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[11:54] <mathrick> lo
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[12:06] <bilboed> hi
[12:23] <bilboed> I have got problems with using the following gst-plugins (0.7.4) : videobalance, volume, xvideosink xvimagesink video4linux and ossaudio . I get the following error with gst-inspect : "/usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.7/libgstxvideosink.so" has invalid license "amer.net", not loading
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[12:25] <thaytan> bilboed: sounds like your plugin build is dirty
[12:26] <bilboed> :)
[12:26] <thaytan> that's obviously the wrong part of 'gstreamer.net', which means it's not interpreting the plugin details correctly
[12:26] <thaytan> do an ls -lt in the $PREFIX/lib/gstreamer-0.7 dir and check the timestamps of them all
[12:27] <bilboed> nope, they all seem ok
[12:28] <thaytan> I'd be looking at a clean rebuild then... it's definitely ok here
[12:28] <bilboed> Is there a way I can flush all data from previous builds ?
[12:28] <thaytan> in 0.7, xvideosink is deprecated btw
[12:28] <bilboed> s/builds/installs/
[12:29] <teuf> bilboed: rm -rf $prefix/lib/gstreamer or something like that
[12:29] <thaytan> um... rm -rf $PREFIX/lib/gstreamer-0.7/ 
[12:29] <bilboed> thx
[12:29] <thaytan> yeah, and include dirs, and *gst* libs
[12:29] <teuf> in my experience, include dirs and gst libs don't matter much, the main thing to clean up is the plugin dir
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[12:46] <ramon> Anyone here?
[12:47] <teuf> I'm here, but I don't know if I can be of much help ;)
[12:48] <ramon> Just note that I have commited a change to gst-plugins.
[12:48] <ramon> So that plugins now export only the symbol gst_plugin_desc.
[12:48] <thaytan> I saw that
[12:48] <thaytan> how portable is it?
[12:49] <thaytan> if it only works with GNU ld it should be checking for it
[12:49] <ramon> It is theoretically portable because it uses libtool. libtool should do the right thing in each platform.
[12:50] <ramon> Unfortunately in Linux this works with libtool 1.5.2 and higher.
[12:51] <teuf> is exporting only gst_plugin_desc enough ?
[12:52] <ramon> Yes, except if a plugin wishes to export another global variable or function for some reason.
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[12:52] <teuf> ramon: I believe this is what gst/tags is doing, it exports helper functions to be used by other elements
[12:53] <ramon> In that case, I will place a message in the mailing list.
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[13:24] <teuf> ds: is it really better for the gstvolume dparam to be a double instead of a float ?
[13:25] <bilboed> there is an error in the pwg
[13:25] <bilboed> The user for the cvs command line for getting the gstreamer plugin templates is not anonymous but anoncvs
[13:26] <teuf> bilboed: I already reported it
[13:26] <bilboed> ok
[13:26] <teuf> (looking for the bug number atm)
[13:28] <mathrick> bilboed: btw, how's your gnonlin work going?
[13:28] <teuf> bilboed: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125890
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[13:30] <mathrick> yo Company
[13:30] <Company> good morning angels
[13:30] <teuf> hi Company :)
[13:31] <teuf> Company: can you have a look at #135042 and  #133817 when you have time ?
[13:31] <Company> current german magazine c't has a video editors comparison
[13:32] <Company> for Linux
[13:32] <Company> it's pretty poor...
[13:32] Action: Company has a look
[13:33] <khalek> Company: only in the magazine not online I take it?
[13:33] <Company> khalek: i haven't looked if it's online
[13:34] <Company> they compare kino, cinelerra and a proprietary 199$ one
[13:34] <teuf> I think I saw such a comparison on slashdot recently
[13:35] <Company> no it's not online
[13:35] <bilboed> mathrick: ok, thx to the help of rk. I hope to be able to have a version that'll work against the cvs version of gstreamer within 2 weeks
[13:36] <Company> gstreamer has all the features they compared btw
[13:36] <Company> it's just missing the video editing bits and the UI ;)
[13:36] <mathrick> bilboed: that's pretty cool
[13:36] <teuf> <whine>and stability</whine> ;)
[13:36] <teuf> (gstreamer head breaks rhythmbox)
[13:37] <bilboed> btw, if anybody has any (ideas of) applications that could use gnonlin, I'd be interested in knowing. We only have our nl editor for the moment...
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[13:38] <Company> well, for the moment there's only sound and video editing i guess
[13:39] <caereth> hmm, is anybody else getting this error when running gstreamer apps?  libgstplay: failed initializing pipeline, error: Could not link video output thread elements
[13:39] <bilboed> Company: we intend to have midi and text within 12months... :)
[13:39] <caereth> using 0.7.4
[13:39] <teuf> is that on purpose that if a dparam contains a double value, setting its float_value property doesn't update its double value ?
[13:40] <bilboed> Company: I was more wondering if some people would be interested in trying real-time editing solutions (vee-jay, tivo-like,...)
[13:41] <Company> oh
[13:41] <Company> dunno
[13:41] <bilboed> :)
[13:41] <mathrick> bilboed: Matroska guys are doing their TCME ultimate-ass-kicking-video-editing-swiss-army-knife ;) maybe it's worthy to at least let them know someone is doing NLE work already. They tend to reinvent anything that isn't in 20pt bold font on frontpage ;)
[13:41] <Company> maybe ask this Stefan Kost guy (i forget his irc nick...)
[13:41] <mathrick> Company: ensonic
[13:42] <Company> right
[13:43] <Company> hm
[13:43] <bilboed> does he hang around often here ?
[13:43] <mathrick> bilboed: doing == with gstreamer that is. They already ported (to a compilable and semi-runnable state) gst to win32
[13:43] <Company> teuf: not to start a flamewar about that tag name again, but "disc" sounds so audio specific
[13:44] <mathrick> bilboed: ensonic? yeah, pretty often, much more often than you ;p
[13:44] <teuf> Company: I don't care at all about the tag name, you can call it GST_PINK_COW_TAG if you like, I won't mind. I only want to have a tag which I can use for disc number ;)
[13:44] <Company> anybody here come up with a generic name for that please?
