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[07:54] <bluejay> Is `gst-launch-0.7 filesrc location="file.flac" ! flacdec ! vorbisenc ! filesink location="file.ogg"` the right way to transcode with gst?
[07:54] <bluejay> Do I need something else to get the tags too?
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[08:16] <bitpoet> bluejay: looks ok to me (assuming it works), and i don't know
[08:20] <bluejay> bitpoet: It seemed to work, but didn't catch the tags. I see the flactag plugin but no plugin to add tag info to any format or even to output it.
[08:28] <bitpoet> sorry, i'm kind of new at this.  if there's no documentation, you might try looking for other programs that use gstreamer and write tags.
[08:30] <bluejay> np. thanks anyway
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[09:02] Action: Company searches for "windows source" on emule
[09:02] Action: Company wonders how many of those 200+ .zip files are porn
[09:04] Action: Company wonders if writing a xine plugin would kill gst because both have their own ffmpeg
[09:05] <ds> only if they're loaded at the same time
[09:06] <ds> we could reasonably hide all the symbols in ffmpeg
[09:06] <Company> i dunno how xine works
[09:06] <Company> i only know that they grab ffmpeg cvs just like we
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[09:07] <Company> i was looking through the xine code the last days instead of working
[09:08] <Company> looking through source works with webcvs when you only have an xp machine...
[09:12] <Company> xine uses -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wnested-externs -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes btw
[09:17] <thaytan> where do you work, Company?
[09:18] <Company> Lufthansa
[09:19] <Company> doing student stuff
[09:20] <thaytan> database work mainly, then, or do they do other things?
[09:20] <Company> databases, office stuff
[09:21] <Company> like maintaining the template for the 300 page agreements
[09:21] <Company> ... in word
[09:21] <thaytan> yeah, I've done that sort of thing before
[09:21] <thaytan> and Lotus Notes databases, urk! :)
[09:22] <Company> nope, we have IT stuff for "global" things :)
[09:22] <Company> and no notes, we're on exchange
[09:22] <Company> and Novell
[09:26] <thaytan> infiltrate them with linux ;)
[09:28] <Company> i'm not working in the IT department :p
[09:29] <Company> and IT still does big SAP and Peoplesoft buy-in
[09:30] <Company> though the lufthansa.com webservers are already Apache/Linux and they're running squid
[09:30] <thaytan> the edge servers are the best place, yeah
[09:31] <thaytan> Cisra (where I work) has BSD and linux boxes all over the server room
[09:31] <thaytan> but the workstations are mainly XP
[09:31] <Company> we're making the switch to XP atm
[09:32] <Company> they considered linux, but were afraid of being early so they took XP
[09:33] <Company> from what they say and my view of the open source desktop, the next switch in 5 years time will be Linux
[09:35] <thaytan> This year will see a lot of high-profile migrations, I believe
[09:37] Action: sxpert is away: time to go to work
[09:41] <Company> i hope so, that'll get me paid in the future ;)
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[10:14] <mathrick> mornin
[10:14] <thaytan> yo
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[10:15] <mathrick> lo teuf :)
[10:15] <thomasvs> mornmorn
[10:15] <mathrick> hiya shawarma
[10:15] <shawarma> Hey!
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[10:55] <apoc> yo
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[10:56] <apoc> hm someone stole my nickname :(
[10:56] <mathrick> apoc: use NickServ :)
[10:57] <apoc> mathrick: NickServ ask me to enter a password ... i think is a bit late ;)
[10:57] <apoc> s/is/it's/
[10:58] <apoc> mathrick : how does NickServ work ?
[10:59] <mathrick> apoc: simple, you just /nickserv register, and later on, when connecting to server, you can /nickserv identify to prove you're really yourself. That gives you few nice services to use
[10:59] <mathrick> apoc: like killing a ghost, kicking nick thief and such
[11:00] <apoc> mathrick: ok thanks
[11:00] <bitpoet> what time zone are you guys in?  you seem to keep the weirdest hours.
[11:01] <mathrick> apoc: one thing I don't seem to be able to do is to set access list, which would relieve me from manually sending pass after nick change. It keeps complaining host mask has too long username
[11:01] <mathrick> bitpoet: GMT +2:00 ATM
[11:01] <thomasvs> bitpoet: GMT+1
[11:01] <mathrick> bitpoet: GMT +1:00 in summer
[11:01] <bitpoet> ah, that would explain it.  :-)
[11:01] <apoc> bitpoet: GMT+1
[11:02] <mathrick> hmm, or was it the other way around?
[11:02] Action: mathrick is no good when it comes to DST math
[11:03] Action: bitpoet is GMT-8
[11:03] <teuf> mathrick: it's the other way round here, gmt+2 during summer, and gmt+1 during winter
[11:04] <mathrick> teuf: ahh, ok :)
[11:04] <sxpert_work> do we have a flite plugin ?
