Re: Re: Why are there no good online CS programs?
[email protected] Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC)
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------=_Part_193385_1712756776.1312494519723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregg,=20 You raise some valid issues about academia vs. practicality. That's why I a= sked the reason for wanting a CS program.=20 While I don't think the WGU cu riculu m is perfect, the school itself is to= p notch. It's accredited by a real organization, the same one that accredit= s schools like Unversty of Utah, BYU, Stanford, etc. Many online schools go= a priviate accredidation route, often times by an organization they setup = just for that purpose. For the record, I have no affiliation with WGU.=20 I have no problem with people just getting the degree for the paper if they= have experience to back it up. I know many people that had to drop out of = college for various reasons and are extremely knowledgable on the techie st= uff, but need a degree to get the next job. IMO, this is really a failing o= f the business world when someone with a 25 year old CS degree that's done = nothing with it is more qualified than someone that has spent 25 years prog= ramming but has no degree.=20 Craig=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregg Irwin" <[email protected]>=20 To: "jefflcohen" <[email protected]>=20 Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:41:12 PM=20 Subject: Re: [pragprog] Re: Why are there no good online CS programs?=20 =C2=A0=20 I was going to say the same thing. To Craig's point, there seem to be=20 more specialized options coming on now, because CS is just too=20 generally applied. A recent ACM or IEEE article discussed it, and the=20 notion of who we are and what we do has been debated for decades.=20 Going completely academic or completely vocational are the extremes.=20 I'm reading 'The Design of Design' by Fred Brooks and, like some=20 pattern related thinking, the goal is to distill the constants that=20 can be applied broadly.=20 Anne originally asked about CS degrees, not IT. Maybe the dearth is=20 due to CS being thought of as the road to academia, while most online=20 degrees are--forgive my broad brush--targeted at those who want/need=20 to say they have a degree to help in the job market.=20 --Gregg=20 ------=_Part_193385_1712756776.1312494519723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p><div style="font-family: Arial;font-size: 12pt;color: #000000;"><P>Gregg,</P> <P> </P> <P>You raise some valid issues about academia vs. practicality. That's why I asked the reason for wanting a CS program.</P> <P> </P> <P>While I don't think the WGU curiculum is perfect, the school itself is top notch. It's accredited by a real organization, the same one that accredits schools like Unversty of Utah, BYU, Stanford, etc. Many online schools go a priviate accredidation route, often times by an organization they setup just for that purpose. For the record, I have no affiliation with WGU.</P> <P> </P> <P>I have no problem with people just getting the degree for the paper if they have experience to back it up. I know many people that had to drop out of college for various reasons and are extremely knowledgable on the techie stuff, but need a degree to get the next job. IMO, this is really a failing of the business world when someone with a 25 year old CS degree that's done nothing with it is more qualified than someone that has spent 25 years programming but has no degree.</P> <P> </P> <P>Craig<BR><BR></P> <P> <HR id="zwchr"> </P> <P><B>From: </B>"Gregg Irwin" <[email protected]><BR><B>To: </B>"jefflcohen" <[email protected]><BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:41:12 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [pragprog] Re: Why are there no good online CS programs?<BR><BR> <SPAN> </SPAN> </P> <DIV id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <DIV id="ygrp-msg"> <DIV id="ygrp-text"> <P>I was going to say the same thing. To Craig's point, there seem to be<BR>more specialized options coming on now, because CS is just too<BR>generally applied. A recent ACM or IEEE article discussed it, and the<BR>notion of who we are and what we do has been debated for decades.<BR>Going completely academic or completely vocational are the extremes.<BR>I'm reading 'The Design of Design' by Fred Brooks and, like some<BR>pattern related thinking, the goal is to distill the constants that<BR>can be applied broadly.<BR><BR>Anne originally asked about CS degrees, not IT. Maybe the dearth is<BR>due to CS being thought of as the road to academia, while most online<BR>degrees are--forgive my broad brush--targeted at those who want/need<BR>to say they have a degree to help in the job market.<BR><B R>--Gregg<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV style="HEIGHT: 0px;COLOR: #fff;"></DIV> </div></div></div></p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 10px; white-space: nowrap; color: #666; padding-top: 15px;"> <div> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpragprog%5D%20Re%3A%20Why%20are%20there%20no%20good%20online%20CS%20programs%3F" style="margin-right: 0; padding-right: 0;"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">sender</span></a> | <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpragprog%5D%20Re%3A%20Why%20are%20there%20no%20good%20online%20CS%20programs%3F"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">group</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pragprog/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYjV2cDdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BG1zZ0lkAzEwMjAxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMxMjQ5NDU0MQ--?act=reply&messageNum=10201">Reply <span style="font-weight: 700;">via web post</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pragprog/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNnI0aHB2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMxMjQ5NDU0MQ--" style="font-weight: 700;">Start a New Topic</a> </div> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pragprog/message/10197;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NjN1YzQ4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BG1zZ0lkAzEwMjAxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMxMjQ5NDU0MQR0cGNJZAMxMDE5Nw--">Messages in this topic</a> (<span style="font-weight: 700;">5</span>) </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #e0ecee; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span> <ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;"> <li style="border-right: 1px solid #000; font-weight: 700; display: inline; padding: 0 5px; margin-left: 0;"> <span class="cat"><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pragprog/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZTBvaXRzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEzMTI0OTQ1NDE-?o=6" style="text-decoration: none;">New Members</a></span> <span class="ct" style="color: #ff7900;">2</span> </li> </ul> <div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pragprog;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMW9ucWp2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMxMjQ5NDU0MQ--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a> </div> </div> <div id="ft" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5px; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWZqNmExBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI4Mzg3MDgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3MjA3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzEyNDk0NTQx" style="float: left;"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" height="15" width="137" alt="Yahoo! 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