Re: Python Certificate

No, it was this one:

https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560

(Thanks for pushing me to actually look it up!)

The above link points to the second half of this edu summit 
presentation, by Chalmer Lowe. He described why certification is not 
easy, what some of the challenges are, and why we might want it.

I'm a long-time open-source person, and always thought the idea of 
certification was silly and unnecessary. But this talk changed my mind, 
both indicating that it's important and useful, and that it's hard to 
create a useful and good certificate.

But again, I think that getting a community-backed certification program 
could be really useful, especially now that (as Tomek noted) Microsoft 
has pulled out of this market.

Reuven

[email protected] wrote on 04/05/2022 12:57:
> Was it this presentation?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU>
> 
> I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at 
> https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python>, 
> with exercises
> in the docs directory.
> 
> Best,
> Tanya
> <https://twitter.com/wonntann> <https://github.com/wonntann/>
> 
> 
> 
> May 4, 2022, 09:04 by [email protected]:
> 
>     Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon
>     presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and
>     secret" may be solved:
>     - there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not
>     secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.);
>     - there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically
>     generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer.
>     I'm very curious what other issues you consider.
> 
>     Gabor
> 
>     On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
> 
>         There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about
>         certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it,
>         because it
>         was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really
>         opened
>         my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good
>         certification program -- but also the importance of having one
>         run by
>         the community, rather than companies.
> 
>         I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some
>         sort of
>         PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit
>         everyone
>         in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and
>         there are many issues to deal with, including the need for
>         keeping the
>         questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source
>         project.
> 
>         Reuven
> 
>         Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
> 
>             +1
> 
>             On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
>                 I have checked out the the Python certification programs
>                 and I think it would be interesting to create something
>                 more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a
>                 Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute
>                 (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it
>                 suggest that it is officially related to some
>                 organization of the Python community) and sells
>                 tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR
>                 depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and
>                 for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the
>                 quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's
>                 certification yet.
>                 I think it would be a very viable option to create a
>                 certification program which is officially supported by
>                 the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free
>                 if someone just want do a self assessment and a
>                 reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a
>                 controlled environment). The scope could be the core
>                 language elements.
>                 Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea.
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