Re: Betr.: Re: Rename strange/unexpected behavior.

Thanks for writing - sorry I didn't catch your name?
 
The Secunia software should not be complaining about the version of CVSNT that is bundled with TortoiseCVS 12.x or with CVS Suite 2009 - it has no known security issues (but the version bundled with TortoiseCVS 10.x does).
 
I paid the wages/costs of CVSNT development staff for over 6 years at a cost to me personally of at least £350,000 (probably double that), and I do not own a home or other investments, I have no benevolent provider for my home or office rent electricity and phone, and my car is a 7 years old bottom of the range Volvo.   I gave copies of this software that we developed away under no obligation and it led to specific problems that the FSF advise a paywall solves.  What you are suggesting has already been tried and failed, and now I'm trying a new way.  This new way is already successful but maybe in another 6 years we'll need to replace it with something else.  Right now - all around me I see F/OSS projects introducing 'paywalls' and all people need to realise - if you don't pay for free software (as is the FSF's advice) then in the future you will not get free software, you will only get proprietary software.  There are real tangible benefits to using Free Software and it has nothing to do with price.
 
There was a time when not charging for CVSNT was beneficial - but that time is long passed, the article I published at the time goes into much more detail - see the sections "Why is SCCM with zero-dollar price tag a good thing?" and "Why is SCCM with zero-dollar price tag a good thing?":
http://www.evscm.org//modules/Downloads/
 
CVSNT will be going for many many years in the future - continuing to lead the way in Free/Open Source Software Change and Configuration Management for commercial software development teams as we've always done.  Do you want to join the project today, or in 5 years time after wasting 5 years on tools that don't deliver tangible measurable benefits to commercial software devlopment teams?
 
I do not believe that Wikipedia and CVSNT share enough in common for casual comparison to be helpful, but here goes with my attempt at a comparison.  The only people complaining about the changes to the CVSNT project are those who are not willing to contribute which I'm happy to ignore, and Wikipedia likewise pays no attention to anyone unless they contribute.  It's all about contributing.  Wikipedia define contributing in a way that makes sense for them, and the free software foundation define contributing in a way that makes sense for Free Software, and March Hare define contributing in a way that makes sense for CVSNT.
 
Regards,
 
 
Arthur Barrett
 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: AySz88/Soup [mailto:[email protected]] 
	Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 8:29 AM
	To: Arthur Barrett
	Cc: Jan Keirse; Dries Feys; tortoisecvs-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
	Subject: Re: [TortoiseCVS] Betr.: Re: Rename strange/unexpected behavior.
	  
	

	On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Arthur Barrett <arthur.barrett-qn/[email protected]> wrote:
	

		1. People were not leaving the community - rather joining.
		
		Before we removed the zero-dollar downloads we had record numbers of
		downloads and installations of the software every day.  These people
		were not engaging in the community and not contributing towards
		development and crucially - when they experienced problems did not get
		help but tended to spread misinformation.
		
		We have a much more active community now that we've removed the
		zero-dollar downloads, because everyone who purchases CVSNT is actively
		engaged and getting support and advice about how to use it and resolve
		problems.
		


	I'll admit that I don't know what sort of community you're trying to build, but if you observe how the leaders of that area have formed their communities, that is not how they did it.  Wikipedia, linux, and phpBB, for example, attracted their communities by providing a compelling product, with the biggest attractive force being that they were offering it for free ("as in beer", as they say).  Then they attract volunteers or enthusiasts from that pool.  They do have a lot of noise in their signal, but they have so much bandwidth that it barely matters.  While charging for entry certainly restricts the type of person that wants to enter, you might want to reconsider whether it is really "growth" and whether you're barring so many people that this strategy is counterproductive long-term.  At Cornell (from which I recently graduated), they went directly from regular CVS, for teaching basic concepts, to Git and Hg for collaboration in more realistic high-octane projects.  Anecdotally, I've been quite unaware of its presence - until recently I've only known CVSNT in the context of "Secunia PSI keeps complaining about security holes in this thing that came with TortoiseCVS, but I apparently can't update it because it's behind a pay wall".

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