[11:04] <sxpert_work> (I know there's a Festival plugin, but flite is so much better for small systems)
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[11:16] <mathrick> urk, this nickserv access list thing overhelms me :\
[11:16] <mathrick> thomasvs: do you use nickserv?
[11:19] <iain> mathrick: whats the problem?
[11:21] <thomasvs> mathrick: yep
[11:21] <mathrick> iain: I can't come up with hostmask nickserv would recognize as me
[11:21] <thomasvs> but not with an access list
[11:21] <mathrick> i tried *[email protected]
[11:21] <mathrick> but it doesn't work
[11:21] <mathrick> ie. it stilll asks me to authorize after nick change
[11:22] <mathrick> also [email protected] and [email protected] don't work
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[11:30] <iain> *!*mathrick should do it
[11:30] <iain> *!*[email protected] should do it
[11:31] <iain> oh, no, I'm talking crap
[11:31] <iain> try just *@Zietka-18.a-inter.net
[11:31] <mathrick> iain: tried, no go
[11:32] <iain> weird, I dunno then
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[11:42] <mathrick> shawarma: does it work for you?
[11:42] Nick change: shawarma -> shawarma|test
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[11:42] <shawarma> mathrick: Nope. Crap.
[11:43] Nick change: shawarma -> shawarma|test
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[11:43] <shawarma> Still no.
[11:45] Action: mathrick tries nagging another freenode staff member :)
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[11:50] <shawarma> #gstreamer - Now with excessive nick changes.
[11:50] Nick change: shawarma -> shawarma|test
[11:50] <mathrick> :)
[11:50] Nick change: shawarma|test -> shawarma
[11:50] <shawarma> I set automask on and it still doesn't work. It must be nickserv that's b0rken.
[11:51] <mathrick> yep, looks like it. Or maybe there's something we don't know about ;)
[11:52] <shawarma> That's what I though up until I did the automask thing. In that case there's something nickserv doesn't know about either. :-)
[11:52] <mathrick> shawarma: automask?
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[11:52] Action: mathrick reads help :)
[11:52] <shawarma> mathrick: /m nickserv set automask on
[11:52] <ensonic> re
[11:53] <mathrick> re ensonic
[11:53] <shawarma> mathrick: That makes nickserv automatically add your hostmask to your access list when you identify yourselv.
[11:53] <mathrick> shawarma: yep, read that in help already :)
[11:53] <shawarma> mathrick: So if you connect from the same machine again some time, you SHOULD be automatically accepted.
[11:54] <shawarma> mathrick: And that doesn't work either. Maybe they disabled access lists alltogether.
[11:54] <mathrick> huh? I did /nick mathrick|test, and got somethig like that: 
[11:54] <mathrick> --- mathrick|test :The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode)
[11:55] <mathrick> ahh, I'm on #freenode, this explains that :)
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[11:59] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|test
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[12:00] <shawarma> I think I've got it now!
[12:01] <mathrick> shawarma: yes? I hear you
[12:01] Nick change: shawarma -> shawarma|test
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[12:01] <shawarma> Nickserv is a bit slow right now..
[12:02] <mathrick> shawarma: but it works for you now?
[12:02] <shawarma> Nah, it doesn't look like it.
[12:03] <mathrick> :\
[12:03] Nick change: shawarma -> shawarma|test
[12:03] Nick change: shawarma|test -> shawarma
[12:03] <shawarma> Hey!
[12:03] <shawarma> that did it!
[12:04] <shawarma> mathrick: /m nickserv set unsecure on
[12:04] <mathrick> lol
[12:04] <shawarma> Right, I'm off to lunch now.
[12:05] <mathrick> cya
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[12:32] <shawarma> Which channel would I go to for help on creating a Makefile.am?
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[12:44] <mathrick> shawarma: #devtools it seems
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[13:00] <shawarma> mathrick: Right. Thanks.
[13:02] <mathrick> shawarma: does BitchX have function to search channels for name/topic? It's really useful at times like this
[13:08] <shawarma> mathrick: I'm not sure. What do you use?
[13:08] <teuf> thomasvs: did you have a look at the LIBXML2_REQ issues I mentioned yesterday ?
[13:09] <mathrick> shawarma: Xchat2
[13:09] <mathrick> shawarma: it's named "channel list" here
[13:09] <thomasvs> teuf: no, lemme check now
[13:10] <thomasvs> teuf: you are right, removing
[13:21] <ensonic> anyone knows the irc-nick of benjamin otte (and if he is here from time to time)
[13:21] <teuf> ensonic: Company
[13:23] <ensonic> teuf: ahh thx ;-)
[13:23] <mathrick> ensonic: yep, he's here daily
[13:24] <ensonic> mathrick: yes, I alreay chatted with him, I just did not know that he is benjamin (I need to talk to him about the clock stuff)
[13:28] <thomasvs> ensonic: *please* mail the mailing list, it is more productive
[13:28] <thomasvs> ensonic: just get him to reply to your questions there
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[13:31] <ensonic> thomasvs: I've already write two mails to the list (11.Feb, 12.Feb)
[13:31] <thomasvs> ensonic: yeah, so poke him for a reply
[13:31] <ensonic> thomasvs: I'll do when he is here
[13:57] <thomasvs> teuf: done, thanks
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[14:15] Action: dolphy builds 0.7.4 to check if matthias's crashed are due to old video sinks..