[13:44] <bilboed> mathrick: you can't say that's very hard :)
[13:45] <mathrick> bilboed: that == porting ?
[13:45] <bilboed> mathrick: no, being here more often than me
[13:45] <Company> i'd have said GST_TAG_ALBUM_TRACK_*
[13:45] <mathrick> bilboed: ah, right, it isn't indeed :)
[13:45] <Company> because of GST_TAG_TRACK_*
[13:45] <Company> but i bet people confuse those then :/
[13:46] <mathrick> Company: what is that tag supposed to mean
[13:46] <mathrick> ?
[13:46] <Company> mathrick: number of discs in an album
[13:46] <Company> mathrick: like live in Rotterdam (CD $nr of $count)
[13:46] <mathrick> GST_TAG_VOLUMES_NO ?
[13:46] <mathrick> hmm, that NO part is confusing...
[13:47] <Company> VOLUME_{COUNT,NUMBER}
[13:47] <Company> that sounds nice at least
[13:47] <mathrick> GST_TAG_VOLUME_COUNT == total, GST_TAG_VOLUME_NUMBER == current one then?
[13:49] <Company> yeah
[13:49] <mathrick> bilboed: if you're intersted, matroska guy's nick is jcsston, he's here pretty often
[13:49] <Company> ChrisHJW and robux4 are the other matroska guys
[13:50] <Company> though ChrisHJW is more of a marketer than a coder ;)
[13:50] <mathrick> ahh, right, forgot ChrisHJW :)
[13:50] <mathrick> and robux4 isn't too often in here lately
[13:51] <Company> me neither ;)
[13:51] <mathrick> Company: ChrisHJW seems to be good as a relay point for communication between teams :)
[13:51] <Company> yeah, do s/marketer/non-coder-doing-all-the-other-stuff-guy/ then
[13:51] <mathrick> Company: yeah, you're rare sight recently, work?
[13:52] <Company> yup
[13:52] <mathrick> Company: what kind of job is it?
[13:52] <Company> student job during semester breaks
[13:52] <Company> software stuff at the Lufthansa Technik sales department
[13:53] <mathrick> Company: ahh, the obligatory one?
[13:53] <Company> unfucking MS office docs, writing little db apps, that stuff
[13:54] <mathrick> Company: we have obligatory practice jobs during semester breaks in here, is it the same at your uni?
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[13:55] <Company> no
[13:55] <Company> it's a normal student job
[13:55] <mathrick> ah, ic
[13:55] <Company> i don't think what i do there would qualify as anything in my department
[13:55] <mathrick> hehe :)
[13:55] <Company> s/departement/university department/
[13:56] <Company> i can probably impress them more with the gst stuff ;)
[13:57] <mathrick> Company: yeah, but in here you need to have your employer certify you did practice as student employee
[13:57] <Company> we don't have that
[13:58] <Company> i wonder if redhat or similar would give you a cert for this stuff
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[14:01] <mathrick> Company: dunno, it's legalese stuff, so probably would be difficult when done abroad / for foreign company. IANAL tho
[14:02] <Company> isn't there a suse/redhat poland?
[14:03] <mathrick> Company: -ENOCLUE
[14:04] Action: mathrick googles
[14:05] <mathrick> hmm, suse.com.pl loads Novell Poland site, I guess that means there is SuSE Poland too
[14:10] <Company> ooops
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[14:11] <Company> i don't think that gst-plugins patch is correct
[14:11] <Company> (the most recent one that is
[14:14] Action: mathrick found no trace of RedHat Poland
[14:15] Action: Company shoots GNU
[14:15] <Company> ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.gnu.org-README
[14:20] <Company> ds-work: liboil cvs misses examples/Makefile.am
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[14:23] <bilboed> grrr... I've cleaned everything from previous gstreamer builds, rebuilt/install gstreamer and gst-plugins 0.7.4 and I still get the same license errors with some plugins :(
[14:23] <mathrick> bilboed: checkout done into fresh dir?
[14:24] <bilboed> ?
[14:24] <bilboed> it's not the cvs version
[14:24] <bilboed> should I use the cvs version of gst-plugins ?
[14:24] <Company> bilboed: what error?
[14:24] <mathrick> bilboed: recently I've had the same issue after libtool bump, it was occuring until I did cvs co into new directory
[14:24] <mathrick> bilboed: huh? you don't use HEAD?
[14:25] <bilboed> mathrick: nope
[14:25] <bilboed> at least not for what I'm doing right now
[14:25] <mathrick> bilboed: hmm, no clue then
[14:25] <bilboed> brrr
[14:25] <bilboed> bon, well off to compiling gst-plugins cvs...
[14:26] <mathrick> bilboed: maybe rm registry from your $HOME?
[14:26] <mathrick> bilboed: and $PREFIX/var/whatever-it-is-named too
[14:27] <Company> gstreamer only loads "valid" licenses
[14:27] <Company> you're aware of that, right?
[14:28] <Company> not that you write some plugin of your own and put some weird license in there
[14:28] <bilboed> plugins videobalance, volume, xvideosink xvimagesink video4linux and ossaudio
[14:28] <bilboed> Company: do you want the excerpt from gst-inspect-0.7 ?
[14:29] <Company> hm, no those should work
[14:29] <bilboed> where in plugins, are licenses defined (apart from GST_LICENSE) ?
[14:29] <Company> the valid licenses are in gstreamer/gst/gstplugin.c
[14:30] <Company> and per-plugin they are in gst_plugin_desc
[14:30] <mathrick> bilboed: now i think about it "amer.net" is last part of "http://gstreamer.net" - obviously some ABI b0rkage
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[14:31] <emzed> hi all
[14:31] <mathrick> hi emzed
[14:31] <emzed> have you heard something about problem between gstreamer and kde ?
