Re: [Gimp-developer] Fw: Suggestd enhancement

Replying to Adalbert now,

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 21:49:21 +0300
Shlomi Fish <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Adalbert!
> 
> Please reply to list next times, see:
> 
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> 
> You sent this message in private and it was misclassified as spam (which may
> be my filters' fault).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Shlomi
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:36:26 +0200
> From: Adalbert Hanßen <[email protected]>
> To: Shlomi Fish <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestd enhancement
> 
> 
> Shlomi,
> 
> thank you for your answer. I encountered the problem with GIMP 2.8.22 which I
> preferred to use because GIMP 2.10 came as a snap installation and that did
> not cooperate with my delayed xfce4-screenshooter starter
> 
> xfce4-screenshooter -fmd 7 -o gimp
> 
> (unfortunately I use version 1.8.2 of xfce4-screenshooter which does not allow
> to set the output directory and the standard output directory /tmp is not
> available in the snap-installed GiIMP 2.10.)
> 
> Now I realized that I can use the snap installed version of GIMP in parallel
> to the installed 2.8.22. Now put some text onto the clipboard and I realized
> that your observation is right. I do not have klipper installed on my
> computer. I got the message "die Zwischenablage enthält keine Bilddaten, die
> eingefügt werden können" (no image data on the clipboard).
> 
> However this might have been not the right test since the older version does
> the same! You may be right, that
> 
> xfce4-screenshooter -crm
> 
> sometimes does not put an image onto the clipboard although I select a
> rectangular part of the screen. I'll come back to that when I have an example
> which does not work wit 2.8.22 but does with 1.10.20 (or does not work with
> that one).
> 

Thanks! You may be able to find an updated /usr/bin/gimp in a distro upgrade.

> > The problem with greying out menu options is that often the user is unable
> > to tell why they are greyed out, and what to do to reenable them. So it
> > will be a usability issue. A note "no pastable image on the clipboard" on
> > the status bar would tell the reason. < Furthermore, GIMP will need to
> > query the clipboard before displaying the menu bar or menu which will
> > likely also be time consuming on your end.    
> 
> Of course one would have to enquire the type of stuff on the clipboard. But I
> think that will be much faster than what GIMP does. Apparently if you had an
> image on the clipboard and then copy some text to it, then GIMP still pastes
> the image. So the clipboard in Xubuntu seems to be a bit more complicated than
> I thought before. I don't know for sure what GIMP really does if the content
> of the clipboard is "no graphics object", like some text or some table or a
> pointer to an file which is not an image... Those who are prepared to debug
> GIMP might take a look what happens until GIMP finally throws in the towel
> because there is no graphics on the clipboard. I guess that's much more work
> until it finally throws and recovers from such an event and therefore my idea
> was that it is better to check that earlier. But perhaps just that already has
> happened between 2.8.22 and 2.10.20.
> 

X.org has several clipboards - "primary", "secondary" - it's a bit of a mess:

see e,g:
https://metacpan.org/source/SHLOMIF/Clipboard-0.26/lib/Clipboard/Xclip.pm .

> Kind regards
> 
> Adalbert Hanßen
> 

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