Re: Scrum Other

"Dan Greening [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:13:10 -0800
Newsgroups gmane.comp.programming.scrum.general
Message-ID <CAH95UyC1ei5cjojaWUmsCLUzuSasv84L+3GuhXkfy+xq+V3pCQ@mail.gmail.com> 
--000000000000dfae0c057a014719
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Beyond Budgeting seems to be best designed for entities wider than software
engineering departments, and in my experience it is kind of an extended
polemic designed to get finance departments to go back to square one, think
about why they are budgeting, think about adapting rapidly to change, and
make sure they don=E2=80=99t sacrifice profitability goals on the chopping =
board of
finance. Of course, many finance departments need to be shaken out of their
stupor, so this is useful. But it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be =E2=80=9Ca rec=
ipe.=E2=80=9D That would
make sense, since Beyond Budgeting seeks to address whole companies, and
whole companies are widely varying.

Scaling software agility correctly, meaning that you throw out silos of
assigned engineers under specific product budgets, gives you tremendous
opportunity to get budgeting, in software, highly adaptive, too. However,
if your organization is not willing to do that, it will be your first major
barrier to getting an agile budgeting approach to work. I have made this
work. You can see hints of it in a paper I wrote, =E2=80=9CEnterprise Scrum=
:
Scaling Scrum to the Executive Level.=E2=80=9D That cas=C3=A9 study was the=
 largest
early implementation of Scrum@Scale, and S@S lends itself extremely well to
agile budgeting. No surprise, since I tend to be buddy-buddy with finance
departments. (And now that it has a name, I=E2=80=99m a S@S trainer.)

If I got anything wrong, especially regarding Beyond Budgeting, would love
to hear your thoughts.

Really appreciate the mention, Srinivas. Hope all of you, my respected
peers, are doing great.

Dan

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:48 PM Michael Wollin [email protected]
[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> That=E2=80=99s perfect. Please DO share details!!!
>
> On Oct 27, 2018, at 6:37 AM, [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>  we used scrum to archive bank information.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: srinivas chillara [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <
> [email protected]>
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2018 1:28 am
> Subject: Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Scrum Other
>
>
> Not exactly Scrum, but Scrum-ish in approach, is "Beyond budgeting"....
> I'm fairly sure a Danish bank is using this a lot.
>
> Dan Greening is quite knowledgable regarding this... so you can contact
> him and say I said so.
>
> cheers
> Srinivas
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Michael Wollin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <
> [email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Friday, 26 October 2018 10:52 AM
> *Subject:* [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Scrum Other
>
>
> I had a request from someone developing materials for online learning for
> the bank I=E2=80=99m consulting with. She=E2=80=99s looking for examples =
of Scrum use in
> banks outside of IT. I know there=E2=80=99s some buzz about using Scrum i=
n
> marketing but I=E2=80=99m looking for other examples, maybe ones that ban=
k middle
> managers will relate to.
>
> Does anyone have any real world examples I can give her?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>=20
>
--=20
Dan R. Greening =E2=80=94 http://dan.greening.org  http://linkedin.com/in/g=
reening

--000000000000dfae0c057a014719
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable





<head>

<style type=3D"text/css">
<!--

/* start of attachment style */
       .ygrp-photo-title{
         clear: both;
         font-size: smaller;
         height: 15px;
         overflow: hidden;
         text-align: center;
         width: 75px;
       }
       div.ygrp-photo{
         background-position: center;
         background-repeat: no-repeat;
         background-color: white;
         border: 1px solid black;
         height: 62px;
         width: 62px;
       }

       div.photo-title=20
         a,
         div.photo-title a:active,
         div.photo-title a:hover,
         div.photo-title a:visited {
           text-decoration: none;=20
       }

       div.attach-table div.attach-row {
         clear: both;
       }

       div.attach-table div.attach-row div {
         float: left;
         /* margin: 2px;*/
       }

       p {
         clear: both;
         padding: 15px 0 3px 0;
	 overflow: hidden;
       }

       div.ygrp-file {
         width: 30px;
         valign: middle;
       }
       div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a {
         text-decoration: none;
       }

       div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span {
         font-weight: normal;
       }

       div.ygrp-file-title {
         font-weight: bold;
       }
 /* end of attachment style */
        -->
        </style>
        </head>
<html>
<head>
<style type=3D"text/css">
<!--
#ygrp-mkp {
  border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
  font-family: Arial;
  margin: 10px 0;
  padding: 0 10px;
}