[14:31] <emzed> I notice that gstreamer works well on my computer when nobody is connected to kde
[14:31] <bilboed> mathrick: that's what I'm trying to find out, it's reaaaally weird :)
[14:32] <emzed> but as soon as someone is connected, gstreamer doesn't work anymore
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[14:32] Action: Company hasn't heard of that
[14:32] <emzed> :/
[14:32] <Company> and wheels should know about that
[14:32] <mathrick> emzed: nope, don't think anyone has reported that
[14:32] Action: emzed feels like he plays with windows :/
[14:33] <Company> :p
[14:33] <teuf> emzed: maybe artsd is grabbing /dev/dsp which prevents gstreamer from outputting sound or something like that ?
[14:33] <emzed> teuf: no, in fact, arts caused problem on my system, so I totally disabled it :)
[14:34] <emzed> and the only sound pb I have with sound now is with gstreamer under kde
[14:34] <bilboed> mathrick: the other plugins have also got parts of "http://www.gstreamer.net"
[14:34] <emzed> is there a way to get debugging output ?
[14:34] <Company> bilboed: that sounds really weird
[14:34] <emzed> an option of gst-launch maybe ?
[14:34] <teuf> bilboed: are you using some custom cflags, or the default ones ?
[14:34] <Company> emzed: yeah, it's quite extensive
[14:35] <Company> emzed: read the --help output
[14:35] <mathrick> bilboed: last time I experienced total abi b0rkage, I ended up with mc over /usr/local/lib and manual removing everything :)
[14:35] <emzed> Company: thanks, I try that :)
[14:35] <Company> man pages might help, too
[14:35] <bilboed> mathrick: what should I try to remove ?
[14:36] <emzed> heh
[14:36] <emzed> there is a verbose option
[14:36] <emzed> good :)
[14:36] <Company> that one doesn't give debugging output though ;)
[14:37] <mathrick> bilboed: /usr/local/lib/libgst*, /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.7, anything else that has "gst" in it
[14:37] <bilboed> mk
[14:39] <emzed> is there a way to disable mmap ?
[14:39] <emzed> what is mmap in fact ?
[14:44] <mathrick> emzed: mmap() is a way to map file on disk into program's memory address space, allowing for much easier and efficient access to the file
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[14:44] <emzed> k
[14:44] <mathrick> emzed: like, it allows for straightforward access to files many times larger than available memory
[14:45] <mathrick> yo thomasvs
[14:45] <emzed> mathrick: and why sometines some people said it's not very stable ?
[14:45] <emzed> mathrick: I notice that mmap on xmms make it crashing
[14:46] <mathrick> emzed: dunno, possible bugs I guess. I don't know of any reason that'd make mmap() any less stable than read() based access
[14:48] <emzed> I will paste 3 lines now (it's not too big ?)
[14:48] <mathrick> emzed: hmm, actually, there is one reason, if you're opening device file and its driver doesn't support mmap()ing, then it could crash indeed if there's assumption mmap() is always available
[14:48] <mathrick> emzed: 3 is ok
[14:49] <emzed> xmms with mmap play sound during 12 sec then crash with the message :
[14:49] <emzed> ** WARNING **: alsa_mmap_audio(): snd_pcm_mmap_commit returned 16, expected 18
[14:49] <emzed> xmms: pcm_plugin.c:525: snd_pcm_plugin_mmap_commit: Assertion `size == 0' failed.
[14:49] <emzed> Aborted
[14:49] <mathrick> emzed: but doing that assumption is programming error
[14:49] <emzed> I hope it's not the problem with gstreamer
[14:49] <emzed> :/
[14:49] <emzed> since it seems to use mmap
[14:49] <emzed> I use kernel 2.6 ... maybe it's the problem
[14:50] <mathrick> emzed: no, xmms crashes are surely not gstreamer's fault :)
[14:50] <emzed> before, it worked, but there is so many change since that
[14:50] <emzed> mathrick: oh no :)
[14:50] <emzed> mathrick: I don't say xmms use gstreamer
[14:50] <emzed> but xmms crashes because of mmap
[14:50] <emzed> and gstreamer use mmap, so I hope my problem with gstreamer is not because of mmap
[14:51] <emzed> in fact, what I said is stupid :))
[14:51] <emzed> since my problem occur only when I am logged in kde
[14:51] <mathrick> emzed: hard to say unless we see some actual debugging output, doing blind guesses isn't best way to fix bugs :)
[14:51] <emzed> yes, I try with debugging output now
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[14:57] <emzed> hmmm, maybe it's not so stupid ...
[14:57] <emzed> when I do gst-launch --gst-debug-mask=0x00000001
[14:57] <emzed> the last line I get is :
[14:57] <emzed> DEBUG( 3173: 0)gstfilesrc.c(510): gst_filesrc_get_mmap: : attempting to read 00001000, 00005000, 00000000, 00400000
[14:57] <emzed> mmap ... :/
[14:57] Action: Company hits ds with some kind of cluestick
[14:58] <emzed> is there a way to not use mmap with gstreamer ?
[14:59] <Company> use gnomevfssrc maybe?
[14:59] <mathrick> emzed: not entirely sure, but AFAIR it depends on element being used
[14:59] <Company> HEAD should automatically not use mmap if it's not supported
[14:59] <emzed> mathrick: yes, I can give you some more information
[15:00] <emzed> which type of mask could you give you more needed information ?
[15:00] <mathrick> Company: here it seems it's buggy rather than not supported
[15:00] <emzed> when you use the mask 0x4000000, does it said that for you too :
[15:00] <emzed> DEBUG( 3188: 0)gstobject.c(332): gst_object_dispatch_properties_changed: : deep notification from src to pipeline0 (caps)
[15:00] <emzed> ?
