Re: V17 vs V34, MSANs and faxanswer

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Hi Lee

Thank you for getting back to me

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Lee Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 06/06/2018 03:30 AM, Christo Labuschagne wrote:
>
>>
>> We have a problem on a line (that is very far away and not manned by a
>> specialist) where sending a fax works fine but we cannot receive a fax.  It
>> answers but does not want to train or trains at 2400 and then no data gets
>> through.  A V17 fax machine works fine though.
>>
>
> Showing us a session log would be helpful.


Files attached show the two different failures I saw.  c00000006 is the one
I saw most.  c000000013 I only saw once.


>
>
> After a lot of studying of how network infrastructure works, we have
>> learned that networks use CED or /ANSam to open up the channel with either
>> T.38/G711 for CED or G711 for /ANSam.
>> Do you guys have any idea if this is correct?
>>
>
> If you must use VoIP for a fax line then you must make sure that the line
> is always G.711 or that it switches to T.38 properly.  Still, it's not
> going to be as good as a PSTN line.


Not sure in which countries you still get end to end copper PSTN lines.  I
think almost all run a VoIP backbone?  Believe me, not my first choice!


>
>
> If it is correct, have you ever had lines that does not support /ANSam?
>>
>
> Without a huge amount of luck you won't be able to do V.34 on a VoIP line
> reliably.
>
> The same modem can be connected to various interfaces, so in some cases we
>> would like to answer with V17 (PSTN) and in other cases V34 (PABX).
>> faxanswer does not have an option to specify a speed limit like sendfax has
>> with -B.  The only way I could limit the answering fax modem to answer with
>> CED is to remove the Class1EnableV34Cmd from the config.
>> Is there a way to configure the answering mode (CED or ANSam) on the fly?
>>
>
> Yes, using DynamicConfig.  See 'man hylafax-config'.
>

DynamicConfig seems to be used after modem setup.  AT+F34 is the command
used to setup V34 capabilities for the device.  This will already have been
called during modem setup before DynamicConfig gets called, correct?  This
seems to cause the next call to use the Class1EnableV34Cmd and not the
current call

For future readers of this post, here is a link to an example of
DynamicConfig:
https://www.hylafax.org/content/Handbook:Advanced_Server_Configuration:Per-call_Dynamic_Configuration


>
> http://hylafax.sourceforge.net/man/hylafax-config.php
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lee.
>

Thanks
Christo

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Lee<div><br></div><div>Thank you for getting back to me=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 8=
, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Lee Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:faxgu=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=
=3D"gmail-">On 06/06/2018 03:30 AM, Christo Labuschagne wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
We have a problem on a line (that is very far away and not manned by a spec=
ialist) where sending a fax works fine but we cannot receive a fax.=C2=A0 I=
t answers but does not want to train or trains at 2400 and then no data get=
s through.=C2=A0 A V17 fax machine works fine though.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Showing us a session log would be helpful.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Files attached show the two different failures I saw.=C2=A0 c00000006 is th=
e one I saw most.=C2=A0 c000000013 I only saw once.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"gmail-"><br=
>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
After a lot of studying of how network infrastructure works, we have learne=
d that networks use CED or /ANSam to open up the channel with either T.38/G=
711 for CED or G711 for /ANSam.<br>
Do you guys have any idea if this is correct?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
If you must use VoIP for a fax line then you must make sure that the line i=
s always G.711 or that it switches to T.38 properly.=C2=A0 Still, it&#39;s =
not going to be as good as a PSTN line.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not=
 sure in which countries you still get end to end copper PSTN lines.=C2=A0 =
I think almost all run a VoIP backbone?=C2=A0 Believe me, not my first choi=
ce!</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><span class=3D"gmail-"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If it is correct, have you ever had lines that does not support /ANSam?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Without a huge amount of luck you won&#39;t be able to do V.34 on a VoIP li=
ne reliably.<span class=3D"gmail-"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
The same modem can be connected to various interfaces, so in some cases we =
would like to answer with V17 (PSTN) and in other cases V34 (PABX).=C2=A0 f=
axanswer does not have an option to specify a speed limit like sendfax has =
with -B.=C2=A0 The only way I could limit the answering fax modem to answer=
 with CED is to remove the=C2=A0Class1EnableV34Cmd from the config.<br>
Is there a way to configure the answering mode (CED or ANSam) on the fly?<b=
r>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Yes, using DynamicConfig.=C2=A0 See &#39;man hylafax-config&#39;.<br></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>DynamicConfig seems to be used after modem setup=
.=C2=A0 AT+F34 is the command used to setup V34 capabilities for the device=
.=C2=A0 This will already have been called during modem setup before Dynami=
cConfig gets called, correct?=C2=A0 This seems to cause the next call to us=
e the Class1EnableV34Cmd and not the current call</div><div><br></div><div>=
For future readers of this post, here is a link to an example of DynamicCon=
fig:</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.hylafax.org/content/Handbook:Advanced=
_Server_Configuration:Per-call_Dynamic_Configuration">https://www.hylafax.o=
rg/content/Handbook:Advanced_Server_Configuration:Per-call_Dynamic_Configur=
ation</a><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<br>
<a href=3D"http://hylafax.sourceforge.net/man/hylafax-config.php" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">http://hylafax.sourceforge.net<wbr>/man/hylafax=
-config.php</a><br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Lee.<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks=C2=A0</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra">Christo</div></div></div>

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