[14:15] Action: ensonic is away: I am nicht hier at the computer
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[14:20] <thaytan> thomasvs: which part of barcelona are you in? Are Reus or Girona airports anywhere nearby?
[14:21] <thomasvs> thaytan: I don't know reus
[14:21] <thomasvs> thaytan: girona is 90 km, about an hour bus ride to my house
[14:21] <thomasvs> thaytan: just regular barcelona airport (with virgin or easyjet) is simplest
[14:24] <thaytan> umm, is that virgin-express.com?
[14:25] <thaytan> they claim to not have any flights from london to anywhere except brussels
[14:25] <thomasvs> thaytan: hm, possible.  easyjet does though
[14:25] <thomasvs> you want to go from bcn to london, is that it ?
[14:26] <thaytan> looking at easyjet now
[14:26] <thaytan> yep
[14:26] <thaytan> return
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[14:30] <thaytan> we want to fly from London to Barcelona to arrive either late on the 20th April, or early 21st
[14:30] <thaytan> and return to london either late on the 23rd, or very early 24th (to catch our midday plane back to .au)
[14:30] <thaytan> I need to learn more about the geography in london first :)
[14:30] <thaytan> easyjet looks like the ticket though
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[15:27] <thomasvs> mathrick: ping ?
[15:27] <mathrick> thomasvs: pong
[15:28] <thomasvs> mathrick: am dissecting gst-ffmpeg now, need a test rabbit soon
[15:29] <mathrick> thomasvs: hehe, I can try :)
[15:30] Action: zaheerm is working on MacOSX's AudioHardware HAL api
[15:31] <sxpert_work> thomasvs: I have a few Xvid files if needed :D
[15:31] <thomasvs> go zaheerm !
[15:31] <thomasvs> sxpert_work: not yet, I'm not touching the code, it smells like dung
[15:31] <mathrick> zaheerm: is separate audio HAL needed on MacOSX? I'd have thought it's already provided by OS itself ?
[15:32] <zaheerm> mathrick: thats the name of the api :)
[15:32] <mathrick> zaheerm: ahh, that explains things :)
[15:32] <zaheerm> im playing with it to get accustomed to it
[15:32] <zaheerm> be4 i write the sink/src/mixer elements
[15:33] <thomasvs> zaheerm: do you have more than one osx machine ?
[15:33] <thomasvs> zaheerm: also, it would help out if you oculd review osx patches we receive from time to time
[15:34] <thomasvs> mathrick: ok, check out gst-ffmpeg module from cvs, autogen it, and run make distcheck - tell me if that works
[15:34] <mathrick> zaheerm: bluejay was working on OSX portability, you'd probably want to talk with him
[15:34] <mathrick> thomasvs: k
[15:35] <zaheerm> ok
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[15:41] <mathrick> thomasvs: how am I supposed to use -p and -s options of gst-inspect ? they seem broken to me
[15:43] <thomasvs> mathrick: good question - never used them before myself
[15:43] <mathrick> thomasvs: also, would it be OK to create gst-common manpage explaining common gst options, and each tool would then list only specific ones?
[15:44] <thomasvs> mathrick: I guess, but you shouldn't ask me :) ask the ML
[15:44] <mathrick> thomasvs: k :)
[15:48] <thomasvs> mathrick: how's gst-ffmpeg working for you ?
[15:48] Action: thomasvs wants to jump ship
[15:50] <mathrick> thomasvs: still slurping :)
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[15:58] <ibsteveog> bitpoet: how goes your x11src?
[16:02] <bluejay> zaheerm: I only submitted patches to make gst compile on OSX. I didn't actually get anywhere trying to write an audiounitsink.
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[16:03] <bluejay> Does gst transcoding with tags work yet?
[16:03] <teuf> bluejay: yep
[16:03] <thomasvs> mathrick: (...waiting... :))
[16:04] <sgbirch> newbie ... does gstreamer have a source that can accept broadcast IP?
[16:04] <mathrick> thomasvs: compilation and installation was super-smooth, but trying  ffenc_mpeg4 ! ffdec_mpeg4 crashed. Probably b/c I have old gst-plugins build I didn't uninstall :)
[16:04] <mathrick> thomasvs: show some patience, will you? ;)
[16:04] <bluejay> teuf: What's the command line? I tried `gst-launch-0.7 filesrc location="file.flac" ! flacdec ! vorbisenc ! filesink location="file.ogg"` and it didn't get the tags.
[16:04] <mathrick> sgbirch: what do you mean by broadcast?
