RE: [AM] Problems ever occur in Agile?
"Gaythorpe, Dagna" <[email protected]> Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:38:40 +0100
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Back in the early '90s ('91 to '96') I used to work for Ernst & Young, who
had their own methodology (Navigator). The documentation filled a 'wardrobe=
'
type cupboard, and the basic course we all got sent on lasted a week.
The very first thing they told us was that no part of the methodology was
required. The second thing was that we should pick out the bits that the
project needed, right down to the lowest level of granularity so, from one
big phase, we might just use one short document or interview type - or
nothing at all. I have been using this approach ever since (although I am
not, and never have been, any sort of project manager. I have successfully
avoided accusations of 'management' so far. <g>)
It has just occurred to me to wonder - was this an early attempt at agility=
?
Or was it just recognition that the clients didn't necessarily appreciate
getting a couple of forests worth of stuff to read and sign off?
Regards,
Dagna
Dagna Gaythorpe
Data Architect
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I know I personally can work around the phase talk if I need to. For years=
I have been ignoring phases and doing what works effectively, long before I=
heard of "agility" or XP.
Nevertheless, propagating the fiction of phases (even just for communicatio=
n
purposes) makes it harder for the uninitiated to see the light. XP is not
just doing all the waterfall phases for a small number of requirements in a=
short period of time. The compression of time provides the freedom to do
what makes sense for each task, even if it means sometimes doing the
standard phases out of order or piecemeal, or skipping some entirely. The
time compression facilitates communication by cooperative learning instead
of by writing documents, modeling to work things out together instead of
producing a model to communicate your design to whoever has to code it,
maintain it, or integrate with it.=20
The fiction of phases not only makes it hard to gain this holistic view, bu=
t
it creates an artificial need for people to specialize in a single phase an=
d
throw their deliverables over the wall to the next set of specialists.
These aritificial walls are difficult barriers to break down after they hav=
e
been constructed in our minds.
I cannot think of anything that makes it harder for my students to
understand agility than the subconscious brainwashing they have been given
with respect to phases throughout their education. I think the same may be=
true of IT managers.=20=20
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Back in the early '90s ('91 to '96') I use=
d to work for Ernst & Young, who had their own methodology (Navigator).=
The documentation filled a 'wardrobe' type cupboard, and the basic course =
we all got sent on lasted a week.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The very first thing they told us was that=
no part of the methodology was required. The second thing was that we shou=
ld pick out the bits that the project needed, right down to the lowest leve=
l of granularity so, from one big phase, we might just use one short docume=
nt or interview type - or nothing at all. I have been using this approach e=
ver since (although I am not, and never have been, any sort of project mana=
ger. I have successfully avoided accusations of 'management' so far. <g&=
gt;)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">It has just occurred to me to wonder - was=
this an early attempt at agility? Or was it just recognition that the clie=
nts didn't necessarily appreciate getting a couple of forests worth of stuf=
f to read and sign off?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dagna</FONT>
</P>
<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Verdana">Dagna Gaythorpe<I></I></FONT><I></I><=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: Steven Gordon [</FONT><A HREF=3D"ma=
ilto:[email protected]"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"A=
rial">mailto:[email protected]</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"A=
rial">] </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I know I personally can work around the ph=
ase talk if I need to. For years I have been ignoring phases and doin=
g what works effectively, long before I heard of "agility" or XP.=
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Nevertheless, propagating the fiction of p=
hases (even just for communication purposes) makes it harder for the uninit=
iated to see the light. XP is not just doing all the waterfall phases=
for a small number of requirements in a short period of time. The co=
mpression of time provides the freedom to do what makes sense for each task=
, even if it means sometimes doing the standard phases out of order or piec=
emeal, or skipping some entirely. The time compression facilitates co=
mmunication by cooperative learning instead of by writing documents, modeli=
ng to work things out together instead of producing a model to communicate =
your design to whoever has to code it, maintain it, or integrate with it. <=
/FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The fiction of phases not only makes it ha=
rd to gain this holistic view, but it creates an artificial need for people=
to specialize in a single phase and throw their deliverables over the wall=
to the next set of specialists. These aritificial walls are difficul=
t barriers to break down after they have been constructed in our minds.</FO=
NT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I cannot think of anything that makes it h=
arder for my students to understand agility than the subconscious brainwash=
ing they have been given with respect to phases throughout their education.=
I think the same may be true of IT managers. </FONT></P>
<FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>
<BR>
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