Re: [testdrivendevelopment] "I think the community needs more explicit direction...."

Steve (et al)
So here is the real question I have
I've gotten older, and it seems out of touch with a lot of the younger=20
developers

I was brought in to mentor them on this stuff, refactoring, TDD etc (and=
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of course get out code, setup CD/CI etc etc - of course all at the same=20
time ASAP)

How do you mentor 20 somethings when they won't READ, even short stuff

I tried to get them interested in "Brownfield Development" - Or=20
Feathers, etc - and even when you hand them something as small as a=20
partial chapter, or a simple write-up, you get blown off that they don't=
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read (and this is management, as well as the Jr developers)

I've noticed at the last couple of places.  One place - Give them the=20
basic instructions for GIT/TortoiseGIT, no one can be bothered to read=20
it, and one culprit (the CEO no less) would cowboy code, have it on his=20
PC, not in any source control, and yell when you can't get things to=20
work (the only semi working copy of the web site source was on his=20
laptop)

I don't understand how to get through to these folks anymore

Trying to get them to understand WHY you TDD - Why you can't get CI/CD=20
setup on a legacy project in a week (all manual builds off a developers=20
PC, with no tests run, even though there were tests)



On 2019-11-24 19:49, Steven Smith wrote:
> Autocorrect: yeah->teach
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>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 19:48, Steven Smith via Groups.Io=20
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> =EF=BB=BFI yeah refactoring a lot, and I think practice helps (shocking=
, I=20
>> know). I include it in my workshops as well as in free resources on my=
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>> github (https://github.com/ardalis/kata-catalog). I also have three=20
>> different Pluralsight courses on refactoring, including the monster 8=
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>> hour course Refactoring Fundamentals. Anyone can access these with a=20
>> trial account and most enterprise shops I talk to have subscriptions=20
>> for their folks.
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>> But to JB=E2=80=99s point, I do think it=E2=80=99s a part of TDD that n=
ewer devs lack=20
>> confidence and probably skill to perform, at least until they gain=20
>> experience with it.
>>=20
>> Steve

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