Re: tl26 pretest start

Norbert Preining <[email protected]> Mon, 23 Feb 2026 21:31:37 +0100
Newsgroups gmane.comp.tex.live
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Hi Robert,

interesting discussion, indeed. I was reading up on alternative ways in
recent weeks, like sigstore, signify, etc etc etc.

> author of signify, put this:
> 
> > There are no key servers for signify. No web of trust. Just
> > keys. The good news is the keys are pretty small. As
> > demonstrated. We can stick them just about everywhere, and we
> > do. They're on the web site, they're on twitter, they're on the top
> > side of CD. 56 base64 characters. You can read it out loud over the
> > phone in under a minute. Wide dispersion makes it harder and harder
> > to intercept all the ways you may get the key and increases the risk
> > of detection should anybody try some funny business.[1]

Not convinced. Most users will not go extra to the TUG web site and
check a cryptic 56 base64 key. I don't think this is easier / more
accessible.

OTOH, I don't know how many check anyway ...

> The idea behind signify is that of trust-path, instead of web of
> trust.  That's why I came up with the idea that a TeX Live
> distribution N could include N+2 keys.  No more.  The chain is

I like the idea - independent of signify and gpg. But as of now, we just
extend the validity of the TeX Live signing key once a year.

> obviously not as robust, I completely agree with you.  But it's much
> simpler, so it's all about accurately assessing what is really lost in

What is simpler? I mean, from a user perspective? Users don't have to
type in gpg commands, right? I do expect only very few to actually be
able to verify say the installer package - independent from whether it
is gpg or signify that signs the release.

So what would become simpler?

Best regards

Norbert

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