Re: Learning a new language every year can be dangerous.

--- In [email protected], Wayne <wayne@...> wrote:
>
> DanHinojosa wrote:
> >
> > So this year I decided to go backwards and not learn a new language
> > but relearn an old language I forgot too much about, C++. I did this
> > because I really want to get into Linux development including its
core.
> >
> > So every language has it's zealots and I know that, and wow are they
> > angry and pious these days. I did a few posts on the C++ usenet group.
> >
> > My first post was: Is pointer programming even necessary?
> >
> > So let me explain the reason for asking. Thinking about it, I thought
> > all programming languages had object variables that hold object
> > references. Ooops, well that's learning for ya. I got the answer with
> > the help of a poster, which is awesome. But some of the responses
> > from other posters are definitely unhelpful. In this case...
> >
> > "It's incredible that you have programmed for 10-15 years and don't
> > know this. "
> > and
> > "It would be a good idea to understand, at least to some rough
> > approximation,
> > what you're attempting to ask about. :-) "
> >
> > Yikes. Just need a little love....
> >
> > So the next post was even better, my question:
> > Is it in the C++ culture to use Dependency Injection/Inversion of
Control?
> >
> > Here it comes...
> >
> > "You are clearly trying to be a smart-ass by using complicated
> > terminology that only few people are acquainted with, clearly on
> > purpose. If you don't want people to think you are a smart-ass,
explain
> > your terminology before using it."
> >
> > Sounds like some one has daddy issues.
> >
> > Now again, it is obvious that there are fan boys for every programming
> > language. I remember listening to a podcast by Dave Thomas where he
> > introduced the idea of learning a new language because the language
> > you are using may not be around and/or maybe you can expand your
> > mental boundaries about how to code by learning new languages. What
> > did Dave get for his revolutionary ideas? Threats! It was on an old
> > AgileToolkit podcast so check out his story. ;)
> >
> > It really is interesting how people behave when it comes to
> > programming knowledge. The smartest people I know are never afraid to
> > use "I don't know" and they always treat people who don't know, with
> > respect. I try to live by that code, I may fail, but I make the
> > greatest effort not to.
> >
> > Just some observations.
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> 
> I found this thread amusing so I looked up your questions on Google. 
> Here's the first.
> 
> http://objectmix.com/c/369520-pointer-programming-even-necessary.html
> 
> I like the way that you characterized the exchange. The first response 
> looks like very thoughtful and helpful. The response you took
offense to 
> was not referring to your lack of C++ knowledge. The poster simply has 
> the opinion that after 10-15 years of programming in any language that 
> someone should have a little better understanding of how computers work 
> and what pointers.
> 
> The second is found here:
> 
>
http://objectmix.com/c/375425-c-culture-use-dependency-injection-inversion-ofcontrol.html
> 
> Yes, one guy did call you a smart-ass but then your question was
kind of 
> terse. You really need to look at it from the other persons view. Here 
> you are asking him to take time out of his busy life to help you. You 
> ask a question that has so little information it probably going to take 
> him 15-20 minutes on Google just to figure out what you're talking 
> about. Then it going to take more time for him to write a response. I 
> probably wouldn't have called you a smart-ass but I would not have 
> answered your question either. I find it hard to put more effort into 
> answering a question than was put into asking it.
> 
> So here's my question. Were you really serious in asking these
questions 
> or just trolling?
>


What? Really? Of course I am serious. 

If I wasn't...My posts would be titled "C++ vs. Java", "Why is C++
wrong about everything", "What IDE should I use" and other inane posts.

As you saw in the post, with other posters who did indeed help me. 
The confusion was mine (I was there to learn after all). I had forgot
that in  C++ the object variables hold object values.