Re: Re: What is agile?
"Michael Wollin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Fri, 4 May 2018 10:06:14 -0700
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--Apple-Mail=_179BC6C6-E2B3-4672-AAA1-D02079580630 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree, Rafael. In my experience, I have not seen promulgating =E2=80=9CAg= ile is a mindset=E2=80=9D produce a tangible result. Not that it can=E2=80= =99t; I just haven=E2=80=99t seen it. I myself fell into the trap of viewin= g Agile as a =E2=80=9Csprit,=E2=80=9D a way of being and acting. That is, u= ntil a voice in my head said. =E2=80=9CYou have much to learn, Grasshopper.= =E2=80=9D This thread started with my sharing the current state of my evolving way of= framing and explaining the essence of this movement to professional people= (assuming some corporate culture awareness) who are not involved with prod= uct development and want to know what I do. I din=E2=80=99t explain that wh= en I posted it and so, for good or bad, inadvertently also caused a branch = conversation about what is Agile. :)=20 > On May 4, 2018, at 4:35 AM, [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <SC= [email protected]> wrote: >=20 > I am also tired of hearing that Agile is a mindset.... or a way of thinki= ng... like it was some kind of religion or a very abstract think. Ok, the v= alues are inspirational, but you also can measure that on practice.=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_179BC6C6-E2B3-4672-AAA1-D02079580630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; font-size: smaller; height: 15px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; width: 75px; } div.ygrp-photo{ background-position: center; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: white; border: 1px solid black; height: 62px; width: 62px; } div.photo-title=20 a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none;=20 } div.attach-table div.attach-row { clear: both; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div { float: left; /* margin: 2px;*/ } p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } div.ygrp-file { width: 30px; valign: middle; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span { font-weight: normal; } div.ygrp-file-title { font-weight: bold; } /* end of attachment style */ --> </style> </head> <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s= pace; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> I agree, Rafael. In my experience, I have not seen promulgating =E2=80=9CAg= ile is a mindset=E2=80=9D produce a tangible result. Not that it can=E2=80= =99t; I just haven=E2=80=99t seen it. I myself fell into the trap of viewin= g Agile as a =E2=80=9Csprit,=E2=80=9D a way of being and acting. That is, u= ntil a voice in my head said. =E2=80=9CYou have much to learn, Grasshopper.= =E2=80=9D<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This thread s= tarted with my sharing the current state of my evolving way of framing and = explaining the essence of this movement to professional people (assuming so= me corporate culture awareness) who are not involved with product developme= nt and want to know what I do. I din=E2=80=99t explain that when I posted i= t and so, for good or bad, inadvertently also caused a branch conversation = about what is Agile. :) <br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote= type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 4, 2018, at 4:35 AM, <a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a> = [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br class= =3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"line-height: 1= ..22em; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; fo= nt-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-sp= acing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; w= hite-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text= -decoration: none;" class=3D"">I am also tired of hearing that Agile is a m= indset.... or a way of thinking... like it was some kind of religion or a v= ery abstract think. 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