[16:05] <teuf> bluejay: I'm not sure vorbisenc supports tags
[16:05] <teuf> bluejay: first, use -t to make it display the tags
[16:05] <teuf> (dunno if it's necessary to use it or not)
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[16:05] <teuf> and I'd try with lame to check whether this is an issue with vorbisenc or something else
[16:06] <bluejay> teuf: ok, *trying lame*
[16:06] <sgbirch> Sorry, I mean multicast IP
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[16:07] <mathrick> sgbirch: you mean for receiving multicast? is something special required for that?
[16:08] <thomasvs> mathrick: well, if compilation worked, I'm going to remove it from gst-plugins now
[16:08] <mathrick> thomasvs: bottom line is: rocks :)
[16:08] <mathrick> yay for gst-ffmpeg :)
[16:08] <teuf> thomasvs: you're splitting gst-plugins ?
[16:09] <zaheerm> bluejay: u would use audiounits rather than the Audio HAL?
[16:09] <sgbirch> Yes, the IP packates are transmitted to a number of hosts at the same time. The receiver has to create a socket on the specified multicast address
[16:10] <bluejay> zaheerm: That's what I was thinking of, but I don't remember exactly why. Could have been because audiounits are a framework very similar to gst, so I thought it might be simpler. The AudioHAL will probably run faster though.
[16:10] <bluejay> teuf: lame didn't catch the tags either, but -t did print them.
[16:10] <sgbirch> I was hoping the udp src would work with muticast, but there is no way to specify the address
[16:11] <teuf> bluejay: that's weird, it used to work ;)
[16:11] <teuf> though I'm not sure I ever tested transcoding from flac
[16:11] <bluejay> teuf: I updated to CVS head last night
[16:11] <zaheerm> bluejay: the AudioHAL seems as if it gives capabilities similar to what OSS gives Linux
[16:12] <teuf> bluejay: now you can try with a vorbis file as input and lame as output ;)
[16:12] <bluejay> teuf: *trying*
[16:12] <thomasvs> teuf: for now, only gst-ffmpeg
[16:12] <thomasvs> teuf: we can't distribute it on gnome anyway
[16:12] <thomasvs> woah - get two more people to join and we reach a record 50 :)
[16:13] <teuf> thomasvs: why can't you ?
[16:13] <thomasvs> teuf: have you seen what source code is in the ffmpeg source ? :)
[16:13] <zaheerm> bluejay: but yes...reading the AudioUnits stuff...it seems to offer similar capabilities
[16:13] <thomasvs> teuf: I cannot comment further or the MPAA will arrest me
[16:13] <bluejay> teuf: vorbisfile didn't print any tags, but `vorbiscomment` does.
[16:14] <bluejay> zaheerm: I didn't think on it very hard. You probably already know more than I found out.
[16:15] <mathrick> bluejay: btw, vorbisfile is deprecated now, use oggdemux and vorbisdec
[16:16] <bluejay> mathrick: :-P it was the preferred one last time I checked!
[16:17] <bluejay> mad didn't get any tags either. . .
[16:17] <mathrick> bluejay: it == vorbisdec? it was before Company rewro^Wfixed it ;)
[16:17] <mathrick> s/vorbisdec/vorbisfile/
[16:17] <bluejay> yeah
[16:18] <mathrick> bluejay: but seriously, it's way better than vorbisfile
[16:18] <bluejay> oggdemux didn't even play it. (command line `gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location=Jethro\ Tull\ -\ Cup\ Of\ Wonder.ogg ! oggdemux ! osssink`)
[16:18] <mathrick> bluejay: b/c it's probably the first implementation of ogg demuxer that doesn't decode vorbis at the same time
[16:18] <mathrick> bluejay: of course it didn't
[16:18] <mathrick> bluejay: it's demux only, not decoder
[16:19] <bluejay> so, vorbisdec after oggdemux?
[16:19] <bluejay> nope
[16:19] <mathrick> bluejay: yep, something like that
[16:19] <bluejay> "WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link vorbisdec0 to osssink0"
[16:20] <bluejay> spider got the tags. How can I see what elements spider picked?
[16:21] <mathrick> bluejay: ! float22int
[16:21] <mathrick> bluejay: IIRC
[16:21] <mathrick> bluejay: you cannot, not w/o hacking, and certainly not from gst-launch
[16:22] <mathrick> bluejay: AFAIK, spider is to be considered black box, and tinkerink with it is highly discouraged
[16:23] <bluejay> mathrick: `gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location=Jethro\ Tull\ -\ Cup\ Of\ Wonder.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec ! float2int ! osssink` gives me WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link vorbisdec0 to float2int0
[16:23] <mathrick> bluejay: did you run with -v ? what were the caps?
[16:24] <bluejay> "/pipeline0/float2int0.src: caps = audio/x-raw-int" looks wrong.
[16:25] <mathrick> bluejay: why? it should be like that
[16:25] <bluejay> oh, right. I keep getting src and sink mixed up.
