Re: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer

miguel de sousa <migdesousa-/[email protected]> Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:17:32 +0000 (GMT)
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Re: Can ASP render a page back as a string.
Absolutely! Its call Response.Write, just pipe it out to whatever channel you like :)

Regards,

Miguel de Sousa




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From: Phlip <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 12 June, 2009 13:48:10
Subject: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer





John Overbaugh wrote:

> I'm not sure this answers my question. What I'm looking for are 1) best 
> practices around unit testing the presentation layer

Unit testing the presentation layer should treat the test targets the same as 
any other layer would test them. In web programming, a web page is a big string. 
If you had a business-layer module that produced a big string, you would _unit_ 
test it by parsing the string back using the same tools as generated it.

Testing thru-the-server AND thru-the-browser is slow and fragile. Only do it 
_after_ you can TDD the source directly, because that's where most development 
should happen.

> and 2) ideas around
> headless testing within the presentation layer (if it's at all 
> possible). I am quite familiar with Selenium, WatiN, etc.and how to use 
> them even against Ajax (which is, I believe, what your offering). I'm 
> trying to take it to the next level and create a good, reliable, 
> headless unit test for my dev team (if it can be done).

Again: Can ASP render a page back as a string, ready to be parsed? If not, then 
ask MS why. The answer is probably inexcusable vendor lock-in.

-- 
Phlip

   


      

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      <p>Re: Can ASP render a page back as a string.<br>
Absolutely! Its call Response.Write, just pipe it out to whatever channel you like :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Miguel de Sousa<br>
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From: Phlip &lt;<a href="mailto:phlip2005%40gmail.com">phlip2005@gmail.<wbr>com</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:agile-testing%40yahoogroups.com">agile-testing@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>; <a href="mailto:testfirstuserinterfaces%40yahoogroups.com">testfirstuserinterf<wbr>aces@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a><br>
Sent: Friday, 12 June, 2009 13:48:10<br>
Subject: [TFUI] Re: [agile-testing] Unit Testing the Presentation Layer<br>
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John Overbaugh wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I'm not sure this answers my question. What I'm looking for are 1) best <br>
&gt; practices around unit testing the presentation layer<br>
<br>
Unit testing the presentation layer should treat the test targets the same as <br>
any other layer would test them. In web programming, a web page is a big string. <br>
If you had a business-layer module that produced a big string, you would _unit_ <br>
test it by parsing the string back using the same tools as generated it.<br>
<br>
Testing thru-the-server AND thru-the-browser is slow and fragile. Only do it <br>
_after_ you can TDD the source directly, because that's where most development <br>
should happen.<br>
<br>
&gt; and 2) ideas around<br>
&gt; headless testing within the presentation layer (if it's at all <br>
&gt; possible). I am quite familiar with Selenium, WatiN, etc.and how to use <br>
&gt; them even against Ajax (which is, I believe, what your offering). I'm <br>
&gt; trying to take it to the next level and create a good, reliable, <br>
&gt; headless unit test for my dev team (if it can be done).<br>
<br>
Again: Can ASP render a page back as a string, ready to be parsed? If not, then <br>
ask MS why. The answer is probably inexcusable vendor lock-in.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Phlip<br>
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