Re: Building plans .....
Barry Scott <[email protected]> Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:28:29 +0000
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--===============8152324037128586578== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1388EF0-1972-47CE-9C4F-E3DBE34D8701" --Apple-Mail=_C1388EF0-1972-47CE-9C4F-E3DBE34D8701 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 16 Mar 2020, at 22:54, Jack Jansen <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> but "conda" is a package management tool, a bit like yum or apt in = the Linux world, or Brew, for that matter. except that: >>=20 >> * It is platform independent -- it attempts to work the same way on = all all platforms to the degree possible. >> * It provides management of isolated "environments", so you can have = a different collection of software and libraries, all with a different = combination of version on the same system, isolated from one another. >=20 >=20 > So how does conda handle things that must be installed in = =E2=80=9Cspecial=E2=80=9D locations on some platforms? For example, if = you install some package that contains a kernel driver, undoubtedly on = windows this=E2=80=99ll have to go somewhere deep down in c:\system32 or = something. Does this force the use of conda on macOS python users? Or is it just asking for a build option that is conda friendly? I have been happy use the python.org <http://python.org/> builds and = py2app + PyQt5. Barry >=20 > Because in a way Python on the mac (if you want to use a = framework/app/bundle Python) is like that: it has some platform-specific = installation requirements (that bits of it go into /Library/Frameworks = and other bits in /Application), and in the end you setup a few symlinks = in the conda bin directory (or the conda per-environment bin directory, = or however that works) and for a conda user the situation will be = exactly the same on Mac as on Linux=E2=80=A6.. > -- > Jack Jansen, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, = http://www.cwi.nl/~jack <http://www.cwi.nl/~jack> > If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma = Goldman >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig > unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG --Apple-Mail=_C1388EF0-1972-47CE-9C4F-E3DBE34D8701 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On = 16 Mar 2020, at 22:54, Jack Jansen <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">but "conda" is a package management = tool, a bit like yum or apt in the Linux world, or Brew, for that = matter. except that:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">* It is platform independent -- it attempts to work the same = way on all all platforms to the degree possible.</div><div class=3D"">* = It provides management of isolated "environments", so you can have a = different collection of software and libraries, all with a different = combination of version on the same system, isolated from one = another.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">So how does = conda handle things that must be installed in =E2=80=9Cspecial=E2=80=9D = locations on some platforms? For example, if you install some package = that contains a kernel driver, undoubtedly on windows this=E2=80=99ll = have to go somewhere deep down in c:\system32 or = something.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>Does this force the use of conda on macOS python = users?</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Or is it just asking for a = build option that is conda friendly?</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>I= have been happy use the <a href=3D"http://python.org" = class=3D"">python.org</a> builds and py2app + PyQt5.</div><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>Barry</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br = class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Because in a way Python on the mac (if = you want to use a framework/app/bundle Python) is like that: it has some = platform-specific installation requirements (that bits of it go into = /Library/Frameworks and other bits in /Application), and in the end you = setup a few symlinks in the conda bin directory (or the conda = per-environment bin directory, or however that works) and for a conda = user the situation will be exactly the same on Mac as on = Linux=E2=80=A6..</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; = font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: = 0px;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: = normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; " = class=3D"">--</font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: normal normal normal = 12px/normal Helvetica; " class=3D"">Jack Jansen, <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>>, = <a href=3D"http://www.cwi.nl/~jack" = class=3D"">http://www.cwi.nl/~jack</a></font></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: = normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; " class=3D"">If I can't = dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma = Goldman</font></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br class=3D""></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">Pythonmac-SIG maillist - <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig" = class=3D"">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig</a><br = class=3D"">unsubscribe: = https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG<br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_C1388EF0-1972-47CE-9C4F-E3DBE34D8701-- --===============8152324037128586578== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG --===============8152324037128586578==--