[16:25] <bluejay> vorbisdec isn't mentioned
[16:26] <mathrick> bluejay: hmm, link it to fakesink instead of float2int and look at caps
[16:27] <mathrick> bluejay: but it doesn't have anything except audio/x-raw-float in template, which doesn't leave too much choice ;)
[16:27] <bluejay> mathrick: yeah, it produced x-raw-float
[16:27] <mathrick> bluejay: so it should be accepted by float2int
[16:29] <bluejay> yeah. should
[16:30] <bluejay> `gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location="Jethro Tull - Cup Of Wonder.ogg" ! oggdemux ! spider ! lame ! filesink location=Jethro\ Tull\ -\ Cup\ Of\ Wonder.mp3` printed tags but didn't preserve them.
[16:31] <teuf> bluejay: maybe something got borked then :-/
[16:32] <mathrick> bluejay: you should probably poke Company then, he's the one who wrote tags and oggdemux :)
[16:32] <bluejay> 'k. Thanks. :)
[16:32] <teuf> bluejay: or maybe spider ate the tags in the last example
[16:34] <bluejay> teuf: ` gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location="Strawberry Fields Forever.mp3" ! {mad,spider} ! osssink` doesn't print tags or I'd try an mp3->mp3
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[16:38] <mathrick> bluejay: iirc, it's id3tag who gets tag from mp3
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[16:39] <thomasvs> iain_: which part ?
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[16:39] <bluejay> mathrick: hmm, buffer-frames is 0 in vorbisdec but [1..] in float2int
[16:42] <iain_> thomasvs: most of it
[16:42] <iain_> ie I have no clue what its trying to tell me
[16:42] <iain_> and why something isn't working
[16:43] <bluejay> mathrick: id3tag does read the tags, but doesn't (of course) play the music. So I'm not sure what pipeline to set up to copy mp3->mp3
[16:43] <mathrick> bluejay: I remeber some discussion recently, 0 IIRC means undefined. It's float2intnew or something that Company created fro that
[16:44] <mathrick> bluejay: AFAIK, just insert id3tag before mp3dec you use, it will work automagically (ie. id3tag should just strip id3 part and pass rest of data untouched)
[16:45] <mathrick> bluejay: hmm, you don't use decoder in that pipeline, do you?
[16:47] <bluejay> mathrick: `gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location="Strawberry Fields Forever.mp3" ! id3tag ! mad ! osssink` printed tags and played fine. I'm trying `gst-launch-0.7 -t filesrc location="Strawberry Fields Forever.mp3" ! id3tag ! mad ! lame ! filesink location=test.mp3` now
[16:47] <bluejay> no tags there either
[16:47] <bluejay> Does it work for any of you?
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[16:49] <bluejay> mathrick: float2intnew worked with vorbisdec
[16:49] <bluejay> mathrick: I hope that name doesn't make it into a real release
[16:50] <thomasvs> bluejay: please add that comment to bug number http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133541
[16:50] <bluejay> thx
[16:52] <teuf> bluejay: doesn't work here either
[16:52] <bluejay> teuf: cool, glad to know my setup isn't borked
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[17:31] <zaheerm> ok bye
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[17:49] <kl100> hi, newbie question
[17:49] Nick change: mathrick|brb -> mathrick
[17:49] <mathrick> kl100: just ask
[17:49] <kl100> I have compiled the hello_world program against an uninstalled version of gstreamer 0.7.2
[17:50] <kl100> and when i run it it complains about registry
[17:50] <kl100> and the scheduler
[17:50] <kl100> GStreamer-ERROR **: No default scheduler name - do you have a registry ?
[17:50] <mathrick> kl100: run gst-register-0.7 ?
[17:50] <kl100> nope
[17:51] <thomasvs> kl100: how did you autogen/configure your uninstalled copy ?
[17:52] <kl100> erm, I didn't
[17:52] <kl100> I compiled against the dynamic library in /gst/.libs
[17:53] <kl100> I just ran gst-register andstill get the same error
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[17:54] <kl100> I'll be back in about an hour...
[17:54] <kl100> any help would be appriciated
[17:55] <ibsteveog> kl100: you could try installing to a folder in your home area...
[17:55] <bluejay> Is the right way to get an audio stream on stdout `gst-launch-0.7 filesrc location="Jethro Tull - Cup Of Wonder.ogg" ! spider ! {audio/x-raw-int,lame,vorbisenc,...} ! filesink location=/dev/stdout`?
