Re: MAPICS-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125

Ross Freeman <Ross.Freeman-wzDqe+/[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.comp.systems.as400.mapics
Message-ID <CCB61E34.22F52%[email protected]>
I suppose we need to put this to bed. There is typically a clause in
MAPICS and Infor license agreements that require additional license
payments when a licensee grants access to any person who is not an
employee of that company, of Infor or a current affiliate of Infor.  This
clause has been in a majority of contracts for many years. It is not a
financial penalty as such, but it is a license fee over and above the fee
already paid.

Quite frankly, I don't know the origin of this clause, nor do I know the
business justification. I have yet to find anyone who remembers when or
why it was put in.  However, if it is in your agreement, it is a term of
your license.  You could have an issue if you grant third party access and
Infor performs an audit.

I don't believe this has happened very often, and we don't consider it a
major licensing violation. However, you should be aware of the provisions
of your license pertaining to third party access. If you have this clause,
you are bound by its terms.

Best Regards,

 <http://www.infor.com/>Ross Freeman - System i Strategy Leader, Senior
Product Manager ERP XA
mobile: +1 404 386 5684
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>   1. Re:  IM transactions via SystemLink (DGowen-KH87JHHfSKradGDVLbOUCQC/[email protected])
>   2. Re:  IM transactions via SystemLink (Richard Stover)
>   3. Re:  IM transactions via SystemLink (Ronald Kral)
>   4. Re:  IM transactions via SystemLink (Vic Belebczuk)
>   5.  Non-Infor Partner personnel discussion (Dave Shaw)
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>message: 1
>date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:26:23 -0500
>from: DGowen-KH87JHHfSKradGDVLbOUCQC/[email protected]
>subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing.  I do
>not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
>Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
>partners
>and affiliates have been very helpful.
>
>Diane Gowen
>IT Manager
>Moeller Marine Products
>
>
>
>
>From:   "Rusty Jackson" <[email protected]>
>To:     "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Date:   10/30/2012 08:19 AM
>Subject:        Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>Sent by:        mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>
>
>
>That is exactly how I read it Vanessa.  I too am an independent service
>contractor and would to understand what that means.
>
>Rusty Jackson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Vanessa King
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
>To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
>who
>are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement and
>"may
>carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
>contractor
>I'd like an explanation of what that means.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list?  I don't
>recall
>seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this rather
>threatening comment.  There had been recommendations to make inquiries of
>Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone else.  I hope this
>isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the part of certain
>affiliates.
>
> Dave Shaw
>MAPICS-L manager
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>
>From: Brad Spaits <[email protected]>
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
>Infor
>license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for third
>party access of the customer's Infor XA system.
>
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>message: 2
>date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:08:33 +0000
>from: Richard Stover <[email protected]>
>subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>It appears that some folks on this email thread misunderstood my comments
>defending the reputation of the channel partners (affiliates).  I
>apologize if I was not clear.  In a prior email to the group there was a
>cautionary message that in affect said, understand the language and
>intent in your software contract with Infor before deciding the source of
>services.  There was a subsequent email suggesting that maybe channel
>partners should not be part of this email-based support group because
>they might use it as a excuse to go phishing (trolling) for business.  My
>response (I thought) clearly stated that those types of activities were
>(first) against the rules of this group, and (second) unprofessional.  I
>followed that with a statement that the channel partners work together to
>maintain their professional approach.
>
>Now, please, let's get on with the business of helping each other solve
>issues and have a positive impact on our employer's businesses.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Richard (Dick) Stover
>Consulting Manager?
>Guide Technologies, LLC
>A Gold Infor Channel Partner
>215-499-8530
>[email protected]
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>[mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>DGowen-KH87JHHfSKradGDVLbOUCQC/[email protected]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:26 AM
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing.  I do
>not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
>Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
>partners and affiliates have been very helpful.
>
>Diane Gowen
>IT Manager
>Moeller Marine Products
>
>
>
>
>From:   "Rusty Jackson" <[email protected]>
>To:     "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Date:   10/30/2012 08:19 AM
>Subject:        Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>Sent by:        mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>
>
>
>That is exactly how I read it Vanessa.  I too am an independent service
>contractor and would to understand what that means.
>
>Rusty Jackson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Vanessa King
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
>To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
>who are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement
>and "may carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
>contractor I'd like an explanation of what that means.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] [mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list?  I don't
>recall seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this
>rather threatening comment.  There had been recommendations to make
>inquiries of Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone else.
> I hope this isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the part
>of certain affiliates.
>
> Dave Shaw
>MAPICS-L manager
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>
>From: Brad Spaits <[email protected]>
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
>Infor license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for
>third party access of the customer's Infor XA system.
>
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>message: 3
>date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:40:37 -0500
>from: Ronald Kral <[email protected]>
>subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>Four or five remaining xa affiliates are trying to cover the entire United
>States, but independent service contractors like Rusty Jackson and
>non-affiliated companies hold 95% of the mapics knowledge nationwide. They
>also make up a large part of this forum as well. Richard, you should work
>nicely with everyone in order to maintain your professional approach and
>not worry so much about the "positive impact on your employer's
>business". After-all, it is the client's success that really matters.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Richard Stover <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It appears that some folks on this email thread misunderstood my
>>comments
>> defending the reputation of the channel partners (affiliates).  I
>>apologize
>> if I was not clear.  In a prior email to the group there was a
>>cautionary
>> message that in affect said, understand the language and intent in your
>> software contract with Infor before deciding the source of services.
>>There
>> was a subsequent email suggesting that maybe channel partners should
>>not be
>> part of this email-based support group because they might use it as a
>> excuse to go phishing (trolling) for business.  My response (I thought)
>> clearly stated that those types of activities were (first) against the
>> rules of this group, and (second) unprofessional.  I followed that with
>>a
>> statement that the channel partners work together to maintain their
>> professional approach.
>>
>> Now, please, let's get on with the business of helping each other solve
>> issues and have a positive impact on our employer's businesses.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Richard (Dick) Stover
>> Consulting Manager
>> Guide Technologies, LLC
>> A Gold Infor Channel Partner
>> 215-499-8530
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>[mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>> On Behalf Of DGowen-KH87JHHfSKradGDVLbOUCQC/[email protected]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:26 AM
>> To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>>
>> I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing.  I do
>> not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
>> Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
>>partners
>> and affiliates have been very helpful.
>>
>> Diane Gowen
>> IT Manager
>> Moeller Marine Products
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:   "Rusty Jackson" <[email protected]>
>> To:     "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>> Date:   10/30/2012 08:19 AM
>> Subject:        Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>> Sent by:        mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> That is exactly how I read it Vanessa.  I too am an independent service
>> contractor and would to understand what that means.
>>
>> Rusty Jackson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>[mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>> On Behalf Of Vanessa King
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
>> To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>>
>> I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
>> who are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement
>>and
>> "may carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
>> contractor I'd like an explanation of what that means.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>[mailto:mapics-l-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>> On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
>> To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>>
>> May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list?  I don't
>> recall seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this
>> rather threatening comment.  There had been recommendations to make
>> inquiries of Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone
>>else.
>>  I hope this isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the
>>part of
>> certain affiliates.
>>
>>  Dave Shaw
>> MAPICS-L manager
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>> From: Brad Spaits <[email protected]>
>> To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>> Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>>
>> Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
>> Infor license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for
>> third party access of the customer's Infor XA system.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>message: 4
>date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:05:03 +0000
>from: Vic Belebczuk <vbelebczuk-z6Jt9gKu7/O/t4LUGa9KWQC/[email protected]>
>subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>Group,
>I do not want to see this thread become a forum questioning the value of
>either Channel Partners or  "non-Infor Partner personnel".   Somehow the
>thread on SystemLink transactions took a "left turn", perhaps due to a
>user's recommendation,  I'm not really sure.  I totallly agree with the
>establishment of this group for promoting  knowledge  and  refraining
>from selling  services or showing any animosity to other members.
>However, since an  Infor Channel Partner brought it up, I am looking for
>futher clarification on the statement "using non-Infor Partner personnel
>may violate the Infor license agreement and may carry a significant
>financial remedy for third party access of the customer's Infor XA
>system" .  Since there are others that have expressed a similar  interest
>I chose not to take this off-line.  Its critical that I understand any
>potential  issues to protect my company's interests.
>Thanks.
>
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>message: 5
>date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
>from: Dave Shaw <[email protected]>
>subject: [MAPICS-L] Non-Infor Partner personnel discussion
>
>If we're going to pursue this on the list, let's change the subject
>heading,
>please.
>
>Thanks.
>
> Dave Shaw
>MAPICS-L manager
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Vic Belebczuk <vbelebczuk-z6Jt9gKu7/O/t4LUGa9KWQC/[email protected]>
>To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Sent: Tue, October 30, 2012 12:05:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
>
>Group,
>I do not want to see this thread become a forum questioning the value of
>either
>Channel Partners or  "non-Infor Partner personnel".   Somehow the thread
>on
>SystemLink transactions took a "left turn", perhaps due to a user's
>recommendation,  I'm not really sure.  I totallly agree with the
>establishment
>of this group for promoting  knowledge  and  refraining from selling
>services
>or showing any animosity to other members.   However, since an  Infor
>Channel
>Partner brought it up, I am looking for futher clarification on the
>statement
>"using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the Infor license
>agreement and
>may carry a significant financial remedy for third party access of the
>customer's Infor XA system" .  Since there are others that have expressed
>a
>similar  interest I chose not to take this off-line.  Its critical that I
>understand any potential  issues to protect my company's interests.
>
>
>
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