RE: Administrator in Domain Admins group

"James D. Stallard" <[email protected]> Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:39:41 -0000
Newsgroups gmane.comp.security.microsoft
Message-ID <[email protected]>
...And further to Laura's second point:

The Local Administrator account used on Domain Controllers when logging =
in using Directory Services Restore Mode (DSRM) has a different password =
and a different set of rights to the Domain Administrator account. The =
account is referred to here as the DSRM account.

The password for the DSRM account is set during the DCPROMO process to =
create the Domain Controller, and is set independently (and often =
differently) on each individual Domain Controller. These passwords are =
typically lost!

Windows 2008R2 allows you to automate the changing of these passwords to =
sync them with password of another account. My personal preference is to =
hold the Domain Administrator account in trust (as per previous post) =
and sync the DSRM account password on each Domain Controller with the =
Domain Administrator account password. This can easily be automated with =
Group Policy Preference to affect all current and future Domain =
Controllers.

The DSRM account rights cannot be broken down and delegated, but the =
passwords can be held in trust to maintain control over the environment =
by the business - NOT the IT Department. These passwords change rarely, =
so must be strong enough to resist attack for extended periods. Consider =
a 25 character passphrase using mixed case, numbers, letters and =
punctuation as the minimum acceptable length to defend against the =
current abilities of the password cracker.

Cheers

James

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] =
On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 09 February 2011 19:04
To: 'Michael Sturtz'; 'Shang Tsung'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Administrator in Domain Admins group

Resending as there was a "failure to act" on the prior post and the =
points
are valid and important, IMO. :-)

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura A. Robinson [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:04 PM
To: 'Michael Sturtz'; 'Shang Tsung'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Administrator in Domain Admins group


A couple of small corrections-
1. The built-in Administrator account cannot be deleted via normal
mechanisms. Any mechanisms that might work to delete the account would =
be
unsupported.
2. The Administrator account for the domain and the local Administrator
account for a DC booted into DSRM are not actually the same account.=20

Thanks,

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] =
On
Behalf Of Michael Sturtz
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:16 PM
To: Shang Tsung; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Administrator in Domain Admins group

The "Built in Administrator" account CAN be deleted however it is =
strongly
cautioned against doing this.  One of the reasons is it is the account =
that
is used in safe mode should a disaster occur.   If the built in
Administrator account is locked out you can reboot the system in safe =
mode
(by hitting the F8 key at startup) and still logon to the account and =
fix
your system.  If you delete or remove the built in administrator account =
you
will be unable to logon to the system.  I would recommend renaming the =
built
in administrator account to a different name and then creating a new =
account
named Administrator that is not a member of the Administrators or Domain
Administrators group and is disabled.  This account is a decoy to =
prevent
nuisance attacks on your default administrator account. =20
Michael Sturtz

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] =
On
Behalf Of Shang Tsung
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Administrator in Domain Admins group

After an audit, I noticed that in the Domain Admins group of our domain,
there is an account named Administrator. As my engineers told me, this
account is created by default when you create a new domain and cannot be
deleted or disabled. Is this true? I am not convinced yet.

We do not like general purpose accounts like this because we lose
accountability. I am pretty sure the password of that account is in the
hands of people who are not supposed to have it. Each domain admin has =
his
own account who is in the Domain Admins group, so there is no need for =
this
Administrator account.

Can we delete it? And if yes, what would be the consequences?

Thanks,
Shang Tsung