Re: Openeeg-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 4

the worst thing will meet user
is that Olimex EEG-SMT is not fully compatible with the "ModularEEG P2" in
BrainBay - some function are not working

if anyone can help explain this?

Mike


2012/11/7 <[email protected]>

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> From: Kris <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:05:45 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] A Non-Review of the Olimex EEG-SMT
> Well, I don't see what's Olimex responsability in all this? If the price is
> 200€, you send them 200€, it's not like you cannot change the currency in
> paypal. When I buy something on ebay UK, I don't make any currency
> conversion, I
> pay in pounds.
>
>
> Good luck in your researches though.
>
>
> PS:Let Visa do the currency conversion cause paypal is gonna screw you.
>
>
>
>
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> From: Stefan Jung <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:53:45 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] A Non-Review of the Olimex EEG-SMT
> Hi Gregory
>
> Well I am sorry that no one answered your question in, for you, suitable
> time frame.
>
> You are also missing MY point.  My point is this, I am quite happy to have
> to wait a bit longer and go through a bit of a schlep in ordering, if that
> means saving a packet of money.  For I don't have a money tree in my
> backyard.
>
> I agree that your Paypal experience is a bit silly, but Olimex must have
> there reasons.  As I said elsewhere, they are not a product house, there
> core business is blank PCB manufacture.
>
> In general, I have a very dim view of this "alternative health products"
> market.  Here I am not really talking EEG amps, but all these other
> electric gizmos such as GSR/SCL, AVE, TENS, CES, HRV, Rife and similar
> health "promoting" devices.  Don't misunderstand me.  I am not commenting
> on the usefulness, effectiveness or otherwise, of such devices.  I am
> talking about the MARKETING.  So many products are advertised and wild
> claims are made.  Some spin doctor then writes some mambo-jumbo which I, as
> an electronic engineer, can't even understand.  A rip-off price is then
> charged and they don't even show a PICTURE of the product, much less a
> proper spec sheet.  They want me to buy the proverbial cat-in-the-bag, just
> based on their mambo-jumbo.  I don't think so.  And often, the more
> expensive the product, the worse it gets.  EEG amps are a bit of an
> exception, through.
>
> A case in point is the Roshi.  Just the other day Chuck pissed me off by
> sending his absolute SPAM to this very forum.  Every 2 or 3 months he spams
> all the yahoo forums, BioExplorer, Biofeedback, etc.  The only one he can't
> get through is Braintrainer, because Pete has blocked his spam.   There was
> this EEG incorporated Roshi and then this AVE-only Roshi.  I think the
> current Roshi is this AVE-only device.  I like to be informed about these
> things.  A picture (of the product) would be a good starting point.  A
> decent web-page discussing the product.  But no, an astronomical price,
> mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors, and spam, spam, spam.  Well it might work
> for the technosaurs of the world Chuck, if you are reading this.  It
> doesn't impress me.  With your attitude Chuck, you might as well join a
> pharmaceutical company and sell pills.  You will be in good company there!
>
> The SMT-EEG product is supplied with pictures not only of the outside, but
> inside shots.  The full schematic diagram is supplied with all component
> values given.  I know EXACTLY what I am buying.  If this is information
> overload for someone, if someone hasn't got the technical insight to judge
> it on those merits, well tough!  At least appreciate this "openness", such
> a manufacturer has.  Consider it a real fresh breeze in this world of
> IC-part-number-ground-off mentality of the QDS products. Or worse, this
> sealed-for-life, don't -you-poke-your-nose-under-the-hood,
> no-user-servicable-parts-inside of the damn motor industry.
>
> So Greg - "absurd. No thanks."  Well then you better cancel that order and
> get your paypal refund.
>
> If anyone wondered, I don't have any connection with Olimex.  I am
> critical of products.  I praise if something is praise-worthy.  I rip to
> shreds, if it is not.  Stuff politeness and political correctness in this
> disingenuous world.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
>
>
> ---------- Wiadomość przekazana dalej ----------
> From: Ahmed Hilali <[email protected]>
> To: "Discussion of EEG hardware, software, training protocols, NFB theory
> - for developers and users." <[email protected]>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:58:50 +1300
> Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] A Non-Review of the Olimex EEG-SMT
> Haha Stefan laying it down!
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Stefan Jung <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Hi Gregory
>>
>> Well I am sorry that no one answered your question in, for you, suitable
>> time frame.
>>
>> You are also missing MY point.  My point is this, I am quite happy to
>> have to wait a bit longer and go through a bit of a schlep in ordering, if
>> that means saving a packet of money.  For I don't have a money tree in my
>> backyard.
>>
>> I agree that your Paypal experience is a bit silly, but Olimex must have
>> there reasons.  As I said elsewhere, they are not a product house, there
>> core business is blank PCB manufacture.
>>
>> In general, I have a very dim view of this "alternative health products"
>> market.  Here I am not really talking EEG amps, but all these other
>> electric gizmos such as GSR/SCL, AVE, TENS, CES, HRV, Rife and similar
>> health "promoting" devices.  Don't misunderstand me.  I am not commenting
>> on the usefulness, effectiveness or otherwise, of such devices.  I am
>> talking about the MARKETING.  So many products are advertised and wild
>> claims are made.  Some spin doctor then writes some mambo-jumbo which I, as
>> an electronic engineer, can't even understand.  A rip-off price is then
>> charged and they don't even show a PICTURE of the product, much less a
>> proper spec sheet.  They want me to buy the proverbial cat-in-the-bag, just
>> based on their mambo-jumbo.  I don't think so.  And often, the more