[15:01] <mathrick> emzed: you need to give pipeline you used, too
[15:01] <emzed> ok :
[15:01] <emzed> gst-launch --gst-debug-mask=0x2000000 filesrc location="Bla Bla.ogg" ! vorbisfile ! osssink
[15:01] <emzed> with alsa 1.0.2c
[15:01] Action: Company cuddles ds and hits wingo
[15:01] <emzed> and oss emul of course
[15:03] <mathrick> emzed: hmm, you're using 0.6?
[15:03] <emzed> yeah
[15:03] <emzed> 0.6.4
[15:04] <emzed> 0.7 is not available yet on debian
[15:04] <emzed> I hope it will soon
[15:04] <mathrick> emzed: whoa, noone here uses 0.6 anymore, grab cvs and check if it occurs there too
[15:04] <emzed> ... hmmm
[15:04] <mathrick> emzed: it's not too hard to compile 0.7, pretty easy actually
[15:05] <emzed> but libkdegst which is binding of gstreamer for kde is, I think, compiled against gstreamer 0.6, so it will cause problem, won't it ?
[15:06] <mathrick> emzed: hmm, it will still use 0.6, they're parallel installable
[15:06] <emzed> ho, yes, you're ... and in fact, it doesn't work for the moment, so nothing can be broken :D
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[15:30] <emzed> mathrick: it tells me nothing at the end of ./configure
[15:30] <caereth> hm, I've tried compiling 0.7 from cvs, I get undefined reference to gst_videofilter_get_type when running for example gst-player
[15:30] <emzed> does it mean it's succees ?
[15:30] <mathrick> emzed: hmm? what do you mean by "nothing"? ./configure always gives some output
[15:31] <emzed> mathrick: yeah, it gives some ouput, but it doesn't tell "success" or something like that, at the end
[15:31] <emzed> the end is :
[15:31] <emzed> config.status: executing default commands
[15:32] <mathrick> emzed: it looks like it's successful
[15:32] <emzed> ok
[15:32] <mathrick> emzed: recommended way to build is ./autogen.sh && ./configure, because otherwise autogen will configure for maintainer build
[15:32] <emzed> ok
[15:32] <mathrick> emzed: also, you'd need gstreamer, gst-plugins and gst-ffmpeg cvs modules to do anything useful
[15:33] Action: mathrick is away: food
[15:33] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|food
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[15:34] <caereth> any clues how I can fix that?
[15:38] <emzed> arg ... sources are very big ...
[15:39] <emzed> how long is it to compile with a fairly new cpu ?
[15:39] <Company> emzed: ~10 minutes
[15:39] <Company> caereth: wait a moment :)
[15:39] <emzed> ?? more than 50Mo compiled in 10 min
[15:40] <emzed> wow, great :)
[15:41] <caereth> Company, sure :)
[15:44] <Company> yay, rb runs again
[16:04] <emzed> checking for libgnomeui-2.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[16:04] <emzed> is it a problem ?
[16:06] <Company> if it were, configure would stop :)
[16:06] <Company> i think it's only used in the examples or something
[16:07] <emzed> k
[16:12] <emzed> jade:/usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl:31:27:W: characters in the document character set with numbers exceeding 65535 not supported
[16:12] <emzed> is it normal ?
[16:13] <emzed> it does that for a long time
[16:13] <emzed> and consume all my memory
[16:13] Nick change: mathrick|food -> mathrick|away
[16:13] <emzed> and my disk space
[16:13] <emzed> it has already use 800MB on my disk
[16:14] <emzed> and 150MB of free memory
[16:14] <emzed> :/
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[16:17] <caereth> Company, any ideas?
[16:17] <emzed> :(
[16:17] <emzed> I'm damned
[16:18] <Company> caereth: just committed a fix
[16:18] <Company> caereth: requires recompiling gst-plugins
[16:19] <caereth> Company, good, I will try it out right away :)
[16:21] <emzed> I turn crazy   o_o
[16:22] <emzed> O_O
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[16:23] <Company> --disable-docs-build ;)
[16:23] <emzed> heh :D
[16:23] <emzed> thx, I don't like docs anyway :))
[16:24] <caereth> emzed, you should ;)
[16:25] <khalek> I don't suppose anyone here is familiar with mjpeg tools/cards?
[16:27] <caereth> Company, now it won't compile, gstvorbistag.c:180: error: `GST_TAG_ALBUM_VOLUME_NUMBER' undeclared 
[16:29] <Company> caereth: oops, you need to update core, too ;)
[16:29] <caereth> core? as in gstreamer?
[16:29] <Company> yeah
[16:39] <emzed> compile failed :/
[16:39] <emzed> I don't know where
[16:39] <emzed> I can see that :
[16:39] <emzed> ! Illegal parameter number in definition of \LT@i.
[16:40] <Company> where?
[16:40] <Company> gst-plugins or gstreamer?
[16:40] <emzed> gstreamer
[16:40] <Company> hum
[16:40] <Company> no idea
[16:40] <Company> out of disk memory?
[16:41] <emzed> I suppose I should install gstreamer first
[16:41] <emzed> Company: no
[16:41] <emzed> I have several GB free
[16:41] <emzed> gstreamer directory is 573 MB
[16:42] <emzed> and 3.67GB is still available
[16:42] <Company> good
[16:42] <emzed> it seems it failed on :
[16:43] <emzed> jade:/usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl:31:27:W: characters in the document character set with numbers exceeding 65535 not supported
[16:43] <emzed> I think
[16:43] <Company> that's the most likely cause for such weird errors on my box ;)
[16:43] <emzed> Company: so it's not good ;)
[16:43] <emzed> since if I haven't not enough free space, I would have just to free it :)
[16:44] <emzed> but now, I have no solution
[16:44] <emzed> maybe jade is broken in debian sid ?  :(
[16:45] <Company> i haven't built docs for ages
[16:45] <Company> the doc toolchain is so broken i just don't care anymore
[16:46] <emzed> but I use the option you told me :/
[16:46] <emzed> after autogen ... maybe I should use it after configure ??
