RE: RE: Re[3] GC mailing list [transition]

Thank you!

I would like to proceed with this move.  I'm still working on the logistics at this end.  Please let me know if you have any concerns.

In the absence of concerns (expressed to me in the next day or so), my goal will be to move everything, including subscriber lists and archives, as transparently as possible.  If that turns out not to be possible, you'll hear more.  Clearly the address of the mailing list will change, and the new address will be announced.

There will probably be hiccups in the next week or so ...

Hans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Hoult
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:43 PM
> To: Boehm, Hans
> Cc: Ivan Maidanski; gc-V9/[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Gc] RE: Re[3] GC mailing list [transition]
> 
> I've consulted with the other Dylan people on the mailing list and
> IRC. Everyone thinks it's a fine idea, including our defacto sysadmin,
> prom, who would actually do the initial work (which looks pretty
> minor).
> 
> Note that we already do some hosting and have some special licensing
> for the competing Ravenbrook (nee Harlequin) "Memory Pool System"
> (MPS), which is the native GC for Open Dylan (originally Harlequin
> Dylan). Open Dylan can also use BDWGC, depending on platform/code
> generator. Gwydion Dylan (d2c, originally from CMU) uses BDWGC only.
> 
> We don't see any conflict in helping with both GC systems, but I just
> thought I should disclose that relationship.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Boehm, Hans <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Resurrecting an ancient thread about administrivia …
> >
> >
> >
> > The issue of a host for this mailing list is likely to recur,
> possibly soon.
> > Currently it is still running on the same ancient PC hardware as
> before, and
> > still behind the HP firewall.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that the ideal site would:
> >
> >
> >
> > -          Run mailman, hopefully making it easier to transfer the
> existing
> > state
> >
> > -          Be stable for many years
> >
> > -          Come with a volunteer who knows how to help with moving a
> mailman
> > list
> >
> > -          Not charge us (mostly to avoid dealing with billing
> issues)
> >
> >
> >
> > Does the offer implied below still stand?  Does someone want to
> propose an
> > alternative?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ivan Maidanski [mailto:ivmai-JGs/[email protected]]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:31 PM
> > To: Bruce Hoult
> > Cc: Boehm, Hans; Boehm GC
> > Subject: Re[3] GC mailing list [transition]
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > 23 Dec 2012, 9:16 +13:00 Bruce Hoult <[email protected]>:
> >
> > What's the fundamental problem here?
> >
> >
> >
> > You're using mailman, which is in use on thousands of machines. It
> should be
> > possible to copy it to one of them or set up a new one in no time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe the likes of github or sourceforge are an option, if they run a
> > mailing list service, but if and when such places go bang they tend
> to be
> > impossible to get stuff out of.
> >
> > I guess you are right, unfortunately.
> >
> > Hopefully that won't happen because a lot of people will be
> hurting...
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know how many subscribers there are, but it's not a busy
> list.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe being hosted by one of the many projects that use the GC is a
> good
> > option?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure that, for example, the Dylan Hackers would be happy to. We
> already
> > run our own lists, have good continuity of machine availability over
> the
> > last 14 years, and even just had a release this week :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > There's probably a bigger, more active, project that depends on Boehm
> GC
> >
> > Like gcc, mono...
> >
> > , but we're here and (speaking only for myself at the moment)
> available.
> >
> >
> > I don't mind.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Boehm, Hans <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > The list should be fine again, for now.  With luck, the archives on
> the HP
> > site should even stay up-to-date again.  (I believe the gmane
> archives were
> > always fine.)  But that means it’s once again running on an ancient
> HP Kayak
> > machine, with the web interface inaccessible to anyone outside HP.
> We’re
> > still looking for a long term solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ivan Maidanski [mailto:ivmai-JGs/[email protected]]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:46 AM
> > To: Boehm, Hans
> > Cc: Boehm GC; Petter Urkedal; Andreas Tobler
> > Subject: Re: GC mailing list [transition]
> >
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > No, I don't have any preference/suggestion. We should ask the
> community (if
> > you'll succeed in recovering the list).
> > Would be good if the old and new lists would be represented as a
> single one
> > on gmane.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Regards,
> > Ivan
> >
> > 21 Dec 2012, 19:54 UTC "Boehm, Hans" <[email protected]>:
> >
> > The ancient machine running the GC mailing list appears to be down
> again.
> > We'll try to resurrect it, but in the slightly longer term, we should
> really
> > move the list to someplace that's better maintained, on real
> hardware, etc.
> > Do you have any preferences? As far as I know, github doesn't provide
> a
> > mailing list service, and gmane is only a gateway. Sourceforge does
> seem to
> > provide mailing lists, and I think we still officially have a project
> there.
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
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