>> expensive the product, the worse it gets.  EEG amps are a bit of an
>> exception, through.
>>
>> A case in point is the Roshi.  Just the other day Chuck pissed me off by
>> sending his absolute SPAM to this very forum.  Every 2 or 3 months he spams
>> all the yahoo forums, BioExplorer, Biofeedback, etc.  The only one he can't
>> get through is Braintrainer, because Pete has blocked his spam.   There was
>> this EEG incorporated Roshi and then this AVE-only Roshi.  I think the
>> current Roshi is this AVE-only device.  I like to be informed about these
>> things.  A picture (of the product) would be a good starting point.  A
>> decent web-page discussing the product.  But no, an astronomical price,
>> mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors, and spam, spam, spam.  Well it might work
>> for the technosaurs of the world Chuck, if you are reading this.  It
>> doesn't impress me.  With your attitude Chuck, you might as well join a
>> pharmaceutical company and sell pills.  You will be in good company there!
>>
>> The SMT-EEG product is supplied with pictures not only of the outside,
>> but inside shots.  The full schematic diagram is supplied with all
>> component values given.  I know EXACTLY what I am buying.  If this is
>> information overload for someone, if someone hasn't got the technical
>> insight to judge it on those merits, well tough!  At least appreciate this
>> "openness", such a manufacturer has.  Consider it a real fresh breeze in
>> this world of IC-part-number-ground-off mentality of the QDS products. Or
>> worse, this sealed-for-life, don't -you-poke-your-nose-under-the-hood,
>> no-user-servicable-parts-inside of the damn motor industry.
>>
>> So Greg - "absurd. No thanks."  Well then you better cancel that order
>> and get your paypal refund.
>>
>> If anyone wondered, I don't have any connection with Olimex.  I am
>> critical of products.  I praise if something is praise-worthy.  I rip to
>> shreds, if it is not.  Stuff politeness and political correctness in this
>> disingenuous world.
>>
>> Regards
>> Stefan
>>
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> From: Chuck Davis <[email protected]>
> To: "Discussion of EEG hardware, software, training protocols, NFB theory
> - for developers and users." <[email protected]>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:42:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] A Non-Review of the Olimex EEG-SMT
>
> Feel better now, Stefan?
>
>
>
>  My EEG stuff, the ROSHI AVS and the ROSHI II+ are still in use, today.
>
>
>
>  They still outperform everything that you have ever heard of, here,
>
> yet I no longer need to make them.
>
>
>
>  Now, I can match their NFB performance, *sans electrodes*!
>
>
>
> /ChuckD....
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Jung **
> Sent: Nov 7, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] A Non-Review of the Olimex EEG-SMT
>
> Hi Gregory
>
> Well I am sorry that no one answered your question in, for you, suitable
> time frame.
>
> You are also missing MY point.  My point is this, I am quite happy to have
> to wait a bit longer and go through a bit of a schlep in ordering, if that
> means saving a packet of money.  For I don't have a money tree in my
> backyard.
>
> I agree that your Paypal experience is a bit silly, but Olimex must have
> there reasons.  As I said elsewhere, they are not a product house, there
> core business is blank PCB manufacture.
>
> In general, I have a very dim view of this "alternative health products"
> market.  Here I am not really talking EEG amps, but all these other
> electric gizmos such as GSR/SCL, AVE, TENS, CES, HRV, Rife and similar
> health "promoting" devices.  Don't misunderstand me.  I am not commenting
> on the usefulness, effectiveness or otherwise, of such devices.  I am
> talking about the MARKETING.  So many products are advertised and wild
> claims are made.  Some spin doctor then writes some mambo-jumbo which I, as
> an electronic engineer, can't even understand.  A rip-off price is then
> charged and they don't even show a PICTURE of the product, much less a
> proper spec sheet.  They want me to buy the proverbial cat-in-the-bag, just
> based on their mambo-jumbo.  I don't think so.  And often, the more
> expensive the product, the worse it gets.  EEG amps are a bit of an
> exception, through.
>
> A case in point is the Roshi.  Just the other day Chuck pissed me off by
> sending his absolute SPAM to this very forum.  Every 2 or 3 months he spams
> all the yahoo forums, BioExplorer, Biofeedback, etc.  The only one he can't
> get through is Braintrainer, because Pete has blocked his spam.   There was
> this EEG incorporated Roshi and then this AVE-only Roshi.  I think the
> current Roshi is this AVE-only device.  I like to be informed about these
> things.  A picture (of the product) would be a good starting point.  A
> decent web-page discussing the product.  But no, an astronomical price,
> mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors, and spam, spam, spam.  Well it might work
> for the technosaurs of the world Chuck, if you are reading this.  It
> doesn't impress me.  With your attitude Chuck, you might as well join a
> pharmaceutical company and sell pills.  You will be in good company there!
>
> The SMT-EEG product is supplied with pictures not only of the outside, but
> inside shots.  The full schematic diagram is supplied with all component
> values given.  I know EXACTLY what I am buying.  If this is information
> overload for someone, if someone hasn't got the technical insight to judge
> it on those merits, well tough!  At least appreciate this "openness", such
> a manufacturer has.  Consider it a real fresh breeze in this world of
> IC-part-number-ground-off mentality of the QDS products. Or worse, this
> sealed-for-life, don't -you-poke-your-nose-under-the-hood,
> no-user-servicable-parts-inside of the damn motor industry.
>
> So Greg - "absurd. No thanks."  Well then you better cancel that order and
> get your paypal refund.
>
> If anyone wondered, I don't have any connection with Olimex.  I am
> critical of products.  I praise if something is praise-worthy.  I rip to
> shreds, if it is not.  Stuff politeness and political correctness in this
> disingenuous world.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
>
>
>
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