[16:47] <caereth> Company, now it compiles and runs. I can't get it to play anything though, but thats another thing ;)
[16:47] <emzed> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=206707
[16:48] <emzed> ok, it's a jade limitation :D
[16:48] <emzed> I should use openjade :)
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[16:59] <emzed> yeah ! make have worked :)
[16:59] <ChrisHJW> <bilboed> Company: I was more wondering if some people would be interested in trying real-time editing solutions (vee-jay, tivo-like,...)  <---- please visit us on irc.corecodec.com #matroska
[16:59] <ChrisHJW> bilboed : seems we have similar targets
[16:59] <ChrisHJW> and yes, jcsston is a core matroska developer, and did a lot of work with porting recently
[17:00] <ChrisHJW> so does spyder482, robux4 is mostly away currently
[17:01] <emzed> I run make check, and i get :
[17:01] <emzed> GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstelement.c: line 2624 (gst_element_set_state): assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element)' failed
[17:02] <emzed> is it critical, has it is said ?
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[17:35] <emzed> Company: So, install is finished, now I test :
[17:35] <emzed> gst-launch-0.7 filesrc location="Bla Bla.ogg" ! vorbisfile ! osssink
[17:35] <emzed> ** (process:10072): WARNING **: Unrecoverable syntax error while parsing pipeline
[17:35] <emzed> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "filesrc".
[17:36] <Company> you have run gst-register?
[17:36] <apoc> Someone know where i can find informations about float audio datas
[17:37] <emzed> Company: yeah
[17:38] <emzed> Company: I get this :
[17:38] <emzed> _/usr/local/bin/gst-register-0.7: relocation error: /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.7/libgstvideoflip.so: undefined symbol: gst_videofilter_get_type
[17:38] <emzed> I hope it's not grave
[17:38] <emzed> tired to compile :D
[17:38] <Company> emzed: update gst-plugins to most recent#
[17:39] <Company> it's grave :/
[17:39] <emzed> k
[17:39] <emzed> heh
[17:39] <emzed> no pb
[17:39] <emzed> just gst-plugins ?
[17:41] <Company> dunno
[17:42] <Company> how recent is gstreamer?
[17:42] <Company> it mustn't be older than an hour ;)
[17:43] <emzed> 2 or 3 hours old
[17:43] <emzed> ??
[17:43] <emzed> aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!
[17:43] <emzed> I mst recompile all ?  :'(
[17:44] <Company> there must be an entry in the gstreamer ChangeLog starting like this:
[17:45] <Company>         * gst/gstpad.c:
[17:45] <Company>           revert last patch from Andy, it makes gst_pad_can_link_filtered much
[17:45] <Company>           too noisy
[17:45] <Company> and one in gst-plugins starting like this:
[17:45] <Company>         * configure.ac:
[17:45] <Company>           export [_]*{gst,Gst,GST}.* symbols from plugins
[17:45] <emzed> k
[17:45] <emzed> I check
[17:47] <iain_> yey the joys of ChangeLogs
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[18:02] <Company> anybody knows what happens if a RTLD_LOCAL dlopened plugin opens something RTLD_GLOBAL?
[18:12] <iain_> where do you get autopoint from?
[18:20] <Company> part of gettext
[18:20] <Company> i think
[18:21] <Company> # autopoint --version
[18:21] <Company> /usr/bin/autopoint (GNU gettext-tools) 0.13
[18:21] <iain_> hmm ok thanks
[18:44] Nick change: mathrick|away -> mathrick
[18:48] <iain_> checking for C# compiler... mcs
[18:48] <iain_> nice, gettext has c# support :D
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[18:54] <Uraeus> ello
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[18:54] <apoc> hello Uraeus
[18:55] <Uraeus> apoc: you know how I can turn of OSS emulation when running ALSA?
[18:59] <apoc> Uraeus: it's a kernel driver option 
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[19:00] <Uraeus> apoc: found out how -> rmmod :)
[19:00] <Uraeus> apoc: hmm, the gstreamer mixer seems to work well enough for me with ALSA
[19:01] <apoc> Uraeus: cool :)
[19:01] <Uraeus> apoc: yeah, but the question is why people report it as not working 
[19:01] <apoc> Uraeus: let me try
[19:02] <Uraeus> apoc: maybe they have some halfway OSS emulation turned on, which makes us autodetect is as OSS, but only the ALSA mixer is available or something
[19:03] <apoc> Uraeus: maybe yes
[19:03] <apoc> Uraeus: the gst mixer works fine here too
[19:04] <Company> it doesn't work for me
[19:05] <Company> at least it didn't last i tried
[19:10] <bilboed_> I get the following error while compiling cvs gst-plugins : gcc "{ global:" > .libs/libgstaudio.ver
[19:10] <bilboed_> gcc: { global:: No such file or directory
[19:10] <bilboed_> gcc: no input files
[19:10] <bilboed_> in gst-libs/gst/audio/
[19:13] <Company> uhm
[19:14] <Company> what libtool do you run?
[19:15] <bilboed_> 1.4.3
[19:15] <Company> hrm
[19:15] <bilboed_> on gentoo
[19:16] <Company> it should look like this:
[19:16] <Company> echo "{ global:" > .libs/libgstaudio.ver
[19:16] <Company>  cat .libs/libgstaudio.exp | sed -e "s/\(.*\)/\1;/" >> .libs/libgstaudio.ver
[19:16] <Company>  echo "local: *; };" >> .libs/libgstaudio.ver
[19:16] <Company> with libtool 1.5.2 it looks like that ;)
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[19:19] <bilboed_> It's really not the same thing :) Bon, I guess it's time for an update of libtool
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[19:45] <Company> whoops
[19:45] <Company> how should i honour INPUT_CAP_RIP_FORBIDDEN in xine? ;)
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[19:59] <Company> the xine demuxers are quite clever actually
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[20:00] <Company> hm
[20:00] <Company> it probably doesn't buy them much though
[20:04] <ds> moo
[20:04] <ds> Company: what was the cluestick thing about?