[17:56] <ibsteveog> i don't know enough to help with getting it to work uninstalled, but i can help you install it for just yourself :-P
[17:56] <thomasvs> kl100: that wasn't the question
[17:56] <thomasvs> kl100: the question was "how did you autogen/configure your uninstalled copy ?" (of gst 0.7.2)
[17:57] <mathrick> bluejay: /dev/stdout? i'd rather try /dev/tty
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[17:57] <mathrick> mathrick@megumi:~/Dev/libmms$ ls -l /dev/stdout
[17:58] <mathrick> lr-xr-xr-x    1 root     root            4 2004-02-13 00:39 /dev/stdout -> fd/1
[17:58] <mathrick> wow, it exists :)
[17:58] <bluejay> mathrick: well, I'm thinking of putting this in an apache cgi script to transcode audio on demand. So tty won't exist
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[17:58] <mathrick> bluejay: ok, I just didn't know of /dev/stdout existance up till now ;)
[17:58] <bluejay> hehe
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[18:01] <bluejay> I was just checking that there isn't an element designed to do that better.
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[18:09] Action: ensonic sees no Company today ...
[18:11] <mathrick> thomasvs: how can I add gst ref manual now I have it finally built?
[18:13] <mathrick> thomasvs: I tried ln -s docs/gst ~/.devhelp/books/GStreamer-0.7 && html2funcs.py ~/.devhelp/books/GStreamer-0.7 but it didn't show up in books list
[18:15] <thomasvs> I don't think devhelp works like that anymore
[18:15] <thomasvs> lemme check
[18:16] <thomasvs> mathrick: basically, you should install the docs/gst dir to the same location as devhelp
[18:16] <thomasvs> ie, on my machine, it's all in /usr
[18:16] <thomasvs> so the api docs are in /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gstreamer-0.7
[18:16] <mathrick> thomasvs: README says ~/.devhelp/books is scanned too
[18:17] <mathrick> thomasvs: but seems I lack some .devhelp file for gst, don't know how to make one
[18:18] <thomasvs> mathrick: it should be done automatically if your gtk-doc is current enough
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[18:20] <mathrick> thomasvs: mathrick@megumi:~/Dev/gstreamer/gstreamer/docs/gst/html$ ls .devhelp
[18:20] <mathrick> ls: .devhelp: No such file or directory
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[18:24] <mathrick> yay, I have gst-0.7 in devhelp now :)
[18:25] <thomasvs> [gst-head] [thomas@otto gstreamer]$ ls docs/gst/html/gstreamer.devhelp
[18:25] <thomasvs> docs/gst/html/gstreamer.devhelp
[18:26] <mathrick> thomasvs: yep, I know, I have dirname mismatched with .devhelp name
[18:28] <mathrick> thomasvs: I'd like versioned books names in Devhelp index tho, checking if correct one is chosen is a bit tedious
[18:29] <ds-work> .
[18:30] <thomasvs> mathrick: I added that, will be in 0.7.5
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[18:30] <mathrick> thomasvs: nice
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[18:31] <mathrick> btw, I liked how previous versions of Devhelp selected book you're currently in, invaluable when search returns more than one identical result
[18:32] Action: mathrick is going to file a bug for that
[18:35] <thomasvs> mathrick: yep, agreed
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[18:50] <ensonic> ciao, till monday
[18:50] <thomasvs> later
[18:51] <ensonic> thomasvs: we've got a simple player running, which (based on clock events) controls plugin-dparam, so thats already the base for the tracker
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[19:09] <Uraeus> yo
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[19:22] <ds-work> thaytan: what do you need to know about London?
[19:26] <mathrick> yo Uraeus
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[19:52] <mathrick> taaz: heh, why ?
[19:52] <taaz> "remove a newline" looks more like put gst-plugins configure.ac into core. whoops. ;)
[19:52] <mathrick> hehe :)
[19:52] <mathrick> lo wheels
[19:52] <wheels> howdy
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[19:58] <thomasvs> taaz: damn, what did he do there ? :)
[20:01] Action: thomasvs reverts
[20:06] <taaz> looks like buildbot is puking exceptions now
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[20:10] <ds-work> what's a Rupert?
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[20:36] <mariano> hmm, I can't autogen gstreamer because I'm missing AM_PATH_ARTS, AM_PATH_LIBFAME, AM_PATH_LIBMIKMOD... Where does one get those from?
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[20:39] <mathrick> mariano: checkout now
[20:39] <mathrick> mariano: it was miscommit, fixed now
[20:39] <mathrick> gtg, bbl
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[20:40] <mariano> cool
[20:40] <dolphy> re
[20:50] <iain_> ds-work: a small stuff monkey
[20:52] <iain_> ds-work: http://primates.ximian.com/~peter/gallery/banana-blockade/dsc_1377_001
[21:13] <mariano> are the faqs in docs/faq supposed to build? faqs.xml references version.entities and image.entities without a proper path, it seems
[21:15] <dolphy> how are we supposed to build ffmpeg now ?
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[21:23] Action: ds-work points at thomasvs
[21:23] <thomasvs> eek ?
[21:24] <dolphy> thomasvs: how are we supposed to build ffmpeg now ?
[21:24] <dolphy> thomasvs: i need ffcolorspace
[21:24] Action: ds-work makes an ABI change
[21:24] <thomasvs> dolphy: just build the gst-ffmpeg module ?
