Re: Experience with Advanced TDD courses delivered on-site?

"Steve Smith [email protected] [testdrivendevelopment]" <[email protected]> Tue, 9 Dec 2014 15:36:08 -0500
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My employer, Falafel Software, also does quite a bit with testing and
training.  We have experts in unit testing and writing testable code, as
well as instructors familiar with UI tests using a variety of free and
commercial tools for this purpose.  I'd love to come onsite to help, but my
wife is expecting twins in late February so I expect she won't be quite
ready for me to travel in April (though I would be available via webinar).

Feel free to reach out if you're interested, though it sounds like there's
certainly a wealth of qualified instructors on this thread already:
[email protected]

Cheers and good luck,
Steve


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Mark Waite [email protected]
[testdrivendevelopment] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Ron, our intent is to teach 4 sessions of 15 people each.  At least that's
> how we envision it working so that the sessions can be code intensive
> instead of lecture intensive.
>
> Is there an outline of the CSD courses which you and Chet teach so that I
> could look at them to see if they might address (or be customized) to the
> test driven development challenges we're seeing?
>
> Some of the challenges we've seen have been
>
>    - Database interactions - how to handle database schema version
>    history, database volumes, and database operations
>    - Multi-component interaction tests (techniques to rapidly restore
>    stateful components, etc.)
>    - User interface driven tests (when to use them, when to avoid them,
>    techniques for managing their brittleness)
>    - Performance or throughput related tests
>
> Mark Waite
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Ron Jeffries [email protected]
> [testdrivendevelopment] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mark, just a thought ...
>>
>> I would think that a TDD course would be about programming. Certainly
>> mine would, with developers working in pairs.
>>
>> I’d be reviewing the team’s code after frequent iterations, answering
>> questions, and so on. I don’t see how I could possibly provide value to 60
>> people at once.
>>
>> Generally Chet and I limit our CSD courses to 24.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Mark Waite [email protected]
>> [testdrivendevelopment] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> As part of that improvement effort, we'd like to have a 2-3 day on-site
>> Advanced Test Driven Development course in April 2015 for about 60 people.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Jeffries
>> www.XProgramming.com
>> You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough.
>> -- William Blake
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks!
> Mark Waite
>
>  
>



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