Re: svn commit: r1936555 - in subversion/site/staging: . blog docs docs/community-guide docs/release-notes pronunciation security style

Branko Čibej <[email protected]> Wed, 29 Jul 2026 12:58:33 +0200
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On 29. 7. 2026 11:38, Ivan Zhakov wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 19:51, Nathan Hartman 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 10:57 AM Ivan Zhakov <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >
>     > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 17:11, Nathan Hartman
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 12:40 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Author: ivan
>     >> > Date: Fri Jul 24 16:39:48 2026
>     >> > New Revision: 1936555
>     >> >
>     >> > Log:
>     >> > In site/staging:
>     >> >
>     >> > Use 'content' CSS property to add section link symbol.
>     >> >
>     >> > * style/site.css
>     >> >   (.sectionlink::before): New class. Add 'pilcrow' symbol via
>     'content' CSS
>     >> >    property.
>     >> >
>     >> > * blog/2006-09-10-EnhancingSubversionServer.html
>     >> > * blog/2007-03-27-authz-and-anon-authn-agony.html
>     >> > * blog/2007-06-13-merge_auditing.html
>     >> > * blog/2008-03-29-merging-from-foreign-repositories.html
>     >> > * blog/2008-05-06-merge-info.html
>     >> > * blog/2009-11-19-where-did-that-mergeinfo-come-from.html
>     >> > * blog/2012-10-24-reducing_network_traffic_in_subversion_1-8.html
>     >> > *
>     blog/2013-06-24-repository-dictated-configuration-part-1-inheritable-properties.html
>     >> > *
>     blog/2013-06-25-repository-dictated-configuration-part-2-autoprops.html
>     >> > *
>     blog/2013-06-26-repository-dictated-configuration-part-3-global-ignores.html
>     >> > * blog/2013-06-28-foreign-repository-copies.html
>     >> > * blog/index.html
>     >> > * contributing.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/building.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/debugging.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/general.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/issues.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/l10n.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/mailing-lists.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/roles.part.html
>     >> > * docs/community-guide/web.part.html
>     >> > * docs/index.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.1.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.10.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.11.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.12.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.13.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.14.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.15.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.2.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.3.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.4.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.5.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.6.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.6.zh.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.7.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.8.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/1.9.html
>     >> > * docs/release-notes/index.html
>     >> > * download.html
>     >> > * faq.html
>     >> > * faq.ja.html
>     >> > * faq.zh.html
>     >> > * features.html
>     >> > * ideas.html
>     >> > * index.html
>     >> > * mailing-lists.html
>     >> > * news.html
>     >> > * opw.html
>     >> > * packages.html
>     >> > * pronunciation/index.html
>     >> > * quick-start.html
>     >> > * reporting-issues.html
>     >> > * roadmap.html
>     >> > * security/index.html
>     >> > * source-code.html
>     >> >   Remove "&para;" from section links: we add it via 'content'
>     CSS property.
>     >>
>     >> Hi,
>     >>
>     >> Sorry, this change doesn't seem to work on Firefox.
>     >>
>     >> I am using the very latest Firefox, version 153.0.1.
>     >>
>     > I am using Firefox 153.0.1 and it works for me.
>     >
>     > I have also tested Microsoft Edge 150.0.4078.99 and it also works.
>     >
>     > May it's some kind of caching issue?
>
>
>     You are correct, it was a caching issue. This confused me because I
>     believed that I had force-reloaded the page. However, I just checked
>     and it turns out that Cmd + R only reloads the HTML. You have to press
>     Cmd + Shift + R to also reload stylesheets. I had forgotten this.
>
>     Strangely, an earlier change of the stylesheets (to add td.success,
>     td.warning, td.danger) took effect here without any special action on
>     my part.
>
>     This issue is rather annoying. I was searching for a reliable method
>     to force browsers to reload CSS when it changes without forcing a
>     reload every time the page is accessed. One StackOverflow page [1]
>     contains an entire debate about this. The most simplistic idea from
>     that page is to rename the CSS file with some sort of monotonically
>     increasing version number in the filename each time the file is
>     edited. This method would always work; the downside is that it would
>     necessitate changes to all the files across the site, each time we
>     edit the CSS. That could be annoying for us.
>
> An alternative solution would be to add a query argument and increment 
> it on every CSS change. Something like this:
> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/style/site.css?v=1" type="text/css" 
> media="all">
>
> But we would still have to update 63 HTML files on every CSS change. 
> I'm not sure it is worth it, but I can do this


It's not worth it. Some browsers are just notorious for caching too 
much. That is not the case for Firefox – the difference between 
^R/Shift-^R (or ⌘R/Shift-⌘R on the Mac) is well known. Safari, on the 
other hand, is way too smart, it doesn't have an equivalent to Shift-⌘R 
and will happily cache CSS and favicons and such even when they no 
longer exist at the source...

