Re: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer
miguel de sousa <migdesousa-/[email protected]> Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:17:32 +0000 (GMT)
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--oKkWRGcaFGFQvKMcozWeAROP7GFbOpNje5dIc77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Can ASP render a page back as a string. Absolutely! Its call Response.Write, just pipe it out to whatever channel you like :) Regards, Miguel de Sousa ________________________________ From: Phlip <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Friday, 12 June, 2009 13:48:10 Subject: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer John Overbaugh wrote: > I'm not sure this answers my question. What I'm looking for are 1) best > practices around unit testing the presentation layer Unit testing the presentation layer should treat the test targets the same as any other layer would test them. In web programming, a web page is a big string. If you had a business-layer module that produced a big string, you would _unit_ test it by parsing the string back using the same tools as generated it. Testing thru-the-server AND thru-the-browser is slow and fragile. Only do it _after_ you can TDD the source directly, because that's where most development should happen. > and 2) ideas around > headless testing within the presentation layer (if it's at all > possible). I am quite familiar with Selenium, WatiN, etc.and how to use > them even against Ajax (which is, I believe, what your offering). I'm > trying to take it to the next level and create a good, reliable, > headless unit test for my dev team (if it can be done). Again: Can ASP render a page back as a string, ready to be parsed? If not, then ask MS why. The answer is probably inexcusable vendor lock-in. -- Phlip [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --oKkWRGcaFGFQvKMcozWeAROP7GFbOpNje5dIc77 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <br><br> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--> <p>Re: Can ASP render a page back as a string.<br> Absolutely! Its call Response.Write, just pipe it out to whatever channel you like :)<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Miguel de Sousa<br> <br> ____________<wbr>_________<wbr>_________<wbr>__<br> From: Phlip <<a href="mailto:phlip2005%40gmail.com">phlip2005@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br> To: <a href="mailto:agile-testing%40yahoogroups.com">agile-testing@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>; <a href="mailto:testfirstuserinterfaces%40yahoogroups.com">testfirstuserinterf<wbr>aces@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a><br> Sent: Friday, 12 June, 2009 13:48:10<br> Subject: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer<br> <br> John Overbaugh wrote:<br> <br> > I'm not sure this answers my question. What I'm looking for are 1) best <br> > practices around unit testing the presentation layer<br> <br> Unit testing the presentation layer should treat the test targets the same as <br> any other layer would test them. In web programming, a web page is a big string. <br> If you had a business-layer module that produced a big string, you would _unit_ <br> test it by parsing the string back using the same tools as generated it.<br> <br> Testing thru-the-server AND thru-the-browser is slow and fragile. Only do it <br> _after_ you can TDD the source directly, because that's where most development <br> should happen.<br> <br> > and 2) ideas around<br> > headless testing within the presentation layer (if it's at all <br> > possible). I am quite familiar with Selenium, WatiN, etc.and how to use <br> > them even against Ajax (which is, I believe, what your offering). I'm <br> > trying to take it to the next level and create a good, reliable, <br> > headless unit test for my dev team (if it can be done).<br> <br> Again: Can ASP render a page back as a string, ready to be parsed? If not, then <br> ask MS why. 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