RE: Domino/IBM i Upgrade Thoughts

I'm chuckling a little... I was hoping that Rob would be the one already
fooling with 11...  i'll give a couple more days to see if any others chime
in... i'm curious now if there is much of 11 out there in production
running on IBM i...


Uninstall/reinstall for fixpacks... that sounds ugly...



I had already uncovered some of your posts and read about them backpedaling
on the Domino 10 support.  This looks like it's going to be a tricky
proposition...



Our servers at 9.0.1FP7 are completely stable (one is on a Power8 box and
the other is on a Power9 box upgraded last year)...  when you see the
restarts overnight on Domino 10 do they pretty much restart and come back
up completely functional?  I have to say it has been years since we've seen
a Domino server restart on its own due to a problem... ugh.



These Domino servers critical in the roles they serve here... mail, inotes,
traveler, and one critical app used for manufacturing documentation and QS
compliance...  i'll have to feel some real comfort before trying to bump
them up to 11...










From:	Rob Berendt <[email protected]>
To:	"Lotus Domino on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)"
            <[email protected]>
Date:	08/21/2020 07:35 AM
Subject:	RE: Domino/IBM i Upgrade Thoughts
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When I get a breather I'm supposed to start looking at Domino 11.  Which
will be the first version of Domino supported on IBM i 7.4.  (I defy anyone
to find a link from IBM or HCL which says anything earlier is supported.)
At one time there may have been a link stating that some version of Domino
10 was supported but that was scrubbed from the internet.

I am running 10.0.1FP4 on IBM i 7.4.
Domino fixpacks for IBM i at this level are completely different.  More of
an uninstall/reinstall.
This has been somewhat stable.  "Server Restart Notification" emails are
down to only 1 or 2 a month.  Considering that many of our 15 lpars of IBM
i are running multiple servers of Domino each and they are spread across
two P9's and one P8 and all these notifications happen in the very wee
hours of the morning I find it acceptable.  I used to report each and
everyone but it became pretty obvious to me that HCL was making data
gathering more onerous to beat you into acceptance.
Honestly I've been running 7.4 so long I can't remember if there was the
usual Java reason forcing the 9->10 upgrade.  IBM often did this silly
thing of hardcoding the Java requirements into Domino.  In the past they
used to look for '5761-JV1'.  One OS upgrade caused issues because they
still had the same java levels but simply renamed it to 5770-JV1.  That
change caused Domino not to be available for several months after GA
(Domino changes/fixes are VERY slow).  Other times it was changes due to
Java levels being dropped.  Again it is hardcoded.  Any attempts to use
Domino java environment variables are solely to change between 32 and 64
bit.  I don't believe that's documented but it's a fact.  I think it may be
documented now after I went to battle over that.

Try this Domino server command:
Show jvm
Mine shows:
08/21/2020 07:23:11   JVM: Java Virtual Machine initialized.
08/21/2020 07:23:11   Java runtime version: 8.0.6.5 -
pap3280sr6fp5-20200111_02(SR6 FP5)
08/21/2020 07:23:11   JVM version: JRE 1.8.0 OS/400 ppc-32-Bit
20200108_436782 (JIT enabled, AOT enabled)
OpenJ9   - 7d1059c
OMR      - d059105
IBM      - c8aee39

DSPSFWRSC
5770JV1   *BASE    5050    IBM Developer Kit for Java
5770JV1   *BASE    2924    IBM Developer Kit for Java
5770JV1   16       5116    Java SE 8 32 bit
5770JV1   17       5117    Java SE 8 64 bit

We are mainly using Domino for applications and are still actively
developing applications for it.
We abandoned Domino for email after upgrading to Power 9's and the server
restarts were several times a day and that took months to resolve.
Apparently the same MF* ptf's needed were also making SAP horrifically
unstable and I believe this helped motivate IBM to finally fix that Domino
issue but it was too late to save email on Domino for us.  First and only
time I ever opened a "crit sit" with IBM.

Rob Berendt
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We have been at both 9.0.1FP7 (on IBM i) for a long time... had too much
going on last year with a data center move to make any move towards
10.0.1... we have also been at 7.3 of IBM i for a time...

We are wanting to move ahead with IBM i 7.4 later in the year and are also
interested in getting to a more recent Domino (on i) release...

I'm currently wading through blogs and documentation and will be getting
HCL's thoughts on what we should target and what sequence we should move
forward in...

I'm trying to find out for sure if I can move to 7.4 first and then move
towards an upgrade of Domino, or if I need to target a Domino upgrade
first...

Also curious to know if anyone has gone very far yet with running Domino 11
on IBM i in production yet... it seems pretty new to me...




We are a fairly small shop with two Domino servers clustered (each on
separate i in a separate data center).. Around 175 mail/Notes users (mostly
via Citrix), about 20 of them user Traveler on iPhones, and we have one 3rd
party app (QSI compliance software)..




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