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[20:10] <emzed> Company: I got an error at compile time
[20:10] <emzed> 2 hours ago
[20:10] <emzed> since your last changes
[20:11] <Company> ds: it was wingo
[20:11] <Company> ds: you got the missing liboil/examples/Makefile.am ?
[20:11] <Company> emzed: what error?
[20:12] <emzed> gstvorbistag.c:180: error: `GST_TAG_ALBUM_VOLUME_NUMBER' undeclared here (not in a function)
[20:12] <emzed> and 30-40 lines like this one
[20:13] <Company> emzed: update gstreamer
[20:13] <emzed> it's in gst-plugins
[20:13] <emzed> I must install gstreamer before compile gst-plugins ?
[20:14] <emzed> because I already have the last version of gstreamer and gst-plugins, but I compile both at the same time
[20:14] <emzed> since I was not at home the last 2 hours
[20:17] <ds> Company: liboil is fixed
[20:18] <Company> emzed: it's a recent fix in there
[20:18] <Company> emzed: you probably require a very recent version of gstreamer for compiling gst-plugins
[20:18] <emzed> Company: yes, but I already have the last one (I just run cvs update, and nothing was updated)
[20:19] <emzed> the problem is that I don't know if I need to install gstreamer before compiling gst-plugins
[20:19] <Company> emzed: yeah, you need to
[20:19] <emzed> ok
[20:19] <Company> (unless you run uninstalled)
[20:19] <emzed> I thought I can compile both at the same time
[20:19] <emzed> so I recompile gst-plugisn
[20:19] <emzed> thx ;)
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[20:27] <bilboed_> grrrr.... after updating automake/autoconf/libtool to the latest versions, I still get the same damn mistake in gst-plugins cvs :(
[20:33] <emzed> bilboed: I hope I will not be concerned by this error :/
[20:33] <bilboed_> lol
[20:33] <emzed> I just strat a new compile 
[20:33] <bilboed_> I hope for you
[20:33] <emzed> :)
[20:33] Action: bilboed_ notices it's 4:20 ... somewhere in the world :)
[20:34] <emzed> it's 20:34 here :)
[20:34] Action: bilboed_ might be slightly out of clock.... bilbo.sync()
[20:35] <emzed> heh
[20:37] <emzed> it works :)
[20:37] <emzed> anyway, gentoo sux  :D
[20:39] <bilboed_> it depends...
[20:39] <bilboed_> I don't see it as a distrib-related problem... for the time being
[20:39] <emzed> gst-register works too :)
[20:39] <emzed> I'm on the good way
[20:41] <emzed> still have an error with make check in gstreamer :
[20:41] <emzed> GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstelement.c: line 2624 (gst_element_set_state): assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element)' failed
[20:41] <emzed> XFAIL: thread5
[20:41] <emzed> hope it's not grave (this time)
[20:41] <emzed> :)
[20:45] <emzed> ok, it works better :
[20:45] <emzed> osssink doesn't work better but now alsasink plays sound :)
[20:45] <emzed> the problem : the sound is crapy :/
[20:46] <emzed> I get lots of 'crack'
[20:47] <emzed> what pipe I should use to play mp3 ?
[20:47] <emzed> I tried with vorbis for the moment
[20:48] <emzed> so, it's mad :)
[20:49] <emzed> crappy too :/
[20:51] <Company> ds: if a lib that is dlopen'ed RTLD_LOCAL dlopens something RTLD_GLOBAL, it's still local to the xine, is it?
[20:51] <Company> s/xine/the first lib/
[20:55] <bilboed_> bon, why does the compilation comes up with the command : gcc "{ global:" > .libs/libgstaudio.ver   ????
[20:57] <Company> i have _no_ clue
[20:57] <bilboed_> :)
[20:58] <Company> i don't even know why it puts gcc instead of echo there
[20:58] <Company> gst-launch xinesrc_CD location=cdda://dev/hdc/7 ! osssink
[20:58] <Company> runs
[20:58] <Company> and outputs the 7th song from my cd, too
[20:59] <bilboed_> yup, smells like one big auto* problem now...
[21:00] <Company> xine is extremely hacky, though :/
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[21:01] <emzed> which plugin can I use to play mp3 except mad ?
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[21:03] <Company> ffdec_mp3
[21:03] <emzed> k
[21:04] <emzed> mmm, another ?
[21:04] <emzed> I try to play a mp3, 64kbits/s, joint stereo
[21:05] <emzed> mad and ffdec don't work
[21:05] <emzed> but I just try with juk which use gst 0.6, and the file I try to play is the only file it can play ...
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[21:35] <emzed> so, it doesn't work, I will give it up   :(
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[21:38] <Company> someone write a working asfdemux please :o
[21:39] <dolphy> yop
[21:41] <Company> mms reading works
[21:41] <bilboed_> yeah :)
[21:41] <Company> (via xine)
[21:43] <emzed> hey, I don't remember, is there a way to disable mmap with gstreamer ? I just try beep-media-player, and enable mmap, and instead of crashing like xmms, it does the same thing than gstream :)
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[21:46] <bilboed_> I'm trying to debug a libtool problem :( I don't know why, but libtool echo "gcc" instead of "echo" for variable $echo . Any libtool expert around ?
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[21:57] <teuf> Company: what will your changes to dpman_attach_dparam do ? Make it fail if someone tries to attach a dparam of the wrong type ?
