Re: [testdrivendevelopment] We are back on the air!
"Ken Chien" <[email protected]> Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:29:44 -0500
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--0000000000002e1103059986c53a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I also like the diagram in GOOS, page 42, where the authors add an additional step, right after "write a failing test": "Make the diagnostics clear." On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 AM Roy Osherove <[email protected]> wrote: > Yup! > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:05 AM Avi Kessner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Is this the diagram you wanted to share? >> >> >> https://osherove.com/blog/2019/11/12/an-updated-diagram-of-the-tdd-process-from-the-upcoming-3rd-edition-of-art-of-unit-testing >> >> I would recommend making a box which is part of the flow rather than some >> external dotted lines. For example, maybe the box should read, " Apply >> SOLID principles" as part of the refactoring, and then before the next >> failing test have something like, "design the contract" >> >> I think the community needs more explicit direction on the design being >> done in those phases. >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 16:44 J. B. Rainsberger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:27 AM Roy Osherove <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Awesome. I sent a new thread to the group about tdd diagrams. Was it >>>> received? >>>> >>> >>> Maybe. >>> >>> If you sent it to the Yahoo! group, then no. >>> >>> Please try again--at least until we figure out the transition. :) I want >>> to see it! >>> -- >>> J. B. (Joe) Rainsberger :: https://tdd.training :: http://www.jbrains.ca >>> :: http://www.thecodewhisperer.com >>> >>> > > -- > Thanks, > > Roy Osherove > > http://osherove.com > http://elasticleadership.com > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35817): https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/message/35817 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/54161080/3268755 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/744556386/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --0000000000002e1103059986c53a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I also like the diagram in GOOS, page 42, where the author= s add an additional step, right after "write a failing test": &qu= ot;Make the diagnostics clear."<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote= "><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 AM Roy= Osherove <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir= =3D"ltr">Yup!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:05 AM Avi Kessner <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wr= ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px= 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D= "auto">Is this the diagram you wanted to share?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>= <div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://osherove.com/blog/2019/11/12/an-update= d-diagram-of-the-tdd-process-from-the-upcoming-3rd-edition-of-art-of-unit-t= esting" target=3D"_blank">https://osherove.com/blog/2019/11/12/an-updated-d= iagram-of-the-tdd-process-from-the-upcoming-3rd-edition-of-art-of-unit-test= ing</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would reco= mmend making a box which is part of the flow rather than some external dott= ed lines. For example, maybe the box should read, " Apply SOLID princi= ples" as part of the refactoring, and then before the next failing tes= t have something like, "design the contract"</div><div dir=3D"aut= o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think the community needs more explicit di= rection on the design being done in those phases.</div></div><br><div class= = =3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 13, 201= 9, 16:44 J. B. Rainsberger <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targ= et=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas= s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r= gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:27 AM R= oy Osherove <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ= et=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><bl= ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef= t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Aweso= me.=C2=A0 I sent a new thread to the group about tdd diagrams.=C2=A0 Was it= received?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe.</div><div><br= ></div><div>If you sent it to the Yahoo! group, then no.</div><div><br></di= v><div>Please try again--at least until we figure out the transition. :) I = want to see it!</div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>J.= B. (Joe) Rainsberger :: <a href=3D"https://tdd.training" rel=3D"noreferrer= " target=3D"_blank">https://tdd.training</a> :: <span><a href=3D"http://www= .jbrains.ca" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.jbrains.ca</a>= :: <a href=3D"http://www.thecodewhisperer.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">http://www.thecodewhisperer.com</a></span></div><div><br></div= ></div></div></div> </blockquote></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><= div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr= "><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br><br>Roy Osherove<br><br><div><div><a hre= f=3D"http://osherove.com" target=3D"_blank">http://osherove.com</a></div><d= iv><a href=3D"http://elasticleadership.com" target=3D"_blank">http://elasti= cleadership.com</a><br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></= div></div></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/mes= sage/35817">View/Reply Online (#35817)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subj= ect=3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20We%20are%20back%20on%20th= e%20air%21">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPr= ivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20We%20are%20back%20on%2= 0the%20air%21">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/54161080/3268755">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/post">New Topic</a>= <br> <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/editsub/3268755">Your= Subscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Own= er</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/7445563= 86/xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --0000000000002e1103059986c53a--