Re: is SIP an Emergent Property
Dossy <[email protected]> Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:50:29 -0500
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On 2003.01.20, =?iso-8859-1?q?Dierk_K=F6nig_ <[email protected]> wrote: > I've seen [...craftpersons...] performing in a way they cannot repeat, > but still based on amazing skills, experience and wisdom acquired over > numerous years. If they couldn't repeat it, then it's still luck. The fact that these people have the experience and wisdom generally implies that the level of ability or quality of their performance is predictable and repeatable. I've seen programmers get code to pass tests "by luck" but I wouldn't consider them skilled programmers necessarily because their performance passes all the tests. They're skilled because they can consistently write code that makes tests pass intentionally. My point? Dan might have applied bookkeeping to a specific domain (construction, lets say) and it subjectively appeared to him that it was a remarkable thing. However, unless he can apply it in some consistent fashion, I'd assert that either he was wrong, or if he was right, it was just luck. If he can apply it repeatedly with consistent (expected) results, then communicating how it works should simply be a matter of keeping a journal (not the bookkeeping kind, of course -- no pun intended) and publishing it. Simply a "day in the life of a bookkeeper" type of thing where he documents everything he does and how he does it, step by step, so that you, I, or Ron Jeffries could do it as well. We won't necessarily understand what we're doing or why we're doing it, but given the instructions to follow (like the CPU processing opcodes) we would "be" Dan Palanza, doing what he does. After enough repetition and time passing, we might begin to understand deeper reasons for doing what we're doing and then we've learned something. Then, since we're intelligent people, we could use what we've learned in the past and what we've just learned to synthesize new ideas, and change the behavior to suit our individual specific needs. The fact that Dan has yet to produce something so trivially simple as a journal of his specific, exact activities, suggests to me that he's either intentionally hiding something, or he's outright lying and isn't even doing it himself, that's why there is no process to document. Sadly, I can't see how this is even remotely on-topic for the SIP folks here, but maybe someone can draw a connection. If you can't, please reply offline directly. Thanks. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara mail: [email protected] Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/ "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Turn flat surfaces into speakers with the Soundbug. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QWAVSC/onCFAA/xGHJAA/NhFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/