Re: Commands for Limited Users

We might also point out that under these circumstances, the group 
profile(s) would essentially be the only user(s) entered on the 
authorization lists.

The links in the authority chain can be very concise this way. I'd be 
interested in how Rob's group profiles were set up so that they caused 
long save-times.

Tom Liotta

john.earl wrote:
> Rob,
> 
> I don't believe Authority lists and Group Profiles are mutually
> exclusive, I think they are complimentary.  The way we have always
> practiced (and preached) it is like this:
> 
> Group Profiles are used to assemble users who do a similar function into
> a group.  Authority lists assemble objects that should be secured
> similarly into an object group.  The combination of the two provides for
> the most efficient way that I know of to secure individual objects in
> OS/400.
> 
> You could choose to use just one or the other, but they are not mutually
> exclusive.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: security400-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>> [mailto:security400-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> rob
>>
>> I much prefer authorization lists over groups.
>> Supplemental groups make
>> me shudder.  The overhead on them is tremendous.  A simple
>> SAVSYS went
>> from 4 minutes to 44 minutes when we tinkered around with
>> them.  IBM
>> dialed in and via PRTPVTAUT determined supplemental groups
>> to be the
>> culprit.  Besides, we had more supplemental groups than
>> you could put in
>> CHGUSRPRF SUPGRPPRF(...).  Lots of divisions, and then
>> each division had a
>> different software vendor between accounting and ERP.
>> When you have two
>> different divisions feeding two different fierce
>> competitors we had to
>> demonstrate a pretty solid line between the two.
>>
>>
>> "David Morris"
>> Sent by: security400-bounces-Zwy7GipZuJhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>
>> Adopted authority is nearly as outdated as limited
>> capability. It
>> doesn't work well with triggers or IFS files and is
>> incompletely
>> implemented. Adoption is ineffective in exits but based on
>> your message
>> you may have overcome some of the limitations I have run
>> up against. The
>> biggest reason to avoid adoption is that it is often
>> implemented
>> incorrectly and is frequently the source of serious
>> security problems.
>>
>> A few years back, I started using a technique that gives
>> similar
>> function by swapping in or setting effective groups and
>> supplemental
>> groups.

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