[21:57] <Company> teuf: yeah
[21:58] <Company> teuf: that made rb work again ;) - i've filed a bug against rb with a correct patch nonetheless
[21:59] <teuf> I wrote a patch which assumed attach_dparam failed if called with the wrong type, but I trashed it since then ;)
[21:59] <teuf> (since it didn't work when I tried it)
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[21:59] <Company> (note: i have no clue at all about dparams)
[22:00] <teuf> you stole the patch I sent to rhythmbox-devel!! :)
[22:00] <Company> :p
[22:01] <Company> (i don't read mailing lists)
[22:01] <teuf> the problem with that patch is that it will break with gstreamer 0.7.4
[22:01] <Company> (at least not often enough ;))
[22:01] <Company> yeah
[22:01] <Company> but i don't care about that
[22:01] <Company> if someone does he can iifdef around somewhere
[22:02] <teuf> yay, I still have my other patch ;)
[22:02] <Company> i have applied all your patches btw
[22:02] <teuf> yeah, I saw that, thanks a lot
[22:03] <Company> yay
[22:04] <Company> i want a possibility to switch xines optimizations off :(
[22:04] Action: Company hacks configure
[22:04] <teuf> hmm, I think I already did that
[22:04] <teuf> isn't there a config flag to do it ?
[22:04] <teuf> Company: http://cfergeau.free.fr/rb-player-gst.c.patch should work with your changes ?
[22:05] <teuf> this would be compatible with both HEAD and 0.7.4 I think
[22:08] <Company> hm, can'T find a configure flag
[22:08] <teuf> hadess made me do it, I don't remember at all what he told me to do
[22:08] <teuf> Company: maybe a specific make target
[22:08] <teuf> there are make debug and make install-debug
[22:09] <teuf> I think this is what I had to do
[22:09] <Company> yeah
[22:10] <Company> that looks good
[22:10] <Company> (the make thingy)
[22:10] <Company> you need to know the type on gst_dpsmooth_new i think
[22:11] <Company> but yeah, your patch will work
[22:11] <Company> it'll cause a warning for each file played though
[22:12] <teuf> yeah
[22:12] <Company> i'm wondering if ther's an API to query a dparam type from the manager
[22:13] <teuf> will send this mail to the list, and let walters decide how to handle the situation :)
[22:13] <Company> gst_dpman_get_dparam_type
[22:14] <Company> that would work
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[22:14] <teuf> ah sweet
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[22:17] <teuf> Company: ok, that works without warnings :)
[22:18] <Company> good
[22:27] <bilboed_> damn it, I've only got this libtool error with my system at work :(
[22:28] <bilboed_> any ideas on how to debug libtool (and I mean more than --debug which doesn't solve the problem) ? thx
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[22:29] Action: Company stays as far away as possible from libtool
[22:33] <bilboed_> lol, i did a autogen.sh ... and now it works....
[22:35] <Company> yay
[22:36] <bilboed_> still, I had to compile libtool manually (and not emerge-it)
[22:36] <Company> blame gentoo :p
[22:36] <bilboed_> screwed up config.guess and config.sub I guess :)
[22:36] <bilboed_> yeah, damn it
[22:42] <Company> yay me
[22:42] <Company> gst-register runs through with all xine plugins installed now
[22:43] <bilboed_> yay
[22:43] Action: Company continues madly wrapping all kinds of xine plugins
[22:46] <bilboed_> yipee
[22:47] <bilboed_> at last cvs compiles and works :)
[22:47] <bilboed_> s/cvs/cvs version of gstreamer and plugins/
[22:57] <dolphy> Zeenix: you there ?
[23:00] <Zeenix> dolphy: yes
[23:05] <bilboed_> waow, the warpTV effect is quite astounding
[23:05] <dolphy> Zeenix: do you have some pending changes to cacasink ?
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[23:22] <Company> gnight
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[23:33] <dolphy> BBB: yo BBB
[23:33] <BBB> now *that*'s a late reply ;)
[23:33] <Zeenix> dolphy: yeah, why?
[23:33] <BBB> did noelle bake you pancakes yet, dolphy?
[23:34] <BBB> I've got a few new recipies from the US for her if she wants ;)
[23:35] <dolphy> BBB: yeah she did :)
[23:35] <dolphy> Zeenix: ah could you commit then ?
[23:35] <dolphy> Zeenix: i would like to work on libcaca too :)
[23:36] <dolphy> Zeenix: i ve seen the author of libcaca at FOSDEM
[23:36] <Zeenix> dolphy: good, i was waiting for some changes by libcaca author
[23:36] <dolphy> Zeenix: yeah that lib is not flexible at all
[23:36] <BBB> oh, you guys were at fosdem?
[23:36] <dolphy> Zeenix: maybe we can push together
[23:36] Action: BBB is so jealous
[23:36] <dolphy> BBB: yeah
[23:36] <BBB> how was it?
[23:36] <BBB> anything interesting?
[23:36] <dolphy> BBB: very nice
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: very interesting stuff from Robert Love
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: kernel/Desktop integration and HAL
[23:37] <Zeenix> dolphy: good that you can meet all such people
[23:37] <BBB> ah, of course... what did he say? it was about kernel&desktop-linux, right?
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: Keith Packard talking about the future of X
[23:37] Action: BBB wants copies of their slideshows...
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: Denis Oliver Krop from DirectFB
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: well he explained his goal in HAL
[23:37] <dolphy> BBB: and how it works
[23:38] <dolphy> BBB: and gnome volume manager
[23:38] <dolphy> BBB: interesting stuff really
[23:38] <Zeenix> dolphy: did he tell you about my chat with him?
[23:39] <dolphy> Zeenix: nope
[23:39] <Zeenix> dolphy: strange
[23:39] <dolphy> Zeenix: well i haven't discussed that much
[23:39] <dolphy> Zeenix: mostly interposed discussion with a friend that met him
[23:40] <dolphy> Zeenix: i ve read libcaca source code
[23:40] <dolphy> Zeenix: and i don't like it that much
[23:40] <dolphy> Zeenix: tons of ifdefs
[23:40] <Zeenix> dolphy: yeah, i dont like it's non-OO style
[23:40] <dolphy> Zeenix: no flexibility in the driver choice
[23:41] <Zeenix> dolphy: no contexts (like in aalib)
[23:41] <dolphy> Zeenix: i ve managed to get navigation running
[23:41] <BBB> well, caca *works* better than aa...
