Re: [CinePaint] cinepaint vs Gimp

Possibly you missed the irony.  I enjoy rolling my own and,like you, can
find a solution in one of the various open source image manipulation
programs on offer.  I wandered off the track for three paragraphs
looking at the grass on the other side and then smartly came back to the
straight and narrow when I realised the price of PS was selling my soul
to MS.

That said, as Cinepaint is being increasingly used for still images,
some of the features of GIMP may be usefully incorporated.

Ron

On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 12:34 -0500, Frank Peters wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:49:55 +0000
> Ron Hickson <ron-H+SwEB6EEwZWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > That's sad for those of us who don't (won't) use Microsoft.  Perhaps now
> > is the time to give up boycott - ineffective anyway - swallow pride and
> > buy the damn stuff!
> > 
> 
> It all boils down to a matter of attitude.  Some people are committed
> to the spirit of Open Source and will be willing to put up with the
> shortcomings, the roughness, and the inconvenience.  Others have
> expectations that all software should be perfect and omnipotent and
> allow the user to be liberated from all concerns.
> 
> Why use a primitive axe when you can enjoy a powerful chainsaw?
> 
> Personally, in spite of the difficulty, I have come to prefer
> the lowly axe.  It forces one to become more adept and creative
> and to become more involved and intimate with the work.
> 
> Digital image processing, especially for the novice, involves
> a great deal of learning, but the high-end commercial packages,
> such as PhotoShop, tend to greatly isolate the user from the
> underlying concepts and mechanisms.  On the other hand, some
> Open Source utilities, such as Netpbm or ImageMagick, present
> only a basic set of image tools that enable the user to explore
> in detail the otherwise hidden mechanisms.  Most likely such
> "bare bones" software would fail commercially but fortunately
> it is widely available under Open Source.
> 
> For me, the challenge is to find the Open Source tools that
> can fit the need.  If Cinepaint fails, then I will attempt to
> forge some other solution using Netpbm or ImageMagick along with
> shell scripts.  Perl and Python offer image modules that I have
> yet to investigate.  This kind of diverse approach, although it
> may be more painstaking and cumbersome, allows me to better
> understand the concepts that underlie each kind of transformation
> -- and that is just as much a goal as is the final product.
> 
> But, since others are voicing their dissatisfactions about Cinepaint,
> I will contribute just one of mine.  Oftentimes I will need to
> create a new image by cutting or copying a portion of another
> image.  In the GIMP, opening a new window (File -> New...) after
> copying a selection to the clipboard will automatically enter the
> size of the copied portion.  This allows the selection to be immediately
> pasted into the new window without overflow or underflow.  With
> Cinepaint, however, this adjustment does not automatically occur.
> The user must manually adjust the size of the new window to
> fit the selection and it is nearly impossible to do the adjustment
> correctly.
> 
> I have other complaints as well, but I realize the extreme difficulty
> it is for a small band of volunteers to get a project of this
> magnitude into a highly polished form.  That Cinepaint even exists
> at all is, to me, a worthy accomplishment.  After all, Cinepaint
> was the first comprehensive Open Source package to venture into the
> realm of higher bit levels.  It's lack of absolute perfection can
> only be blamed on a lack of participants in its development.
> 
> Frank Peters
> 
> 
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