Re: The bake-off

[Moore, Paul Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:39:29PM +0100]
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > thanks! I understand the criticism. Bear in mind though that
> > i was *not* suggesting an alternative to Optik. 
> 
> That wasn't clear to me at the time... Sorry.

probably my fault also.

> > the idea was to make it *even cheaper* to write cmdline-tools
> > with a rich interface. The basic idea is to construct a 
> > 'namespace'-mapping between the shell-cmdline and a python
> > function (or class). I  suggested to use Optik as the backend
> > for this. I was (and probably still am <wink>) willing to
> > implement this but it is difficult if there is no feedback :-)
> 
> It sounds like you're essentially talking about an "application framework"
> for simple command-line type scripts. If so, then my feeling is that it's a
> nice idea, and probably something I'd play with occasionally. I don't know
> if it would get much use in practice, though - it generally isn't too hard
> to use something like getopt/Optik "by hand".

true enough :-)

btw, Zope and other web-frameworks map an URL to a method in python as
well<wink>. I think that providing glue code in the standard lib 
that maps the command line to a python function would considerably 
lower the barrier to 

a) make up a nice-for-the-user-and-programmer cmdline-tool.

b) offer your tool to others (which usually means it will be
   improved etc.pp.)

> I'm not too bothered by the introspection aspect - Greg's concern that it's
> excessively "clever" isn't a problem to me if it's behind the scenes.

it's mostly straight forward. there is only one real problem...
e.g. take this mapping [*]:

    def function(
       mode=('-m','%s','text'),   # output mode can be 'html' or 'text'
       *files                     # list of input files to process
    )

it's not difficult to introspect the default values (the argspec)
of the parameters. But it is somewhat tricky 
to get the line documentation (#...) after each attribute. 
Note, that is easy enough to call 'inspect.getsource(xyz)' to
get the information, BUT the problem is:

    intospection generally does not work for objects living in
    the __main__ module :-(

There are known workarounds but they are not pretty.

> If you implement this, I promise I'll download it and try it out :-) 

i will someday :-) In the meantime i have done a reimplementation
of the rlcompleter (command line completer) which works pretty nice
plus some other stuff...

cheers,

    holger


[*] the more i think about it: Maybe it would be more practical 
and natural to map the cmdline to a class ...