Re: Source code
"Steve Pfister" <[email protected]>
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Ross It is my recollection from my experience in the early and mid-90s was that MAPICS Source could be obtained in several different ways It might have been included in a transaction and written into a schedule, negotiated and invoiced separately as a stand-alone transaction, or ordered through the Marcam/ Mapics Support Organization as a "one-off" to help out in a pinch. It was my understanding that a source code transaction was a perpetual transaction that did not carry an annual license charge, unlike other Mapics licenses, which were non-perpetual and required an ALF to keep the code operational and in productive use. I also believe that source code might have been taxable in Illinois, just by its very nature of being perpetual. I recall that it was the policy that once a customer was coded as a source customer in the Mapics system that they were always entitled to source CDs, and source was always included as part of any new release shipment. Non-source customers did not receive source CDs with new release shipments. I believe that rules changed sometime after the introduction of the IBM 64-bit RISC 400. Around that time, things shifted to an annual licensing charge for source, but customers requiring source in escrow still had a one-time licensing option through a written addendum. This annual licensing approach only applied to new customers and Mapics customers who never obtained source under the old one-time charge methods. I would not necessarily look for an old piece of paper as proof of source. Look for the code in the licensing system. Look for the delivery of old source CDs. One way or another a lot of old Mapics customers became Source customers. Back in the early and mid-90s many things happened in the heat of negotiation, and source code was usually a give away just to sweeten the deal. Thats my entire recollection of Source . -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross Freeman Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:22 PM To: mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Subject: [MAPICS-L] Source code If you have paid for source code, then your entitlement to it remains. If you paid a one time fee back 20 years ago, we will need to research it a bit. Best route is through a Support call and via your account rep. It will require pulling contracts to verify, and then setting up the access properly. If there is no ALF, that can confuse our system, which may be why your entitlement isn't visible. Best Regards, Ross Freeman | Senior Product Manager | Infor | office: 678.319.8040 | mobile: 404.386.5684 | ross.freeman-wzDqe+/[email protected] Infor ERP XA InforFLEX-A clear, fast, and cost effective path to adopt Infor's latest product innovations. http://www.infor.com/flex -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of mapics-l-request-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:00 PM To: mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Subject: MAPICS-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 140 Send MAPICS-L mailing list submissions to mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mapics-l-request-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at mapics-l-owner-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of MAPICS-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Source code taken away (Patrick Cusick) 2. Re: Source code taken away (Sansi, Jim) 3. XA Net-Link for IDF Infor ERP Lx (Andry Elone) 4. Re: XA Net-Link for IDF Infor ERP Lx (Rad Yates) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- message: 1 date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:20:02 -0700 from: Patrick Cusick <PCusick-YU4im4VvYuFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] Source code taken away Sure sounds as though the source code is yours based upon your late 90s deal. Most organizations do not modify the MAPICS/XA source code. This comes from the lessons learned in the 80s regarding the difficulty of upgrading from modified code. However, it is common practice to take MAPICS/XA source code, copy it, and then modify the copy. The original is left intact. Then, when moving to a new release, A check is done to see if the release has incorporated your modifications If so, the upgrade is done and the modification is discarded If not, the upgrade is done and then the modification is incorporated into the new release This is a bigger deal in the event of database or dataset additions, changes or deletions in the new release Patrick Cusick Data Aire, Inc. Information Technology Department pcusick-YU4im4VvYuFWk0Htik3J/[email protected] (714) 921 - 6000 (800) 347 - 2473 "Kevin Mann" <[email protected]> Sent by: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 08/27/2009 02:09 PM Please respond to MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> To "mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" <'mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]'> cc Subject Re: [MAPICS-L] Source code taken away To clarify our situation, we have been a Mapics customer for over 20 years. I have been here about 5 years and