Re: Join pydotorg lists

anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Steve Holden <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I suspect that postmaster at python.org would need to be involved in the
>> mechanics, though I have no idea whether there is any established
>> procedure for such an operation.
> 
> Added to CC.
> 
>> I doubt it's necessary to merge content given the total archive size of
>> pydotorg-www is less than 50 kB. Wouldn't it just be easier to post a
>> message on that list telling people to subscribe instead to
>> pydotor-redesign (whose archives are under 200 kB), and then close
>> pydotorg-www down?
>>
>> You said in your original message:
>>
>>> I'd like to propose joining pydotorg-www and pydotorg-redesign in one
>>> pydotorg mailing list to reduce clutter and provide single point of
>>> collaboration to improve the web site. Concentrating efforts in one
>>> place helps to keep people focused and increased activity attracts new
>>> contributors.
>> Looking at the archives of both lists:
>>
>>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-redesign/
>>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/
>>
>> it seems the lack of interest in both of these newsgroups might make
>> simply closing one or both down the most practical approach. Or do you
>> have a specific purpose in mind after a merge?
> 
> I think shutting them both down is the best approach, but this
> requires pydotorg list to became public. Is there any reason why
> pydotorg can't be made public taking into account that security issues
> can be reported directly (or discussed in private
> [email protected]) and SVN is public already?
> 
>> In the past there has been a sort of "let's start a mailing list"
>> disease that people have used to persuade themselves that something will
>> happen.  Sadly experience proves that this isn't often the case, and the
>> result is yet another moribund mailing list that doesn't result in any
>> action.
> 
> That's logical. The activity should be focused, not scattered.
> 
>> Since there has been no response to your mail from anyone but Michael
>> and I (unless I have missed messages) I would suggest that both lists
>> are already pushing up the daisies.
>>
>> I am, however, extremely interested in harnessing the energies of anyone
>> who is keen enough to take any sort of action. To that end I am making
>> Rich Leland, who has recently undertaken to look at the web site with a
>> view to modernization of both content management and design, aware of
>> this thread. He may contact you about this (but I am not committing him
>> to any specific action).
> 
> That's nice. I would start with focusing our efforts on making
> python.org site contributions more open.
> 
> The top thing in my pydotorg next-things-to-be-done is merging the
> mailing lists.
> The proposed plan for it is:
> 
> 1. open pydotorg to be public
> 2. open pydotorg-commits to be public - SVN repository is public anyway
> 3. close public pydotorg-redesign and pydotorg-www
> 4. publish an announcement to closed lists that all discussions now
> take place in pydotorg
> 5. update mailman list description pages
> 6. move subscribers from old mailing lists to pydotorg
> 7. update http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/,
> http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/website/,
> http://www.python.org/about/website and the link "Help Maintain
> Website"
> 
> Right now I do not have privileges to carry any of these tasks. Who is
> able to do this?

Well, not me! I've taken you as far as I can, and the rest will have to
be discussed on the pydotorg list.I have removed the postmaster Cc,
since they won't be interested in the minutiae and can be added again
later when action is required.

I am copying this email to the pydotorg list without knowing whether you
are a member, but I am no longer an active participant there due to
pressure of other activities.

Good luck!

regards
 Steve
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