Re: Disgruntled would-be user

Dear Magnus,

As someone who has followed this project, I feel for you.  Its always
nice receiving a pleasant email thanking you for your work on an OSS
project.  Its terrible receiving something as lousy as this.  Most of
us never receive a post thats this mean and downright stupid.

I think you are taking this character a little too seriously.  Is this
persons opinion of any importance to you?  Everyone on the face of
this planet has an opinion.  Only few of them really matter to you.
Everyone in this community appreciates your work and the goals you
seek to achieve with this project.  Then again if someone's opinion
does matter to you, they would never say things the way this person
did.

This character is a troll, quite out of his/her mind and really has
nothing sensible to say.  If the person was worth his/her salt he/she
have chosen to help with the project.  You are not obliged to anyone.
Its evident that the person understands little of the "Linux
community" and how it works.  You did not claim to create something in
a year that something substantial would result.  You certainly did not
intrude on anyone, you (along with many others) tried to do something
really cool.  So you can't be "condemmend and ostrisized" (the moron
can't spell!).  Hmm, perhaps he really means "commended".  The person
also does not know what ostracized means.  Unless of course you are to
be ostracized from the person's community, which would be a blessing.

So, here is a person who is evidently in anger (and therefore behaves
like a complete jackass), can't spell, is incompetent to help with the
project and is stupid enough to hurt the person who tried to the make
the world a better place.  Do you really value the opinion of such a
person?

The post is best ignored.  Its simply not worth it.  Essentially,
don't worry about trolls, you (and we) know you have done the best you
can for a community.  So as Laura best put it "to hell with this
moron."  Keep up the cool ideas and great work.

cheers,
prabhu

p.s. I was surprised by the small print in the Atox announcement.  I
now understand the reason.

>>>>> "MLH" == Magnus Lie Hetland <[email protected]> writes:

    MLH> Laura Creighton <[email protected]>:
    >>
    MLH> [snip]
    >> MLH, what you have demonstrated, at worst-best is the courage
    >> to fail.

    MLH> Or just youthful exuberance and enthusiasm... or something ;)

    >> You think that this is a still live project, and I think that
    >> it has failed,

    MLH> Well... I think it deserves the necessary work to get a 0.2
    MLH> release out the door -- all the work that went into the new
    MLH> architecture ought to be able to crawl out of CVS.

    MLH> On the other hand: The project does not seem as "live" as it
    MLH> did to me originally. I guess one of the reasons I'm still
    MLH> motivated to work on it is guilt about the sort of issues
    MLH> raised by our complaining would-be user here. Not sure
    MLH> whether getting a release will really help anyone there,
    MLH> though.

    >> and you all got my reasons as to why I think it has, as to why
    >> it has none of my current attention.

    MLH> Right.

    >> What you did not get was what a pleasure and an honour it was
    >> to participate with you all on the bits that did work.  I
    >> learned a ton!  I now know exactly why weakrefs work, and use
    >> them in my work all the time.

    MLH> Thanks! I've learned a lot too. (Among other things, I've
    MLH> used a very explicit disclaimer about future support in
    MLH> describing my Atox project, in the hope that I won't get into
    MLH> a situation like this again.)

    >> to hell with this moron.

    MLH> BTW, I wonderd a bit about what position this Sheltchin
    MLH> person had in the Open Source community, and all I could find
    MLH> was this:

    MLH>   http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9768868~mode=flat

    MLH> Basically a complaint about some changes made by his ISP. The
    MLH> last sentence was quite enlightening:

    MLH>   So after loosing a day of work notifying my customers that
    MLH>   there may be a problem, wasting time with them on the phone
    MLH>   as they routed me through all of the people who didn't
    MLH>   understand, and opening other email accounts with another
    MLH>   ISP - I am reduced to writing hate mail since they don't
    MLH>   give a darn.

    MLH> So writing hate mail seems to be a legitimate course of
    MLH> action to him.  Oh, well.

    >> creativity is best fostered in environments where it can take
    >> the risk of failing.

    MLH> Indeed.

    >> being pleasurable to the peanut gallery, and being admired, is
    >> of secondary importance.

    MLH> I guess soo. But some of us (i.e. me) are, perhaps, a bit too
    MLH> hung up on being liked -- or at least not being strongly
    MLH> disliked. But this is all a learning experience, I suppose.

    >> Laura

    MLH> -- Magnus Lie Hetland "Oppression and harassment is a small
    MLH> price to pay http://hetland.org to live in the land of the
    MLH> free."  -- C. M. Burns




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