RE: Examples of Pojo Free Code?

Agreed. I was asking Mark
On Apr 13, 2014 7:14 PM, "Donaldson, John" <[email protected]> wrote:

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>  Avi,
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> Not sure if your question was to me, or to Mark.
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> If it was intended for me, then POJOs are wonderful, but you will in any
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> With an ORM this is part of the framework - but if you roll your own,
> you'll need to construct it.
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> Of course, YAGNI - but still...
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> John D.
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Avi Kessner
> *Sent:* 13 April 2014 14:34
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [TDD] Examples of Pojo Free Code?
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>  Sorry for my ignorance, but google didn't help me.
> Whats the problem with using POJOs?
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> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Donaldson, John <[email protected]>
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> Mark,
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> I am pretty much in agreement with you. (Struggling with a legacy Toplink
> app at the moment, Hibernate before that).
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> But, don't forget that an ORM framework is also providing you with other
> useful stuff around sessions, multi-user access,
> one-many/many-one/many-many mappings, error handling, transactions and so
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> John D.
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark Levison
> *Sent:* 11 April 2014 19:50
> *To:* Testdrivendevelopment
> *Subject:* [TDD] Examples of Pojo Free Code?
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>   I'm running an Agile Development course with some wonderful people at a
> client who're addicted to their existing ORM. We've been discussing the
> evil involved in Data Classes (i.e. classes with no behaviour). In their
> world the habit of creating data classes comes from the fact that their ORM
> (Hibernate and JPA) creates POJO type objects and they manipulate them.
> They get the problem but would live to see an example of project that
> doesn't do this.
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> Do you know an OpenSource project that doesn't a use POJOs to get its data
> in/out of an RDBMS? Do you know an ORM that helps people avoid creating
> Data Classes?
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> BTW I'm asking on this list lacking a better place.
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> Cheers
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> Mark
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