#ygrp-mkp hr {
  border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
}

#ygrp-mkp #hd {
  color: #628c2a;
  font-size: 85%;
  font-weight: 700;
  line-height: 122%;
  margin: 10px 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp #ads {
  margin-bottom: 10px;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad {
  padding: 0 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad p {
  margin: 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad a {
  color: #0000ff;
  text-decoration: none;
}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body>



<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

<br><br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->


<div><div dir=3D"auto">Beyond Budgeting seems to be best designed for entit=
ies wider than software engineering departments, and in my experience it is=
 kind of an extended polemic designed to get finance departments to go back=
 to square one, think about why they are budgeting, think about adapting ra=
pidly to change, and make sure they don=E2=80=99t sacrifice profitability g=
oals on the chopping board of finance. Of course, many finance departments =
need to be shaken out of their stupor, so this is useful. But it doesn=E2=
=80=99t seem to be =E2=80=9Ca recipe.=E2=80=9D That would make sense, since=
 Beyond Budgeting seeks to address whole companies, and whole companies are=
 widely varying.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">S=
caling software agility correctly, meaning that you throw out silos of assi=
gned engineers under specific product budgets, gives you tremendous opportu=
nity to get budgeting, in software, highly adaptive, too. However, if your =
organization is not willing to do that, it will be your first major barrier=
 to getting an agile budgeting approach to work. I have made this work. You=
 can see hints of it in a paper I wrote, =E2=80=9CEnterprise Scrum: Scaling=
 Scrum to the Executive Level.=E2=80=9D That cas=C3=A9 study was the larges=
t early implementation of Scrum@Scale, and S@S lends itself extremely well =
to agile budgeting. No surprise, since I tend to be buddy-buddy with financ=
e departments. (And now that it has a name, I=E2=80=99m a S@S trainer.)</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If I got anything wrong, es=
pecially regarding Beyond Budgeting, would love to hear your thoughts.</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Really appreciate the mentio=
n, Srinivas. Hope all of you, my respected peers, are doing great.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dan</div><div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:48 PM Michael Wollin=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [SCRUMDEVEL=
OPMENT] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">SCRUMDEVELO=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">


<u></u>









=20
<div style=3D"background-color:#fff">
<span style=3D"display:none">=C2=A0</span>


<div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033ygrp-mlmsg">
  <div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033ygrp-msg">


