Re: Archive this list & redirect conversation elsewhere?

Jeremy Stanley <[email protected]> Thu, 30 Jul 2020 12:16:17 +0000
Newsgroups	gmane.comp.python.distutils.devel
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On 2020-07-29 22:51:37 -0400 (-0400), Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
[...]
> Jeremy, I'm not sure whether you were serious? If your
> disappointment is only out of nostalgia, then yeah, accepting
> change makes sense. But if your disappointment is because the
> Discourse experience is/will be worse for your participation, then
> it's totally fine to speak up and tell us how.
[...]

Robert also pretty accurately described my challenges with
Discourse, so I won't bother reiterating his points. I skim a good
1k mailing list messages daily across dozens of other communities
and reply with the press of a key; mailing lists make that workflow
easy compared conversation scattered between lots of different Web
forum sites with mediocre SMTP notification and response, poor
context quoting, et cetera. And I'm the sort of luddite who still
laments that many of these communities didn't stick with Usenet, but
remembering how the spam problem there got so out of control at a
time before we had reasonable technologies to deal with it, I don't
begrudge anyone the decision to abandon it.

Basically I've come to accept that most of the Python packaging
discussions lately have occurred entirely in a place where I've been
unable to follow them and reply easily, and that seems to be the
consensus choice of the Python community so I won't ask others to
cater to my outmoded workflows nor to necessarily value the fluid
sorts of cross-community participation they used to enable. It means
that my voice won't be included often, if ever, and that I'll be
less likely to find out tidbits like Setuptools 20.3 in October
turning on the new dep solver (and that the many projects I'm
involved in ought to test it and follow up with bug reports before
they begin to impact our users). Still, there are plenty of other
places I can spend my time and effort more effectively, so I'm not
particularly bitter about it.

> What if we bridged them, instead? Barry Warsaw in
> https://discuss.python.org/t/disappointed-and-overwhelmed-by-discourse/982/15
> suggested:
> 
> > My ultimate dream would be to add an IMAP and/or NNTP interface
> > directly to [Mailman 3/HyperKitty]. Then I could use my normal
> > mail application to catch up and interact with Mailman lists in
> > a very lightweight way, driven entirely by my own workflow. That
> > plus a Discourse bridge would be a pretty powerful and flexible
> > combination.
> 
> Is that something that other folks here who have trouble with
> Discourse would find fruitful? If so, we can start pushing to make
> it happen.

The idea there wasn't particularly fleshed-out so it's hard to say.
I'm assuming he meant a mechanism for mirroring/proxying
conversations between Discourse and MM3; if so then, yes, that might
help but there's really no way to know without a working prototype.
It also sounds like rather a lot of work and I'm certainly not going
to ask anyone else to expend effort just to cater to my personal
workflows. Discourse is not to my taste, but de gustibus non est
disputandum.
-- 
Jeremy Stanley

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