TL;DR: This will only happen to people who are regularly tracking the 
changing staging web site.

-- Brane

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29. 7. 2026 11:38, Ivan Zhakov
      wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 19:51, Nathan Hartman
            &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>&gt;
            wrote:</div>
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            <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On
              Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 10:57 AM Ivan Zhakov &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 17:11, Nathan Hartman &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 12:40 PM &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; Author: ivan<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; Date: Fri Jul 24 16:39:48 2026<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; New Revision: 1936555<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; Log:<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; In site/staging:<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; Use 'content' CSS property to add section
              link symbol.<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * style/site.css<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;   (.sectionlink::before): New class. Add
              'pilcrow' symbol via 'content' CSS<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;    property.<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2006-09-10-EnhancingSubversionServer.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2007-03-27-authz-and-anon-authn-agony.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * blog/2007-06-13-merge_auditing.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2008-03-29-merging-from-foreign-repositories.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * blog/2008-05-06-merge-info.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2009-11-19-where-did-that-mergeinfo-come-from.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2012-10-24-reducing_network_traffic_in_subversion_1-8.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
blog/2013-06-24-repository-dictated-configuration-part-1-inheritable-properties.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2013-06-25-repository-dictated-configuration-part-2-autoprops.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
blog/2013-06-26-repository-dictated-configuration-part-3-global-ignores.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              blog/2013-06-28-foreign-repository-copies.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * blog/index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * contributing.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/building.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/debugging.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/general.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/issues.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/l10n.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; *
              docs/community-guide/mailing-lists.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/roles.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/community-guide/web.part.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.1.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.10.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.11.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.12.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.13.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.14.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.15.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.2.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.3.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.4.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.5.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.6.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.6.zh.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.7.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.8.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/1.9.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * docs/release-notes/index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * download.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * faq.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * faq.ja.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * faq.zh.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * features.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * ideas.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * mailing-lists.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * news.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * opw.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * packages.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * pronunciation/index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * quick-start.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * reporting-issues.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * roadmap.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * security/index.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt; * source-code.html<br>
              &gt;&gt; &gt;   Remove "&amp;para;" from section links: we
              add it via 'content' CSS property.<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; Sorry, this change doesn't seem to work on
              Firefox.<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; I am using the very latest Firefox, version
              153.0.1.<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt; I am using Firefox 153.0.1 and it works for me.<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; I have also tested Microsoft Edge 150.0.4078.99 and
              it also works.<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; May it's some kind of caching issue?<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              You are correct, it was a caching issue. This confused me
              because I<br>
              believed that I had force-reloaded the page. However, I
              just checked<br>
              and it turns out that Cmd + R only reloads the HTML. You
              have to press<br>
              Cmd + Shift + R to also reload stylesheets. I had
              forgotten this.<br>
              <br>
              Strangely, an earlier change of the stylesheets (to add
              td.success,<br>
              td.warning, td.danger) took effect here without any
              special action on<br>
              my part.<br>
              <br>
              This issue is rather annoying. I was searching for a
              reliable method<br>
              to force browsers to reload CSS when it changes without
              forcing a<br>
              reload every time the page is accessed. One StackOverflow
              page [1]<br>
              contains an entire debate about this. The most simplistic
              idea from<br>
              that page is to rename the CSS file with some sort of
              monotonically<br>
              increasing version number in the filename each time the
              file is<br>
              edited. This method would always work; the downside is
              that it would<br>
              necessitate changes to all the files across the site, each
              time we<br>
              edit the CSS. That could be annoying for us.<br>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
            <span>
              <div>An alternative solution would be to add a query
                argument and increment it on every CSS change. Something
                like this:<br>
                &lt;link rel="stylesheet" href="/style/site.css?v=1"
                type="text/css" media="all"&gt;<br>
                <br>
                But we would still have to update 63 HTML files on every
                CSS change. I'm not sure it is worth it, but I can do
                this<br>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    It's not worth it. Some browsers are just notorious for caching too
    much. That is not the case for Firefox – the difference between
    ^R/Shift-^R (or ⌘R/Shift-⌘R on the Mac) is well known. Safari, on
    the other hand, is way too smart, it doesn't have an equivalent to
    Shift-⌘R and will happily cache CSS and favicons and such even when
    they no longer exist at the source...<br>
    <br>
    TL;DR: This will only happen to people who are regularly tracking
    the changing staging web site.<br>
    <br>
    -- Brane<br>
    <br>
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