Re: Status of the Java Port?

Wolfgang Keller <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.comp.security.passwordsafe.devel
Message-ID <[email protected]>
It is rather simple what I mean by this.

Statement A.: "PWS uses outdated security technology"

I am referring here to both security functions, namely the encryption 
algorithm Blowfish and the cryptological hash function SHA-1.

a) Blowfish falls into the category of 8 byte block modification 
schemes. This feature it has in common with the late DES standard which 
now is practically an open book for crypt-analysts. Although it is 
granted that Blowfish has a better reputation than DES, obviousely some 
American official came to the conclusion that 8 byte block modification 
is considered a security hazard in respect to ever growing capabilities 
of modern cryptanalysis and fast computers. Hence the new standard AES 
was developed which has a minimum of 16 byte block modification. As 
speaking of the same fathers, Twofish is the successor of Blowfish with 
considerably increased security and hence, just by this fact and in this 
sense, Blowfish is outdated. - This is of course nothing new to you.

b) SHA-1 has recently been identified as a possible security risk as 
some people found a way to trace collisions. Tracing collisions may be 
used for cryptanalytical methods on the ciphertext. For the moment it 
may not seem likely to happen, but who knows? Things are changing and 
SHA-1 is marked for substitution even by the NIST. Outdated No. 2.

Statement B.: ".. implementation is partly resting on doubtful and 
erroneous quality"

While basically true, I like to revoke this. I came to the conclusion 
after having seen that the SHA-1 code has been tampered with in some way 
that seemed to render propriatory (hence doubtful) results. At a closer 
look today, however, it showed that the basic security function of the 
SHA-1 implementation is alive and only in a small substep there exists 
an erroneous result in the sense that this result it is not a SHA-1 
digest but something different. As this step is a secondary step based 
on a well-formed SHA-1 value, the "doubtful" result should not be 
expected to cause a security damage (under the assumption the SHA-1 does 
the job).

So please take my apologies for statement B; I will weaken it to " ... 
implementation partly rests on a propriatory HMAC function." My basic 
conclusion on PWS is however unchanged.

Cheers!
- Wolfgang

J. Wren Hunt wrote:

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>>work, and it ripened to almost a first release, but I have given up on
>>it after considering a few facts about passwordsafe in general which
>>have brought me to the conclusion that its security technology is
>>basically outdated and its implementation is partly resting on doubtful
>>and erroneous quality. - I have plans to use my developments for a
>>different project, at an indeterminate time.
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>So I just gotta ask - can you elaborate on what you mean by this and
>possibily provide examples? Thx!
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>Cheers!
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>J. Wren Hunt
>Cambridge, MA. USA
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