[Python.NET] Re: Working group notes for November 5, 2020
Victor “LOST” Milovanov <[email protected]> Thu, 19 Nov 2020 18:28:26 -0800
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--></style></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3D"#954F72"><div cla=
ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Manu,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please, take a look at <a href=3D"ht=
tps://github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet/issues/857">https://github.com/pythonn=
et/pythonnet/issues/857</a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p=
class=3DMsoNormal>Benedikt is currently working on it. I=E2=80=99ll send y=
ou his email separately.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>Regards,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Victor</p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:=
none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:m=
[email protected]">Emmanuel Rutovic</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, November 19,=
2020 6:01 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">A list =
for users and developers of Python.NET</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Python.NET] =
Re: Working group notes for November 5, 2020</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks fo=
r the notes and for your work with Pythonnet. Do you need any help with the=
compatibility with .Net Core / .Net 5 ? I have a little bit of time that I=
can spend on this but I don=E2=80=99t know where to start. Who should I co=
ntact ? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal>Manu. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><st=
rong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Emmanue=
l Rutovic</span></strong><span style=3D'color:#222222'><br>Founder, AESIM.t=
ech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#222222'>+1 (438) 926-6458<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Nov 19, 2020 at 1:02:54 PM, Mark Visse=
r <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CC=
CCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><h2 style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:.25=
in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in'><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Attendees: Victor=
, Benedikt, Mark, Amos, Benoit, Felix</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></h2><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>Agenda</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 =
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Igno=
re'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span=
></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
'>Review last week's action items:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;ma=
rgin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1;vertical-align:=
baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'=
font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Felix & Benoit to add t=
ests to master in preparation for the soft reload fix PR - will be ignored =
for now (or expected to fail - ideal if that's possible)<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
2 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig=
nore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><=
![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Victor =
to review these to understand the need for isolated testing environment for=
each test<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-in=
dent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !support=
Lists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><spa=
n style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roma=
n"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:black'>discuss soft init/reload/shutdown modes: what are=
the use cases for each? are they all necessary? need to document if so. (B=
enoit/Felix)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-inden=
t:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLis=
ts]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span s=
tyle=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'=
> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><b><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Notes:</span></b><span styl=
e=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt=
;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:bla=
ck'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-famil=
y:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PR for soft reload tests is failing, hasn=
't run on travis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;t=
ext-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !s=
upportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black'>coverage reported is not accurate<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 =
level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-li=
st:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></s=
pan><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>le=
t's not worry too much about the coverage numbers and try to provide good t=
ests for new features<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;t=
ext-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !s=
upportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-l=
eft:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseli=
ne'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol=
;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0=
pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>build times have gotten slower =
over time due to testing all shutdown modes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertic=
al-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>do we need to run fu=
ll tests for all modes?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:7=
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ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>some of this is likely redundant<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
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mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></sp=
an></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck'>let's remove unnecessary tests from travis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto;margin-left:112.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;ve=
rtical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:Wingdings;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<=
span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>additional run =
for every mode<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;t=
ext-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !s=
upportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black'>github actions?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertic=
al-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>we should keep at le=
ast one version of python testing all shutdown modes<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lf=
o2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore=
'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![en=
dif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>drop everyt=
hing except 3.7 from testing shutdown since that's the version we support i=
n Unity?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-inde=
nt:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLi=
sts]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'=
><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roma=
n"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:black'>still want to catch regressions caused by new Python ve=
rsions (e.g. API changes)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left=
:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'=
><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0p=
t "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>long term we should look at moving fro=
m travis to github actions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-lef=
t:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline=
'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;c=
olor:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt=
"Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'fo=
nt-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Unity shutdown/domain reload is u=
sing reload mode. do we need other two modes? (soft / none)<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-=
margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 le=
vel2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list=
:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></spa=
n><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>we n=
ever use reloading when embedding C# in Python - just kill workers/instance=
s and restart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text=
-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supp=
ortLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:b=
lack'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New=
Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif;color:black'>can we remove soft & none modes? <o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-li=
st:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'=
mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></sp=
an></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck'>what are the use cases for the other two modes?<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo=
2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'=
>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![end=
if]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>reload mode =
requires implementing a customer serializer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto;margin-left:112.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;verti=
cal-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:Wingdings;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<spa=
n style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>for CLR objects<o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-=
alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:112.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black'><span style=
=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </=
span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;=
color:black'>Feilx is working on making the custom serializer optional so i=
t still works without it<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:=
112.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'=
><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings=
