Re: Firewall best practices

_..have you seen qubes OS?

Nice thing and can be configured to do just anything.. but the problem lies
elsewhere: the percentage of people who care about security just enough
to use anything *OTHER* than Windows as their desktop OS is low enough, and
dividing that further leads us to almost non-existant fraction. That's why i
wish some of those VMs were Windows.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 06:18:40PM -0400, Paul D. Robertson wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
> 
> > scale between "nothing at all" and "utter crap" it's the SSL
> > situation. I guess that having crypto that sucks so badly that
> > it's breakable is easier than having to actually ask the question,
> 
> Oh, it's much, much worse than that- you're breaking the old red/black 
> network model by allowing encrypted and unencrypted packets to/from the 
> same device from different security domains without compartments.  But 
> more importantly all the effort of the overengineered SSLcrap is that the 
> entire industry focused on the wrong end of the problem.  It's not the 
> server that needs the protection (not to mention that still also breaks 
> the traditional crypto model- but I tried to advocate around that with a 
> trusted OS, "too much work" it seems *sigh*.
> > 
> > In Marcus-land the way we'd do it is have crypto that didn't
> > suck, and firewall rules that permitted outgoing crypto only
> > to (say, if online banking was an authorized activity during
> > office hours) a set of supported sites. Yeah, yeah, I know,
> > Marcus-land isn't a real place...
> 
> Even with sucky crypto, the combination of allowing traffic only to 
> specific sites would be a *major* improvement over the status quo.  Couple 
> that with only allowing trusted executables (Windows Software Restriction 
> Policies are still better than 98% of what's out there) and you get to a 
> pretty good place pretty quickly.
> 
> In Paul-land, Marcus land would have lots more beer, and Paul would be 
> allowed much more access!! ;)
> 
> Paul
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