    <div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033ygrp-text">
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20
      <p>That=E2=80=99s perfect. Please DO share details!!!<br></p><div><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 27, 2018, at 6:37 AM, <a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [SCRUMDEVELO=
PMENT] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_8=
956668097284799033Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div id=3D"m_895666809728=
4799033ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,helvetica,clea=
n,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"m_89566680=
97284799033ygrp-text" style=3D"font-family:Georgia"><p style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 1em"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">=C2=A0we used scrum to archive ban=
k information.<br><br><br></font></p><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica;font-size:10pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">-----Original Message--=
---<br>From: srinivas chillara<span class=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-con=
verted-space">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email protected]</a><span class=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-c=
onverted-space">=C2=A0</span>[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:SCRUM=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">SCRUMDEVELOPMENT@yahoogroups=
..com</a>&gt;<br>To:<span class=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-spac=
e">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span class=3D"m_8956668097=
284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:SCRUMDEV=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
m</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2018 1:28 am<br>Subject: Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPM=
ENT] Scrum Other<br><br><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652"><div=
><span>=C2=A0</span><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652ygrp-mlmsg=
"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"m_89566=
68097284799033yiv3157250652ygrp-text"><div></div><div style=3D"background-c=
olor:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Aria=
l,&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id=3D"m_8956668=
097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131248"><span></sp=
an></div><div class=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652qtdSeparateBR" id=
=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_13124=
9"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_154031098=
6518_131300">Not exactly Scrum, but Scrum-ish in approach, is &quot;Beyond =
budgeting&quot;.... I&#39;m fairly sure a Danish bank is using this a lot.<=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_=
16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131307"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_895=
6668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131309">Dan Gr=
eening is quite knowledgable regarding this... so you can contact him and s=
ay I said so.</div><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1540310986518_131332"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_89566680=
97284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131333">cheers</div=
><div>Srinivas<br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=
=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yqt5653174767" id=3D"m_89566680972847=
99033yiv3157250652yqt37151"><div class=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv315725065=
2yahoo_quoted" id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
40310986518_131337"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0=
_ym19_1_1540310986518_131336" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quo=
t;,Helvetica,Arial,&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><di=
v id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_1=
31335" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"m=
_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131334" di=
r=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><hr size=3D"1"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b><span class=3D"m_89566680972847990=
33Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>&quot;Michael Wollin<span class=3D"m_=
8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:ya=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span class=3D"=
m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b><span class=3D"m_895666809728479903=
3Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:scrumdevelopment@yah=
oogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span c=
lass=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br clear=
=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span class=
=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>Friday, 26 Oct=
ober 2018 10:52 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Su=
bject:</span></b><span class=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space"=
>=C2=A0</span>[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Scrum Other<br clear=3D"none"></div><div c=
lass=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652y_msg_container" id=3D"m_89566680=
97284799033yiv3157250652yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1540310986518_131386"><br clear=
=3D"none"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652"><div><span>=C2=A0<=
/span><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652ygrp-mlmsg"><div id=3D"m=
_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"m_8956668097284799033=
yiv3157250652ygrp-text"><div>I had a request from someone developing materi=
als for online learning for the bank I=E2=80=99m consulting with. She=E2=80=
=99s looking for examples of Scrum use in banks outside of IT. I know there=
=E2=80=99s some buzz about using Scrum in marketing but I=E2=80=99m looking=
 for other examples, maybe ones that bank middle managers will relate to.<s=
pan class=3D"m_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Does anyone have any real world examples I=
 can give her?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks.<span class=3D"m=
_8956668097284799033Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none">Michael<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><div style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(255,255,255);min-height:0px"></div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yqt5653174767" id=3D"m_895666809=
7284799033yiv3157250652yqt62722"><div style=3D"color:rgb(255,255,255);min-h=
eight:0px"></div></div></div><div class=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv31572506=
52yqt5653174767" id=3D"m_8956668097284799033yiv3157250652yqt77758"></div></=
div></div></div></font></div><div style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1em"><br class=3D=
"m_8956668097284799033webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(255,255,255);height:0px"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></di=
v><br><p></p>

    </div>
=20=20=20=20=20

=20=20=20=20
    <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0"></div>


</div>



=20=20






</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dan R. Greening =
=E2=80=94=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://dan.greening.org" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/dan.greening.org</a><span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"http://linkedin.com/in/greening" target=3D"_blank">http://lin=
kedin.com/in/greening</a></span></div></div></div>




<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

<br>


<br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->


<div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__._,_.___</div>

=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20

=20=20=20=20
    <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"clear:both; margin-top: 10px;">
         <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgroun=
d-color:#E3E3E3;">
         Posted by: Dan Greening &lt;[email protected]&gt;         <hr style=
=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;">
    </div>
<!-- Start Recommendations -->
<!-- End Recommendations -->


<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

<br><br>
<tt>
To Post a message, send it to:&nbsp;&nbsp; [email protected]<BR>
To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: SCRUMDEVELOPMENT-unsubscribe@eGrou=
ps.com</tt>
<br><br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->



<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

  <img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97476590/grpId=3D1569064/grpspI=
d=3D1705007709/msgId=3D58834/stime=3D1541520852" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"> =
<br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->

=20=20
<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

<br>



=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20
=20
        <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
        <div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-fam=
ily: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;">

        <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-tr=
ansform: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCRUMD=
EVELOPMENT/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlc2plaWU3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQE=
Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTU0MTUyMDg1Mg--" s=
tyle=3D"text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span>

     <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in=
line;">
                                                    </ul>
  </div>


<div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p=
x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;">
  <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkNGU1ODkyBF9TAzk3ND=
c2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd=
GltZQMxNTQxNTIwODUy" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r=
u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" height=3D"15"=
 width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! Groups" style=3D"border: 0;"/></a>
  <div style=3D"color: #747575; float: right;"> &bull; <a href=3D"https://i=
nfo.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html" style=3D"text-decoratio=
n: none;">Privacy</a> &bull; <a href=3D"mailto:SCRUMDEVELOPMENT-unsubscribe=
@yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Un=
subscribe</a> &bull; <a href=3D"https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/=
terms/" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Terms of Use</a> </div>
</div>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->

  </div> <!-- ygrp-msg -->

=20=20=20


  <br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->


<div style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__,_._,___</div>
</body>

</html>

--000000000000dfae0c057a014719--