RE: [AM] Requirements Encapsulation

Joel Karafin <[email protected]> Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:00:05 -0800
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Rick,

I'm in, too.  Special request: Don't skimp on the definitions.  My math
background has made me used to a definitions/axioms/theorem ordering.  And =
I
find that with good semantic grounding, I can usually climb Mount Esoterica=
.
You might start with "Freedom."  No one has mentioned whether it's a
concept, a practice, a book, or a product.

-JCK

-----Original Message-----
From: McGovern, Patrick J [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AM] Requirements Encapsulation


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Rick,

I'll certainly pick up your gauntlet. I'm sure I'm not alone in this group
in my experience that during my career I've been required to pickup some
pretty esoteric subjects simply from reading. There is often a training
budget but it is always limited and if the money isn't the limit then the
time away from productive work is the limitation. So fire away. I'll try to=

wrap my mind around it.

-pjm-
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"did i understand your question, man?" - Bob Dylan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lutowski [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:21 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AM] Requirements Encapsulation
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> Brad Appleton wrote:
> >
> > I hereby throw down a challenge to you to do this without hiding
> > evidence and details behind "you wouldn't understand" and/or "you=20
> > have to pay to take my training first" and make an open and honest=20
> > attempt to illuminate it here on this list in open discussion with=20
> > many other experts with genuine depth and breadth of understanding=20
> > in all the above things.
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> It certainly was not my intent to talk down to anyone or insult
> anyone's intelligence or training, but to paint the picture as=20
> accurately as possible based on my prior experience.  Prior experience=
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> to date has shown that written explanations are necessary but=20
> insufficient to understand Freedom.  A certain amount of face-to-face=20
> and hands-on seem to be required.
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> However, since you threw down the gauntlet, I will do the same and
> challenge the denizens of this list to learn Freedom based on written=20
> explanations in this forum without exposure to the face-to-face=20
> course.  If you all can do this, you will be the first.
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> I have always attributed the past failures to the fact that Freedom
> involves not just new techniques like functionality trees, behavior=20
> tables, and the like, but an entirely new mindset wrt requirements.=20=
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> It is probably fair to say it is a requirements paradigm shift.=20=20
> Paradigm shifts are typically more challenging to wrap one's mind=20
> around than most other types of material.
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> However, I am also willing to concede the failures may strictly lie
> with me.  Perhaps I have simply not found the correct way to present=20
> this material.  If that is the case, I may be the one who learns the=20
> most in this exercise by finding better ways of explaining the=20
> material.  I do hope this turns out to be the case.
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> There is one other thing I will ask of the members of this list.
> Assuming we successfully reach our goal of explaining Freedom so that=20
> you all understand it, I will then ask all of you to give your=20
> assessment of how Freedom might best be used in an agile context or,=20
> if it cannot be, then why.  I would also expect an assessment of=20
> Freedom wrt AM values and principles to result from such a discussion.
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> That is my counter-challenge. Is everyone game?  If not, please speak
> your mind now.
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> --
> Rick Lutowski
> Principal, JReality
> [email protected]
> http://www.jreality.com
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