Re: Account Lockouts

> run into problems with large proxies
> if you use this approach, but

Somebody should assemble a centralized list of these terrible beasts, large proxies.

My preference is to presume that the IP is that of an attacker first, and whitelist the known large proxies.

Jason Coombs
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-----Original Message-----
From: "David LeBlanc" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:41:09 
To:"Harrison Gladden" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,       <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Account Lockouts

This depends on the asset you're trying to protect. If it is a bank,
maybe I want to force someone to call.

This would be hard to implement, but if you could also track the source
IP of the logon, you could then only allow some small number of user
names to be tried from any one IP address. Won't protect you from an
army of bots, but ought to get rid of most of the anklebiters. You may
run into problems with large proxies if you use this approach, but
again, this depends on your use scenario.

Injecting some randomization into the user names would make sense. Make
the attacker guess as much as possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harrison Gladden [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:52 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Account Lockouts

Hello all, 

My question to the group is about handling account lock outs.  Here's
the situation, assume there is a web interface that lets users log in
and do stuff, but the log-in process is constrained by the network
restrictions as well.. Meaning if a user tries to log in X times in Y
seconds and fails each time, then the account get locked out.

What are successfull techniques that could be used on the web interface
to avoid having a script run against it that would potentially lock out
15000 user accounts, and create a headache for the system administrators
who have to manually unlock each account?

Also assume the current user account names are known by everyone.  

Possible techniques we've thrown around:
1)  Allow each user to pick their own username instead of using a
standard (i.e. First 3 letters of first name + Full last name)

2) Create a set time-out period  for each account of  X (maybe an hour) 


Hopefully my question makes sense.  

Thanks,
Harrison
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Harrison Gladden <[email protected]>
Computer Engineer & Science Major
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