Re: Roll Your Own Agile?

In the '80's and '90's I worked on two software development teams that I
now would call Agile. Neither team subscribed to any specific framework.
And, I think, we were all ignorant of the Agile Manifesto, Scrum, etc. We
were just great teams that sought the best results possible with the
freedom self-organize in an atmosphere of respect.

I know "roll your own" is possible but my experience is that the people who
succeed don't know they are doing it.

Alan


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Michael Wollin [email protected]
[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote:

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> I wonder what form of project management the Pharaoh's engineers used?
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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Charles Bradley - Professional Scrum Trainer
> and Coach [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <
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> +1 and well said, Adam.
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> I realize that it's hard for anyone to draw a line between something that
> was "clean room" or "cooking from scratch" when it comes to RYOA, but I
> appreciate everyone trying to go with me on this thread.
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> What I've gathered here and elsewhere is that there is not a lot of
> evidence of RYOA (clean room, from scratch) existing, much less widely
> successful.  It seems that the vast majority of (team level) Agile in
> practice is based strongly on one of the well defined approaches -- or at
> least it evolved from one of them.
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> *From:* "Adam Sroka [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <
> [email protected]>
> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Roll Your Own Agile?
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> I think there is a useful distinction between an eclectic method that
> picks and chooses the practices it likes and an evolutionary method that is
> adapted carefully to its context while keeping the knobs turned up on
> certain values and principles.
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> In practice it may be difficult to tell the difference, especially when
> you don’t know the history of how it evolved or the people who evolved it.
> However, I think most experienced coaches can be taught to tell them apart
> pretty quickly.
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> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Eric Gunnerson
> [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <
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> Adam, can you explain why it matters?
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:29 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Roll Your Own Agile?
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> I know Woody and have a great deal of respect for him, but I bet if you
> asked him he would characterize his own approach as an evolution of XP and
> Lean and not as "roll your own..."
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> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015, Michael Wollin [email protected]
> [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I think what naturally (organically) evolved at Hunter Systems under the
> guiding hand of Woody Zuill qualifies. It features some variant of Kanban,
> mob programming, no estimates, and their own status tracking system.
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> > On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Charles Bradley - Professional Scrum
> Trainer and Coach [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> > Has anyone out there in Scrum-land ever seen what you consider to be a
> good RYOA approach work out well for a company? Or is RYOA essentially a
> unicorn?
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