Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [ANN] PyObjC 5.0
Glyph <[email protected]> Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:24:45 -0700
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--===============2051700724345330782== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D5615D34-2216-40B5-8812-D5B4CCAB6237" --Apple-Mail=_D5615D34-2216-40B5-8812-D5B4CCAB6237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:50 AM, Ronald Oussoren <[email protected]> = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 21 Sep 2018, at 05:59, Glyph <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>=20 >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ronald Oussoren via Pythonmac-SIG = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> PyObjC 5.0 is out >>=20 >> Thanks again for your tireless (or at least apparently tireless) = maintenance, Ronald! >>=20 >>> * Added bindings for the =E2=80=9CCarbonCore=E2=80=9D subframework = of the =E2=80=9CCoreServices=E2=80=9D framework. >>>=20 >>> Most APIs in this subframework are not available to Python, only = those APIs that are not deprecated and seem interesting are exposed. >>=20 >> One thing I wondered about when I saw "carbon" here is that I wonder = if the APIs that could make = https://pythonhosted.org/pyobjc/examples/Cocoa/AppKit/HotKeyPython/index.h= tml = <https://pythonhosted.org/pyobjc/examples/Cocoa/AppKit/HotKeyPython/index.= html> are exposed again? =20 >=20 > The API used in that example is not exposed through PyObjC at this = time (AFAIK it is part of =E2=80=9CCarbon.framework=E2=80=9D, not the = CarbonCore sub framework of =E2=80=9CCoreServices.framework=E2=80=9D.=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m open to adding bindings to interesting APIs, but note that = =E2=80=9CRegisterEventHotKey=E2=80=9D is not documented on Apple=E2=80=99s= website and might not be the right solution for modern code. I don=E2=80=99= t know yet what the right solution is though (a number of APIs that are = exposed through PyObjC can be used to implement similar functionality). If there were a more modern solution I'd gladly use it rather than = asking you to expose gross and ancient Carbon APIs :). Which APIs that = are already exposed can do this? >> The cautions that the relevant Carbon APIs require 32-bit mode are = inaccurate; = https://blog.shpakovski.com/2012/07/global-keyboard-shortcuts-in-cocoa.htm= l = <https://blog.shpakovski.com/2012/07/global-keyboard-shortcuts-in-cocoa.ht= ml> explains that they're still supported in sandboxed Mac App Store = apps, so they're just poorly documented, not deprecated. (It seems that = there's never been a proper Cocoa replacement for this functionality, = just a couple of popular wrappers floating around out there=E2=80=A6) >>=20 >> This is something I have wanted to do in Python many times, but never = quite badly enough to figure out all the build gymnastics required to = get the bindings for https://github.com/shpakovski/MASShortcut = <https://github.com/shpakovski/MASShortcut> built and bundled with my = application. >=20 > I=E2=80=99ll look into exposing this API for PyObjC 5.1, even if that = means adding a very limited set of bindings for Carbon.framework. Thanks! >> -glyph >>=20 >> P.S.: speaking of build gymnastics, does anyone on this list happen = to have a way to use CocoaPods or something similar to pull in open = source Cocoa frameworks to a PyObjC application? >=20 > I haven=E2=80=99t looked into this yet. I guess the hardest part is = creating the metadata for constants and pointer arguments. Could you = file and issue for this?=20 Sure, sometime this weekend I'll try to write it up. --Apple-Mail=_D5615D34-2216-40B5-8812-D5B4CCAB6237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:50 AM, Ronald Oussoren <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 21 = Sep 2018, at 05:59, Glyph <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"" = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><div class=3D"">On Sep 18, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ronald = Oussoren via Pythonmac-SIG <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><div = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><b = class=3D"">PyObjC 5.0 is out</b><br = class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks again for your tireless (or at = least apparently tireless) maintenance, Ronald!</div><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"">* Added bindings for the =E2=80=9CCarbonCore=E2=80=9D = subframework of the =E2=80=9CCoreServices=E2=80=9D framework.</div><d= iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Most APIs in this = subframework are not available to Python, only those APIs that are = not deprecated and seem interesting are exposed.<br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">One thing I wondered about when I saw = "carbon" here is that I wonder if the APIs that could make <a = href=3D"https://pythonhosted.org/pyobjc/examples/Cocoa/AppKit/HotKeyPython= /index.html" = class=3D"">https://pythonhosted.org/pyobjc/examples/Cocoa/AppKit/HotKeyPyt= hon/index.html</a> are exposed again? = </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The API used in that example is not = exposed through PyObjC at this time (AFAIK it is part of = =E2=80=9CCarbon.framework=E2=80=9D, not the CarbonCore sub framework of = =E2=80=9CCoreServices.framework=E2=80=9D. </div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m open to adding bindings to = interesting APIs, but note that =E2=80=9C<span class=3D"" = style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font color=3D"#222222" = class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: = 1.1em;">RegisterEventHotKey</span></font><font color=3D"#222222" = size=3D"2" class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(34, 34, = 34);">=E2=80=9D</span></font><font color=3D"#222222" class=3D""><span = class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 1.1em;"> is not documented on = Apple</span><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">=E2=80=99</font><span class=3D"" = style=3D"font-size: 1.1em;">s website and might not be the right = solution for modern code. I don</span><font size=3D"2" = class=3D"">=E2=80=99</font><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: = 1.1em;">t know yet what the right solution is though (a number of APIs = that are exposed through PyObjC can be used to = implement </span><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">similar</font><span = class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: = 1.1em;"> functionality).</span></font></span></div></div></div></bloc= kquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>If there were a more modern = solution I'd gladly use it rather than asking you to expose gross and = ancient Carbon APIs :). Which APIs that are already exposed can do = this?</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"">The cautions that the relevant Carbon APIs = require 32-bit mode are inaccurate; <a = href=3D"https://blog.shpakovski.com/2012/07/global-keyboard-shortcuts-in-c= ocoa.html" = class=3D"">https://blog.shpakovski.com/2012/07/global-keyboard-shortcuts-i= n-cocoa.html</a> explains that they're still supported in sandboxed = Mac App Store apps, so they're just poorly documented, not deprecated. = (It seems that there's never been a proper Cocoa replacement for = this functionality, just a couple of popular wrappers floating around = out there=E2=80=A6)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"" = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is something I have wanted to do = in Python many times, but never quite badly enough to figure out all the = build gymnastics required to get the bindings for <a = href=3D"https://github.com/shpakovski/MASShortcut" = class=3D"">https://github.com/shpakovski/MASShortcut</a> built and = bundled with my application.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>I=E2=80=99ll look into exposing this API = for PyObjC 5.1, even if that means adding a very limited set of bindings = for Carbon.framework.</div></div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>Thanks!</div><br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">-glyph</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">P.S.: speaking of build = gymnastics, does anyone on this list happen to have a way to use = CocoaPods or something similar to pull in open source Cocoa frameworks = to a PyObjC application?</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;">I haven=E2=80=99t looked into this yet. I guess the hardest = part is creating the metadata for constants and pointer arguments. Could = you file and issue for this? </div></blockquote><br = class=3D""></div><div>Sure, sometime this weekend I'll try to write it = up.</div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_D5615D34-2216-40B5-8812-D5B4CCAB6237-- --===============2051700724345330782== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============2051700724345330782== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Pyobjc-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pyobjc-dev --===============2051700724345330782==--