Re: *** RESPECTFULLY NOT SPAM *** Weekly Development Notes Followup

Hi Ryan,

I am not Dalai, but as Developer Community Coordinator I will try to answer.

1) As Ankit already mentioned, the message was likely marked as spam by 
some e-mail filter. Nothing more :)

2) Bastien replied to your mail and explained the situation and the 
reason for his note in the report. He also apologized and confirmed that 
it was not meant as a personal attack.

The Blender developers do their best to communicate professionally and 
friendly. In my (round about) 7 years as contributor, in my free time, I 
always felt welcome.
There were of course times, when I disagreed with the decisions made by 
module owners or the admins. At times this was a little bit frustrating. 
But the communication was always professional and friendly.

We can of course argue about remarks such as the "(sigh...") in a 
report, but Bastien explained the situation and I don't see a personal 
attack in there, only a little bit of frustration and a remark that is 
human.

Best regards,
Thomas

Am 24.09.2021 um 07:59 schrieb Ryan Inch via Bf-committers:
> Thanks for your quick reply Bastian.  My email wasn't a prompt to be 
> defensive but a request for clarification from Dalai as the Blender 
> Development Coordinator.  Depending on what Dalai says, I'll follow up 
> with your points if need be because this is not about me but how 
> community developers are treated.
>
> Dalai, as Blender Development Coordinator, one specific request from 
> the Epic MegaGrant was to make Blender more professional.  I and other 
> community devs and members do not think this kind of notation is 
> professional.  It also disincentivizes engagement between core devs 
> and community devs who do consider this a type of attack.
>
> So again, my question to you as the Blender Development Coordinator is 
> 'In what case is it acceptable for a developer to put something like 
> "Spent time on re-explaining/re-investigating T9599 (sigh…)." in their 
> official weekly development notes?' And now, in what case is it 
> acceptable to mark an email asking about such an issue as spam?  I was 
> under the impression that personal attacks were not tolerated?
>
> Ryan
>
> On 2021-09-21 06:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:20:11 +0200
>> From: Bastien Montagne <[email protected]>
>> To: Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] *** SPAM *** Weekly Development Notes
>>     Followup
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> Not sure how you see that as a personal attack? Fact is, I think
>> spending half a day on something does earns it a note in the weekly 
>> report.
>>
>> And yes, I was frustrated spending time having to demo the issue after
>> explaining it's cause/source, finding again the exact use case
>> triggering it, rebuilding both branch and master to ensure it was proper
>> example, etc. We all have (tight) schedules and I was frustrated this
>> was considered high priority enough to take it over more pressing
>> matters for Blender 3.0 upcoming BCon2.
>>
>> I know that expressing personal frustration may not be a good idea, but
>> that does not in any case make it a personal attack, sorry if you felt
>> it like that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bastien.
>>
>> On 9/21/21 8:49 AM, Ryan Inch via Bf-committers wrote:
>>> Hello Dalai,
>>> I missed reading Bastien's weekly notes last week or I would have
>>> brought this issue up then.  In Bastien's notes for Week 425 - 09/04
>>> to 09/10, one of his notes is this: "Spent time on
>>> re-explaining/re-investigating T9599 (sigh…)."
>>>
>>> In what case is it acceptable for a developer to put something like
>>> this in their official weekly development notes?  I was under the
>>> impression that personal attacks were not tolerated?  (And for the
>>> record it's D9599 not T)
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
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