Re: Official Zeek Community Slack Channel Poll

I think this depends on your target audience.  Maybe edu folks have 
unfettered port/application access on school networks...I don't know, 
but I can tell you, good luck getting anything resembling IRC on my 
$dayjob network.

James

On 2019-10-15 10:45, Amber Graner wrote:
> Thanks!  Adding it to the list.
> 
> ~Amber
> 
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:44 AM Matthias Vallentin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> A befriended startup recommended Rocket Chat to me the other day:
>> https://rocket.chat.
>> 
>> When evaluating other options, this might be a contender. It seems
>> there's IRC integration available as well [1].
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> [1] https://rocket.chat/2018/07/17/v66-release-post/
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:55 PM Richard Bejtlich
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I agree with Anthony. However, I had never heard of Matrix until
>> Jan's post. I checked it out via the Riot Web client, but I couldn't
>> tell if the bridge with the #bro IRC channel worked or not.
>> Furthermore, bridging the channel required having a registered nick
>> with Freenode, which I had to re-activate. Eventually I was able to
>> access Freenode using their Web chat, but I don't know if I was able
>> to access #bro as it was quiet.
>> 
>> This is the sort of friction that causes new people to give up on
>> chatting about Zeek. Slack at least makes it very easy for new users
>> to learn about what happens in a channel.
>> 
>> Also, is there a concept of chat history in Matrix? That's one of
>> the best features of Slack, in my opinion. Reading back through time
>> is a great way to learn.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:43 AM anthony kasza
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Slack is easy for beginners to use and is adopted by many other
>> communities. What's popular isn't always right and Slack definitely
>> has its limitations, as pointed out by others.
>> 
>> If other low maintenance, easy-to-use solutions come to light let's
>> try to use them. I agree with Amber; IRC is not growing the
>> community and something else might.
>> 
>> -AK
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 04:32 Amber Graner <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jan, thank you for that suggestion, no need to apologize. And no,
>> slack has not been settled on as the defacto choice. However, I
>> wanted to followup with this topic since it has been brought up
>> twice now by the community.
>> 
>> Michal, I understand the concern not only with Slack as tool, but
>> also using closed source tools for an open source project. In
>> addition to Matrix, which has been suggested by Jan, are there any
>> other alternatives to Slack or IRC that you would recommend?
>> 
>> I think the important thing to note, and I believe what the poll
>> will confirm, is that at the moment very few in the community are
>> using IRC and many in the community have expressed that they would
>> participate more if there was an alternative to IRC. I think most
>> people are familiar with Slack because it's a tool they use in their
>> professional environments and something they are already familiar
>> with that fits into their current workflow.  All of which would
>> lower the barrier to entry and promote more participation. However,
>> let's look into other options as well now that it's been brought up.
>> 
>> 
>> I'll leave the survey up open as planned, but will prepare to
>> present to the community and to the Zeek LT a comparison of all
>> alternatives to IRC.
>> 
>> What other suggestions does anyone have in addition to the
>> following:
>> 
>> - IRC
>> - Slack
>> - Matrix
>> - Discourse (chat)
>> 
>> If you have any other suggestions, please respond here or to me
>> personally before end of day on 18 Oct 2019, so that I can prepare
>> the presentation to you, the community and to the Zeek LT.
>> 
>> This discussion is great!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for the suggestions and feedback.
>> 
>> With gratitude,
>> ~Amber
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:54 AM Michał Purzyński
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> My private 2c here, not MoCo.
>> 
>> I strongly oppose having a closed platform chosen as a communication
>> medium.
>> 
>> Slack has a long story of being hostile to projects as soon as there
>> is an opportunity to earn 0.25 cents.
>> 
>> Slack lied about the IRC compatibility, making sure to first close
>> projects within the slack world, promising IRC bridge would stay,
>> and then silently murdering it.
>> I'm pretty sure it was planned for the beginning, to lure projects
>> that would not move to slack otherwise.
>> 
>> Slack is notoriously behaving in a counter-inclusive manner, asking
>> people to switch to a certain browser, completely ignoring user's
>> choice.
>> 
>> Slack user interface is so bad (on any browser) that it requires a
>> specialized client or it will drain your battery in no time.
>> I refuse installing a 3rd party software or a client from a company
>> with a long history of security ignorance.
>> 
>> Slack ignores Internet standards and bugs in web compatibility.
>> 
>> The list could go on, but I am strongly against closed solutions as
>> they give away the power over the project to a single hostile
>> company, for them to do whatever they want in the future.
>> 
>> Michal Purzynski, speaking privately, aka not MoCo. Feel free to
>> quote me.
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 1:27 AM Jan Grashöfer
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am sorry to open the can of worms again but is Slack already set
>> as
>> the platform? Personally, I am in favor of a more open and
>> decentralized
>> approach like matrix [1], which would even allow to bridge the old
>> IRC
>> channel.
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)
>> 
>> On 15/10/2019 03:41, Amber Graner wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> There was a question on the mailing list earlier this year and
>> again at
>>> ZeekWeek19 about plans to create an Official Zeek Community Slack
>> Channel.
>>> 
>>> Below is a 4 question 1 minute survey, please take a moment to
>> respond.  We
>>> will leave the survey up until 21 Oct 2019 5pm PT.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll
>>> 
>>> We will publish the results to the mailing list on 25 October
>> 2019.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Official_Zeek_Community_Slack_Channel_Poll>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer these questions.
>>> 
>>> with gratitude,
>>> ~Amber
>>> 
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