Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"James Grenning" <[email protected]> Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:34:42 -0500
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--=_MailMate_24C47810-40C7-4F61-A799-59B36E84F9CF_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did the manager get their bonus? On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote: > Just recently I worked with a team that achieved 100% line coverage > with a > single gigantic, meaningless test method. It was awesome! > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any >> code >> without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality. >> >> >> I can’t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I’ve seen that policy >> put in >> place and the “quality” that results. I expect many of us here >> have seen >> that disaster. >> >> Mike Bowler >> Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer >> Cell: 905 409-7052 >> www.GargoyleSoftware.com/mike_bowler >> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/mike_bowler> >> www.UnconsciousAgile.com <http://www.unconsciousagile.com/> >> >> Ask about our Certified Scrum Developer (CSD) training classes >> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/training/csd>. In-house and public >> classes available. >> >> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160412): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160412 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --=_MailMate_24C47810-40C7-4F61-A799-59B36E84F9CF_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/xhtml; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p= dir=3D"auto">Did the manager get their bonus?</p> <p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5p= x; padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"B69D90C6-A913-485D-B230-821A349106ED"><div = dir=3D"auto">Just recently I worked with a team that achieved 100% line cov= erage with a single gigantic, meaningless test method. It was awesome!</div= ><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On We= d, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler <<a href=3D"mailto:mbowler@gargoylesof= tware.com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli= d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D= "ltr">Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any c= ode without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality.</div></blockqu= ote><div><br></div>I can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I=E2= =80=99ve seen that policy put in place and the =E2=80=9Cquality=E2=80=9D t= hat results. I expect many of us here have seen that disaster.<br><br><div = dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-= space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><di= v style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D= "word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap= :break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor= d;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-bre= ak:after-white-space"><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255= ,0)">Mike Bowler</span></div><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,2= 55,0)">Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer</span><div><span style=3D"b= ackground-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Cell:=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:905%20409-70= 52" dir=3D"ltr" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">905 409-7052</a></span= ></div><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255= ,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/mike_bowler" target=3D"= _blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">www.GargoyleSoftware.com/mike_bowler</a><br><a h= ref=3D"http://www.unconsciousagile.com/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre= r">www.UnconsciousAgile.com</a></span></font></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:= break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><span style=3D"background-color:rg= ba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255= ,255,255,0)">Ask about our=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/= training/csd" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Certified Scrum Develope= r (CSD) training classes</a>. In-house and public classes available.</span>= </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </p></p></blockquote></div> </div></blockquote> <div style=3D"white-space:normal"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px sol= id #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"> </blockquote></div> </div> </body> </html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160412">View/Reply Online (#160412)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DP= rivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20f= or%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --=_MailMate_24C47810-40C7-4F61-A799-59B36E84F9CF_=--