Re: XA Today
"Kevin Fox" <[email protected]>
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Bryan Go to http://www.infor.com/solutions/opensoa/video/ for an overview. The marketing materials from Infor are not the best at explaining why SOA is really a great strategic/technical solution path for XA customers. Think of it like this. Current XA is the base layer. Data/Logic Above this layer With R7.8 and soon R7.9 you another logic/data layer called INFOR EBS (Enterprise Bus System). You must get to this level as a min. What does this do? It creates a common way to extract and update data utilizing all the rules and logic of the XA layer that is below it. Why is this important? Because it opens up the "old" architecture to current communication technical standards (SOAP, WSDL) which means that communication of updates and queries from the XA layer are standardized. Above the EBS are a set of new applications that have been and are being developed by INFOR for all of their products. Applications like My Day (see the video above), Inventory Management (not a rewrite, but an all new global ready application), Customer Order (not a rewrite, but a new application including online store built right in), Master Data Management (imagine EPDM as it should have been) and more applications are on the way. Why is this important? First, understand that the INFOR EBS layer is written above nearly ALL of the applications acquired by INFOR. This means that the EBS makes communications standard to all the underlying systems. This means that each application can be implemented as you need and desire WITHOUT required massive upgrades. If you can take advantage of the MyDay application, you don't need to implement the new customer service application. Or vice versa, if you don't care about MyDay but could really use a robust customer service application then you can implement it without having to implement MyDay, etc. This is true not only for XA customers but all INFOR customers concurrently. I have clients that have some plants on XA others on old SSA BPCS, and others on Syteline. They can all leverage the new architecture to communize their application suites WITHOUT HAVING TO TEAR OUT THE OLD APPS! Just upgrade to the level that has the EBS and your there. XA has had a longer row to hoe than some of the other applications for two reasons. 1. The conversion from green screen to "client architecture" was never completed. 2. The client architecture needed to be updated to incorporate the EBS system. Had #1 not been an issue, XA would be at the same levels as the rest of the INFOR applications. Another thing about this architecture...it allows easy access to the data WITHOUT having to modify a single line of code. If you are not familiar with WSDL, SOAP or Web Services. Get familiar fast. Imagine updating your price lists from an Excel spreadsheet WITH ALL of the logic and error checking already built in. And the cost of getting this "new application", about 1 hour with NO modifications to XA. (BTW you can do this on any level of R7.2 in the powerlink / IDF (renamed powerlink to Infor Development Framework for all the iSeries products) architecture and above, it's just going to get easier!) Also, get familiar with the INFOR Flex program. By making a commitment to get to the current level of code (R7.8 until approx 3/31 and the R7.9 after that) you get MAJOR discounts AND implementation support. And one last thing: and perhaps the most important: YOU GET ALL OF THIS INCLUDED IN YOUR ANNUAL LICENSE FEE (AKA MAINTENANCE)! That's right, you get access to MyDay, Customer Service, etc. all of the SOA applications that are release as common apps by INFOR. Name one other vendor writing all new architecture and applications and giving them to you for maintenance on your current system!? OK enough. Kevin Fox Fox Enterprises and Professional Services LLC (909) 762-1384 mobile -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Burns, Bryan Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:38 AM To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] XA Today Thank you Ross. For the users like us who are still on the character based architecture, it's good to know that the future of XA is promising indeed. Can you tell us what the SOA and Evolve initiatives are? Our affiliate mentioned SOA as being very important in the future but time did not permit an explanation and I want to give out VP a heads up on it. Bryan Burns iSeries Specialist ECHO, Incorporated Lake Zurich, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ross Freeman Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:11 PM To: mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] Subject: [MAPICS-L] XA Today Kevin's posting has set off another train of thought. Many of our customers are not much aware of Infor, and how it is different from the latter days of MAPICS. Some of you may have seen presentations from me on this topic, others may not. Let me provide some little known facts about XA. - #2 ERP in Infor by revenue - Very close to #1 in revenue in North America - Customer count has been essentially stable since 2003 (about 1600 customers, 2500+ sites) - Annual retention rate over 97% (probably highest in the industry) - One of Infor's "go forward" ERP platforms that 100% participates in the SOA and Evolve initiatives - XA Development investment (Enrich) has been fairly stable over time, still maintaining one of the largest Development labs in Infor - IBM has finally taken the cloud away from the System i platform - we have seen a full roadmap for the product going to 2015. No more doubts about XA's future because of the platform. The perception that XA is being allowed to slowly dwindle away is 100% false. That may have been true of MAPICS (I believe it was), but it is not true of Infor. It is understandable that customers have seen less action since 2005 than they may have hoped. But let me share some of Infor's accomplishments over that period. - Consolidated 30+ acquisitions, 98 separate business systems and 200+ GL reporting entities, into one. In less than three years, on Infor software (of course). - Rationalized all internal business systems and processes across 150+ offices around the world - Built unified global organizations in Sales, Marketing, Development, Product Management, and Administration - Rebuilt a large number of damaged products, where the predecessor company was visibly failing their customers - Conceived, designed, built and deployed a complete SOA strategy and architecture, deploying across 20+ major application sets (ERPs, Financial Systems, Distribution Systems, EAM, SCM...) - Conceived and executed a $350 million development strategy across all key product lines, over and above regular ongoing investments for each product. - Infor-ized the XA solution set, to enable XA to take advantage of the Infor strategy - same for all go forward products in Infor - Conceived, built and launched the FLEX program company wide - in three months. - Built and deployed a dedicated System i group - in five months - Built new customer facing organizations to make sure we actively touch our customers on a regular basis - all 70,000 customers, plus reaching out to many more who have "left the family" over the years. - Maintained solid financial results during the worst recession in recent memory Infor's accomplishments in this short period are breathtaking, in my view. XA is a key player in this story. However, much of this was internal work, out of the view of our customers. It is understandable that customers did not see the activity, and felt a sense of drift around XA. All of these efforts are bearing fruit this year. I believe all our customers will see increasing speed of delivery, decisiveness of action and longer term viewpoint. Our focus is on keeping our customers with us - and making sure we are still in business to be there with you. Full disclosure - like Kevin, I have been in systems for close to 30 years. I have worked intensively with 13 ERP systems, as well as many other manufacturing systems. I've been a customer, consultant, salesperson, developer, designer, product manager, and more. I haven't done as many countries as Kevin has, only 18. Infor has provided the opportunity for a great team to unleash their talents. You haven't seen a lot of that yet, but you will. This is a statement from me as a person, having worked in all parts of the software business. This is not Infor marketing material, this is the truth as I see it. 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