Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

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These kind of resources have been around for decades in various forms.
They do help the 30% of developers who both care and have the ability to
learn well passively.  There are lots of unmotivated developers just doing
their job,  And there are lots of developers who can only learn effectively
by working with others who already get it.

This is the main reason I like Scrum despite all the shortcomings.  It puts
developers into a position where they are responsible for the results of
their work, not just for doing what a manager tells them to do.  It
includes explicit retrospection to reinforce the responsibility to
improve.  It creates a social structure where team members can learn from
working with each other.  It has more opportunity for effective coaching
than ad hoc or waterfall development.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:36 PM Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev=
[email protected]> wrote:

> There may be many more ways to accomplish this without doing it Scrum way.
> Just a few initial ideas:
>
> 1. Textbooks combined with guided self-study.
> 2. Udemy/Cousera/Youtube video courses.
> 3. Reference cards to be given to new hires ("This is how we do it here").
> 4. Continuous stream of talks at conferences and meetups.
> 5. Magazine articles.
> 6. Study groups.
> 5. A mobile app with references.
>
> What else?
>
> Slava
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 11:42:33 AM PST, George Paci <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/5/19 7:43 AM, Ron Jeffries wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Sale of developer-focused learning is quite difficult:
>
>    1. Takes much more time;
>       2. Costs more;
>       3. Companies often spend less, not more, on dev training.
>
>
> ... we have to reach the developers. This will require a different kind of
> outreach than has worked for Scrum and many other management ideas.
>
> +1e6
>
>
> 
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">These kind of resources have been around for decades in va=
rious forms.=C2=A0 They do help the 30% of developers who both care and hav=
e the ability to learn well passively.=C2=A0 There are lots of unmotivated =
developers just doing their job,=C2=A0 And there are lots of developers who=
 can only learn effectively by working with others who already get it.<div>=
<br></div><div>This is the main reason I like Scrum despite all the shortco=
mings.=C2=A0 It puts developers into a position where they are responsible =
for the results of their work, not just for doing what a manager tells them=
 to do.=C2=A0 It includes explicit retrospection to reinforce the responsib=
ility to improve.=C2=A0 It creates a social structure where team members ca=
n learn from working with each other.=C2=A0 It has more opportunity for eff=
ective coaching than ad hoc or waterfall development.</div><div><br></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:36 PM Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io &lt;imeshev=3D<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:=
13px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">There may be many more ways to accomplish this wi=
thout doing it Scrum way. Just a few initial ideas:<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">1. Textbooks combined with guided self-study.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">2. Udemy/Cousera/Youtube video courses.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">3. Reference cards to be given to new hires (&quot;This is how we=
 do it here&quot;).</div><div dir=3D"ltr">4. Continuous stream of talks at =
conferences and meetups.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">5. Magazine articles.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">6. Study groups.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">5. A mobile app =
with references.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">What =
else?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Slava<br></div><div>=
<br></div>

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                    On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 11:42:33 AM PST, George=
 Paci &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-264376359055926577ydp300bce44yiv9=
095760891"><div>
    <p><br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div>On 12/5/19 7:43 AM, Ron Jeffries wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div>
    [snip]<br clear=3D"none">
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">Sale of
      developer-focused learning is quite difficult:
      <div>
        <ol><ol><li>Takes much more time;</li><li>Costs more;</li><li>Comp=
anies often spend less, not more, on dev
              training.</li></ol></ol>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div>... we have to reach the developers. This will
          require a different kind of outreach than has worked for Scrum
          and many other management ideas.=C2=A0</div>
        <br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p>+1e6</p>
    <p><br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
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