FW: P2V - Live Forensics

"Shannon.ONeil" <[email protected]> Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:39:31 -0600
Newsgroups gmane.comp.security.forensics
Message-ID <99B7F1E0193E1C4089358678DC2B32AE2A339BCC52@TLEMLMBX11P.email.target.com>
@solefarmer:

It's been a while since forensics were my daily grind, but I have some thou=
ghts...

Are you a member of the subject's organization?  i.e.  same company or agen=
cy?

If so, your best immediate approach may be going over the wire with AccessD=
ata Enterprise (ftk) or a similar tool.

	* Cost justification: It's happened once, it'll happen again.  Once the ag=
ent is installed, the subject is available 24x7.

	* Court explanation:  AccessData installs an agent that reads the drive.  =
It is its sole function, and
				    cannot be used to move files onto the target.

	* MD5 hash option:    If it were me, I wouldn't use that as a foundation f=
or testimony.  In order to get
			          a file MD5, you have to touch it - right?  That is harder to e=
xplain away than a
			          remote agent imaging the entire drive.

If you're not part of the subject's organization, or cannot influence purch=
ase of a network tool, it will depend on expanding that time window.  Fire =
drill?  Trouble ticket?  "Audit" all laptops in the dept in the Help Desk b=
ack room?  Have the boss invite the whole gang to a long lunch?

Shannon

Disclaimer:   The opinions and view expressed are solely those of the sende=
r.  The sender's organization makes no claim as to accuracy, efficacy or re=
liability.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On=
 Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: P2V - Live Forensics

Ladies, Gentlemen, and otherwise:



I have a situation whereby I need to obtain an image of an individual's lap=
top suitable for potential prosecution in a US court; however, I only have =
a limited window in which to grab the image, and was looking for alternativ=
es in order to not "spook" the poor guy or his co-workers who would no doub=
t tell him about me, as I go into his office and randomly image his drive!=
=20





I thought about using P2V (Physical to Virtual), but realize that such soft=
ware does make some steps to alter the system and thus may have court chall=
enges. Is there possibility such could be explained in court, or perhaps md=
5 hash of his files(not the disk image) taken while online and then compare=
d to a virtual image of sorts.=20



Please advise, and I'm thinking of sending the winning submission a beer or=
 two or some other minor token of appreciation.








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