Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

Hi,

Ron and I have often talked about the name, Extreme Programming, disappearing as it turned into just the way we build software.  It is clear that that is reality in many places and the exact opposite in others.

chet
	
Chet Hendrickson
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> On Dec 4, 2019, at 1:42 PM, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ron!
> 
> Yes I believe Howard could invest *a lot* if he saw a route to growing these practices.
> 
> A couple ideas:
> Agree that this needs a major rebranding. "Safe" sells, "extreme" is a terrible brand for an industry practice. James Gosling, working at Sun got marketing and branding involved and thats why we got the great branding for Java.
> 
> How do we make these ideas cool? Can we get the top tech celebrities advocating and pitching for these ideas? By celebs I mean mainstream tech celebs like Linus Torvalds, some of these guys https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-best-engineers-at-Google-Why <https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-best-engineers-at-Google-Why>
> And also tech business leaders who can influence the CXO crowd.
> 
> 
> Robin Dymond, CST
> Managing Partner, Innovel
> www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net/>
> www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com/>
> Direct: (804) 239-4329
> twitter: @robindymond
> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:17 AM Ron Jeffries <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hi Robin,
> 
> Nice to see you here!
> 
> sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine.
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> is a better address for me, maybe.
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:58 AM, R Dymond <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > 
> > Being in the Scrum camp more than XP, in every CSM I overview in detail TDD, CI, Pairing, Mobbing and Swarming. Also explain that you have to look at XP,  not Scrum for great ideas on how to make great quality software.
> 
> I wish we knew how many CSTs do that. I think what we do know is that even that apparently doesn't work, as your own story below tells.
> > 
> > I am at a loss on how to sell these ideas though. At a client who I started working with Scrum in 2010 I have trained most the staff on Scrum. They have over 1000 developers. We sold a total of 2 XP/TDD immersion courses with a well known XP Coach after strenuous internal marketing from HR and finally a Dev Sr Mgr assigning people to the classes. This same company spends millions per year on dev training and regularly sell out courses on Swift, C++, python, r, react, vmware, AWS, Azure, tensorflow etc. etc. Budget isn't the issue, demand for XP practices training is the struggle.
> > 
> > So in 20 years we still do not have the business case we need to convince developers to widely adopt and spread these ideas.
> 
> It's a puzzlement. I've been talking with Howard Sublett (Scrum Alliance Chief Product Owner, for those who don't know) about the developer problem. He's interested, and I think he'd put some money behind it, but I'm at a loss as to how to effectively help. It's not clear what to do.
> 
> Ah well,
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> 


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