inherited Mapics XA rel 3 code that was heavily modified. My company purchased the source code in the late 90s when Mapics started charging for source. They were told that this was a one time charge. I remember the same thing happening at my former company. In 2005, with the help of an Infor affiliate, we upgraded to rel 7. Before starting, I had to request the Rel 7 source code which Infor sent to me. >From what I am hearing on this site, it sounds like some customers are now being charged an ALF. Others I have talked to have never heard of this. We have never been informed of this. I understand what Ross is saying about not allowing customers access without paying, but in our case he is wrong. We did pay for source and it was taken away without notice. I agree with those that say we shouldn't be modifying the code but at this point, it is an absolute necessity that I am able to access the latest source code when I need to apply a PTF over our all ready modified code. Thanks, Kevin _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l. ------------------------------ message: 2 date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:33:14 -0700 from: "Sansi, Jim" <[email protected]> subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] Source code taken away Kevin--- Not to be a killjoy here... but why don't you contact your channel partner to get it sorted out? -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Mann Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM To: mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] Source code taken away To clarify our situation, we have been a Mapics customer for over 20 years. I have been here about 5 years and inherited Mapics XA rel 3 code that was heavily modified. My company purchased the source code in the late 90s when Mapics started charging for source. They were told that this was a one time charge. I remember the same thing happening at my former company. In 2005, with the help of an Infor affiliate, we upgraded to rel 7. Before starting, I had to request the Rel 7 source code which Infor sent to me. >From what I am hearing on this site, it sounds like some customers are now being charged an ALF. Others I have talked to have never heard of this. We have never been informed of this. I understand what Ross is saying about not allowing customers access without paying, but in our case he is wrong. We did pay for source and it was taken away without notice. I agree with those that say we shouldn't be modifying the code but at this point, it is an absolute necessity that I am able to access the latest source code when I need to apply a PTF over our all ready modified code. Thanks, Kevin _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l. ------------------------------ message: 3 date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:42:49 -0700 from: "Andry Elone" <andry-/[email protected]> subject: [MAPICS-L] XA Net-Link for IDF Infor ERP Lx Dear All, Anyone working on Infor IDF for ERP Lx and MAPICS XA Net-Link ? I installing IDF for Infor ERP lx, it's use MAPICS XA Net-link for IDF , but when starting the global environment (net-link), I got an error on Net-Link Subsystem under QUSRWRK. the subsystem MPXREGSRV is not running, just the MPXMGRSRV is running. Job Log error : Data area ZAMVSWU0R in *LIBL not found. Cannot resolve to object AXZPOV1R. Type and Subtype X'0201' Authority X'0000'. CSTSYS in *LIBL type *FILE not found. Cursor CURCSTSYS not open. CSTSYS in *LIBL type *FILE not found. Cursor CURCSTSYS not open. Environment variable added. Please Help. Thanks & Regards, Andry Perkom Indah Murni, PT Jakarta - Indonesia -------------- next part -------------- Scanned by Fortigate ------------------------------ message: 4 date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:46:13 -0400 from: "Rad Yates" <[email protected]> subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] XA Net-Link for IDF Infor ERP Lx Pull the documentation on the command PSICTLJVA from the Infor website for instructions on managing the global environment. -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andry Elone Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:43 PM To: mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Subject: [MAPICS-L] XA Net-Link for IDF Infor ERP Lx Dear All, Anyone working on Infor IDF for ERP Lx and MAPICS XA Net-Link ? I installing IDF for Infor ERP lx, it's use MAPICS XA Net-link for IDF , but when starting the global environment (net-link), I got an error on Net-Link Subsystem under QUSRWRK. the subsystem MPXREGSRV is not running, just the MPXMGRSRV is running. Job Log error : Data area ZAMVSWU0R in *LIBL not found. Cannot resolve to object AXZPOV1R. Type and Subtype X'0201' Authority X'0000'. CSTSYS in *LIBL type *FILE not found. Cursor CURCSTSYS not open. CSTSYS in *LIBL type *FILE not found. Cursor CURCSTSYS not open. Environment variable added. Please Help. Thanks & Regards, Andry Perkom Indah Murni, PT Jakarta - Indonesia ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) digest list To post a message email: MAPICS-L-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l. 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