[21:24] Action: thomasvs mails to say so
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[21:25] <dolphy> thomasvs: you send an email explaining that ?
[21:26] <thomasvs> dolphy: just did
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[21:26] <dolphy> thomasvs: cool thx
[21:27] <dolphy> thomasvs: i just implemented correct error handling in totem when calling gst_play_new :)
[21:27] <dolphy> thomasvs: ffcolorspace missing encouraged me to do so
[21:27] <dolphy> :-D
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[21:27] <ds-work> you could always use lcscolorspace :)
[21:28] <dolphy> ds-work: it's the new name of "colorspace" ?
[21:28] <dolphy> ds-work: because normally gstplay should have fallen back on colorspace but maybe it has been deprecated 
[21:29] <dolphy> ah no colorspace is still here
[21:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: it's renamed to hermescolorspace
[21:29] <ds-work> we have 4 colorspace elements now
[21:29] <thomasvs> the current colorspace is just some sort of fallback
[21:29] <dolphy> ah that's why it failed on linking
[21:29] <dolphy> not on creation
[21:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: error handling already worked in gst-player right ?
[21:29] <ds-work> colorspace only does a few YUV->RGB transforms
[21:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: hmm probably
[21:29] <ds-work> hermescolorspace does RGB->RGB
[21:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: as i told you i m more focused on totem atm :)
[21:29] <ds-work> lcscolorspace does everything, but is broken
[21:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: did you see jdahlin's commit ?
[21:30] <ds-work> ffcolorspace does a lot of stuff, but requires ffmpeg
[21:30] <thomasvs> ds-work: heh :) nice idea of "does everything" :)
[21:30] <thomasvs> dolphy: he asked me if I was sure I didn't break anything, because he couldn't reautogen
[21:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: hmm i see nothing wrong here
[21:30] <thomasvs> dolphy: I told him that his source checkout was messed up, he had plugins configure.ac in the core
[21:31] <thomasvs> dolphy: seems somehow he managed to commit gst-plugins configure.ac over the core's :)
[21:31] <thomasvs> dolphy: I wonder how he managed to do that
[21:31] <thomasvs> anyway, he turned off his machine so now the autobuild doesn't work :/
[21:33] <dolphy> yeah we should put that autobuild on my machine
[21:33] <dolphy> it's always on
[21:33] <dolphy> and builds fast
[21:34] <dolphy> hmm make uninstall works great in gst-ffmpeg
[21:34] <dolphy> how sweet
[21:34] <dolphy> :)
[21:37] Action: ds-work realizes that GstDParam, GstDParamClass, etc., do not have padding
[21:42] <thomasvs> ds-work: eek :)
[21:42] <thomasvs> ds-work: add it, bump the libtooling
[21:46] <ds-work> ugh.  that means a complete uninstall and recompile
[21:47] <ds-work> can I change the library suffix to -0.8 while I'm at it?
[21:51] Action: dolphy adds gst_init (&argc, &argv) to gst-totem 
[21:54] <dolphy> nice totem --gst-debug-level=5 now works :)
[21:54] <dolphy> will be easier to debug
[21:56] <thomasvs> ds-work: I'd like some more time to prepare that, there are some minor things to check first and I want to do that gconf stuff too
[21:57] <thomasvs> dolphy: does totem use gnome_program ?
[21:57] <ds-work> ah, right
[21:57] <thomasvs> ds-work: basically, I want to have one -0.7 versioned release so we can be 100% sure it's all correct before switching it.
[21:57] <ds-work> do we have anything that subclasses GstDParam?
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[21:58] <ds-work> if not, there's no reason to bump the ABI
[21:58] <parsley> oh good, a few folks are in the channel...
[21:58] <parsley> anybody have experience w/ using over-the-network plugins, like udp?
[21:59] Action: parsley is trying to send an ogg file over the network to be decompressed and played at the other end
[22:05] <taaz> who broke syncmail?  verbose diffs emails have two copies of each file diff
[22:08] <thomasvs> taaz: still ? I thought we fixed that
[22:09] <thomasvs> taaz: it's kind of hard to figure out - basically - it's really hard to run syncmail twice
[22:09] <dolphy> thomasvs: yeah
[22:09] <dolphy> thomasvs: why ?
[22:10] <thomasvs> dolphy: because there's a better way to integrate, and it's even in the manual :)
[22:10] <thomasvs> http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/data/doc/gstreamer/devel/manual/html/chapter-gnome.html
[22:11] <dolphy> thomasvs: can't do that
[22:12] <thomasvs> dolphy: why ?
[22:14] <taaz> thomasvs: last commit still did it.
[22:14] <dolphy> thomasvs: because totem.c code has to stay backend agnostic
[22:14] <taaz> thomasvs: perhaps there is a newer syncmail out there somehwere that could be merged in with local changes... 