;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<span style=3D'font:7.0=
pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>with this update reload won't fail wi=
thout a serializer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:112.8p=
t;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if=
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color=
:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Ti=
mes New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:=
"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>does this make soft mode redundant?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-li=
st:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'=
mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></sp=
an></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck'>there are a lot of places where there are three code paths depending on=
the shutdown mode - can we simplify<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;=
margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-alig=
n:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=
=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>soft mode has no such req=
uirement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-inde=
nt:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLi=
sts]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'=
><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roma=
n"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:black'>none - used for shutting down Python and not restarting=
it - makes no attempt to save state<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;=
margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-alig=
n:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=
=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>soft - does not maintain =
connections between CLR and Python objects, but saves state of Python inter=
preter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent=
:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportList=
s]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><=
span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"=
'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:black'>reload - also maintains connections between CLR and Pytho=
n objects<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-ind=
ent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportL=
ists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black=
'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Rom=
an"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",san=
s-serif;color:black'>all three modes are useful as they facilitate testing =
different parts of the system<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-=
left:112.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;vertical-align:base=
line'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wing=
dings;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=A7<span style=3D'fon=
t:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>e.g. if something fails on only =
one of the modes, it's useful data<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;ma=
rgin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:=
baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'=
font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>currently all tests are run=
with all modes in all versions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margi=
n-left:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:bas=
eline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Sym=
bol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:=
7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Travis problems<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l=
0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-=
list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><=
/span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>=
jobs take forever to start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-lef=
t:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline=
'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier=
New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0=
pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>job status not reporting<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0=
level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-l=
ist:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></=
span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>a=
t least partly connected to new free tier limitations<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 l=
fo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignor=
e'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![e=
ndif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href=3D=
"https://blog.travis-ci.com/2020-11-02-travis-ci-new-billing"><span style=
=3D'color:#1155CC'>https://blog.travis-ci.com/2020-11-02-travis-ci-new-bill=
ing</span></a></span><span style=3D'font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black'>=
=E2=80=A9</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25i=
n;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span s=
tyle=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </s=
pan></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black'>we will need to move things off <a href=3D"http://travis-ci.org=
">travis-ci.org</a> by the end of the year<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertica=
l-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span s=
tyle=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span=
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>travis is shutting do=
wn free travis access due to abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;ma=
rgin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:=
baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'=
font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>move to <a href=3D"http://t=
ravis-ci.com">travis-ci.com</a>, still potential for free use but will be p=
otentially limited<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:76.8pt=
;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";co=
lor:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Time=
s New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif;color:black'>longer term move to github actions needs to b=
e evaluated<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-i=
ndent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !suppor=
tLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><sp=
an style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Rom=
an"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Aria=
l",sans-serif;color:black'>Benedikt's SDK-style build system branch working=
well, except for some unexpected crashes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical=
-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span st=
yle=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>using poetry instead o=
f setuptools - much simpler than current<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;margin-left:76.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;vertical-=
align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Courier New";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>o<span sty=
le=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PRs to come<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span styl=
e=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black'>Action items:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l2 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:I=
gnore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></s=
pan></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bl=
ack'>Felix will reduce the test combinations for soft shutdown on appveyor =
and travis to reduce build times and make a PR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;ver=
tical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span=
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endi=
f]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Felix will lo=
ok at extracting domain reload tests to reduce/simplify build times and rep=
ort back<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:40.8pt;text-inde=
nt:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline'><![if !supportLi=
sts]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"=
'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif;color:black'>Benedikt will fix 32-bit issues<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br></span><span sty=
le=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;col=
or:black'>The meeting notes google doc is</span><span style=3D'color:black'=
><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rJVU84B_dgx58-_EopjRtOJVFAI=
2WfHJYV0n7uE1Oak/edit"><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family=
:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC'>here</span></a></span><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>. Feel free to co=
rrect or add additional information.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8p=
t'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The next meet=
ing will be held on Thursday, December 3 at </span><span style=3D'color:bla=
ck'><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?q=3D12:00+pm+EST"><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC'>12pm EST (click for your =
time zone)</span></a></span><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black'>.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-l=
eft:4.8pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>Mark Visser<o:p></o:p></span></p><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><i><span style=3D'color:=
black'>Senior Dev Manager, M&E</span></i><span style=3D'color:black'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><=
b><span style=3D'color:black'>Unity Technologies</span></b><span style=3D'c=
olor:black'> - <a href=3D"http://www.unity3d.com/" target=3D"_bla=
nk"><span style=3D'color:#1155CC'>www.unity3d.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8=
pt'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></d=
iv></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'><span style=3D'co=
lor:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-left:4.8pt'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>=
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;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><=
/blockquote></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8=
pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></=
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