[22:14] <dolphy> thomasvs: so i simply do a bacon_video_widget_init (&argc, &argv)
[22:14] <dolphy> thomasvs: that's a noop with xine-lib backend
[22:15] <dolphy> thomasvs: and a gst_init with GStreamer backend
[22:16] <thomasvs> dolphy: hm - but you could still conditionally call gnome_program with or without the popt table no ?
[22:17] <dolphy> thomasvs: dunno
[22:17] <dolphy> thomasvs: i have to look in totem's code
[22:17] <dolphy> thomasvs: i can't put hacks
[22:19] <thomasvs> it's not a hack :) it's the only right way to integrate commandlineoptions
[22:19] Nick change: thomasvs -> thomasvs-skate
[22:19] <thomasvs-skate> later
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[22:29] <dolphy> grrr
[22:30] <dolphy> why do we have gst_init_get_popt_table returning a GstPoptOption * instead of poptOption
[22:31] <dolphy> lol : /* make our own type for poptOption because the struct poptOption
[22:31] <dolphy>  * definition is iffy */
[22:31] <dolphy> typedef struct poptOption GstPoptOption;
[22:31] <dolphy> that looks useless
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[23:12] <ibsteveog> ok guys, i have a question on what gstreamer is capable of...
[23:13] <ibsteveog> i want to take the output of my program (it produces frames on the display at 2-3 fps) and use gstreamer to encode it to mjpeg and send it over the network for another machine to display
[23:14] <ibsteveog> does this sound feasible?
[23:16] <Uraeus> ibsteveog: sounds like it yes
[23:16] Action: ibsteveog cheers
[23:18] <ibsteveog> what i don't see how to do is to get my program's frames into gstreamer
[23:24] <Uraeus> ibsteveog: a custom plugin maybe?
[23:24] <Uraeus> ibsteveog: or maybe turning your app into a plugin
[23:27] Action: ibsteveog goes looking for docs on how to write a src plugin
[23:28] <ibsteveog> =\ docs say FIXME: write
[23:28] <Uraeus> the plugin writers guide should be rather extensive now
[23:29] <Uraeus> ibsteveog: I would take a look at the videotestsrc, I would guess that plugin could be said to look somewhat like your app situation
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[23:33] <dlehn> we probably should have some element to make this sort of thing easier
[23:33] <dlehn> like RawSrc or something
[23:33] <dlehn> which would just let you create your own buffers and push them into a pipeline
[23:34] <dlehn> so that it would be easier to hack gst pipelines into other apps that just want to encode
[23:34] <dlehn> or whatever...
[23:34] <Uraeus> dlehn: well make it or file a bug report suggesting it :)
[23:35] Nick change: dlehn -> taaz
[23:35] Action: taaz wonders why nick changed...
[23:36] <bitpoet> ibsteveog: i started with videotestsrc.  it supports about 20 formats, so it's more complex than most sources need to be, but it works.
[23:36] <bitpoet> i could probably write up what i've figured out so far about writing sources.
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[23:36] <ibsteveog> yes, i thought you had already written something up
[23:36] <bitpoet> code, not documentation  :-)
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[23:38] <bitpoet> though my code is fairly well commented.  whoever wrote videotestsrc doesn't seem to know what comments are.
[23:41] <ibsteveog> haha
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[23:41] <ibsteveog> yours is the x11src, right?
[23:41] Action: Uraeus points towards ds-work for blame on videotestsrc :)
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[23:50] <ivan_> hello guys 
[23:51] <ivan_> i tried install gnome with garnome
[23:51] <ivan_> but i had a little trouble with 
[23:51] <ivan_> gstreamer 
[23:51] <ivan_> the error send me 
[23:51] <ivan_> is 
[23:52] <ivan_> that jade had a great number of errors 
[23:52] <ivan_> and i tried with 
[23:52] <ivan_> change with -E option
[23:52] <ivan_> but i don't know how i have to do this 
[23:53] <ivan_> somebody can you help me ??
[23:54] <bitpoet> ibsteveog: it's "ximagesrc" for now, but yeah, it's an x11 source
[23:55] <bitpoet> now that i understand it, i could go through and document videotestsrc, if you guys want...
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[00:07] <DarkStorm> Hiho
[00:07] <DarkStorm> Is there a DVB source element for gstreamer yet ?
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[00:27] <ds-work> bitpoet: go ahead, I'll edit it
[00:29] <ds-work> we don't often use comments unless the code is strange in some way
[00:30] <bitpoet> well, it was strange to me, but i've been called strange before, so maybe it's just me  :-)
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[01:07] Action: ibsteveog thinks that code always seems obvious to the author... and always seems strange to people who have never read the author's code before...
[01:08] <ds-work> well written code, with good variable and function names, typically does not need much in comments
[01:08] <ds-work> documentation blocks are always good
[01:08] <ds-work> but that's for API functions
[01:09] <ds-work> I have little difficulty understanding Company or thomasvs or BBB's code
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