[23:41] <dolphy> Zeenix: but still i would like that libcaca accepts a foreign window
[23:41] <BBB> (it has color ;) )
[23:41] <Zeenix> dolphy: cool, thanks
[23:41] <dolphy> Zeenix: so that we can put the XOverlay interface
[23:41] <dolphy> Zeenix: and get that in totem
[23:41] <Zeenix> dolphy: yes, x-overlay was the problem
[23:41] <BBB> dolphy, do you want to write navigation docs in the PWG?
[23:41] <BBB> that still needs doing
[23:42] <dolphy> BBB: i will if i find some time
[23:42] <BBB> :)
[23:42] <dolphy> BBB: i m so busy atm
[23:42] Action: BBB will get his screen monday, hopefully
[23:42] <BBB> which'd mean that I can get back to work from monday on :)
[23:42] <dolphy> BBB: i m currently modifying avidemux
[23:42] <Zeenix> dolphy: sam did'nt like my changes to libcaca otherwise x-overlay was already implemented
[23:42] <dolphy> BBB: to get tags fired on riff-media generating audio/video caps for new stream added
[23:43] <BBB> what kind of tags?
[23:43] <dolphy> Zeenix: well i subscribed to the mailing list
[23:43] <BBB> you mean streaminfo tags?
[23:43] <Zeenix> dolphy: his concerns were correct thought
[23:43] <dolphy> Zeenix: i ll post some suggestions there
[23:43] <dolphy> BBB: yeah but through gst_element_found_tag
[23:43] <dolphy> BBB: like agreed with thomasvs i added AUDIO_CODEC and VIDEO_CODEC tags
[23:43] <Zeenix> dolphy: no, i'll tell you what needs to be done to get x-overlay working
[23:44] <BBB> dolphy: of course... but I only did metadata, so streaminfo indeed needed doing :)
[23:44] <dolphy> BBB: and i m implementing them in demuxers
[23:44] <BBB> sounds cool
[23:44] Action: BBB wants to port wavparse to rifflib
[23:44] <dolphy> BBB: yeah totem now gives the audio and video codec informations
[23:44] <dolphy> BBB: i m cleaning up stuff atm
[23:44] <dolphy> BBB: i ll probably commit tomorow
[23:44] <BBB> i.e., it says "AVI file, divx video, mp3 audio"?
[23:45] <Zeenix> dolphy: sam suggested that libcaca should provide the mechanism by which it could be given a buffer where it would render it's graphics
[23:45] <dolphy> DivX MPEG-4 Version 3
[23:45] <dolphy> i m respecting the www.fourcc.org description
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[23:45] <BBB> I atually wanted to work no that, and make a small register-function table where you register mimetypes plus human-readable names, or functions for getting human-readable names
[23:45] <dolphy> Zeenix: would be lovely
[23:45] <BBB> I will do that for 0.10 or so
[23:45] <Zeenix> dolphy: this way it would not have to provide any X-specific interface
[23:46] <dolphy> BBB: i put that in riff-media for the moment
[23:46] <dolphy> BBB: there's a bit of duplication for demuxers that do not use riff lib
[23:46] <dolphy> BBB: such as asfdemux, qtdemux
[23:46] <dolphy> BBB: but avidemux and matroska are working
[23:46] <dolphy> BBB: and i need to check mpeg
[23:46] <BBB> asfdemux uses rifflib for fourcc-to-caps ;)
[23:46] <BBB> qtdemux/mpegdemux don't
[23:47] <BBB> but anyway, it's fine to do it that way for now... I'll only care for this for 0.10 or so
[23:47] <dolphy> BBB: it doesn't
[23:47] <BBB> eh?
[23:47] <BBB> oh
[23:47] <Zeenix> dolphy: sam lives on #videolan
[23:47] <BBB> well
[23:47] <BBB> ok
[23:47] <BBB> that's a bug then ;)
[23:47] <dolphy> BBB: asfdemux copied the conversion of riff lib :)
[23:47] <dolphy> BBB: it has the same code inside :)
[23:50] <BBB> right
[23:50] <BBB> ok
[23:50] <BBB> I'll fix that some day
[23:50] <BBB> (low-priority bug ;) )
[23:51] <BBB> actually,this stuff should be moved out of rifflib and become its own support lib
[23:51] <BBB> but ohwell
[23:51] <BBB> later
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[23:51] <dolphy> what's the matroska extension ?
[23:51] <BBB> :)
[23:51] <BBB> mkv
[23:51] <BBB> or mka
[23:51] <dolphy> do we have sample files ?
[23:51] <BBB> (v=video,a=audio)
[23:51] <BBB> I have one on my broken laptop ;)
[23:51] <BBB> christian has one too
[23:51] <BBB> uraeus
[23:51] <dolphy> hmm
[23:51] <ChrisHJW> samples.matroska.org
[23:51] <BBB> maybe it's online
[23:51] <BBB> the starwars_5_1 one
[23:52] <dolphy> ChrisHJW: ok thx
[23:52] <BBB> speaking of the devil... ;)
[23:52] <dolphy> i don't really want to commit before actually checking it works :)
[23:52] <ChrisHJW> you guys dont have a RV9 decoder, right ?
[23:52] <dolphy> don't think so
[23:53] <ChrisHJW> so dont download RV9 samples
[23:53] <ChrisHJW> :)
[23:53] Action: dolphy downloads the matrix trailer
[23:53] <dolphy> with XVID
[23:53] <BBB> I guess we need to copy mplayer's RV9 playback plugin for RV9
[23:53] <BBB> (helix/real binary wrapping)
[23:54] <ChrisHJW> RV9 is awesome for low bitrate stuff
[23:54] <ChrisHJW> for 2 CD rips i prefer XviD
[23:55] Action: BBB still does MPEG-2
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[23:55] <BBB> (that's all my DVD player plays...)
[23:55] <BBB> anyway
[23:55] <BBB> I'm off
[23:55] <BBB> bye
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[23:55] <dolphy> bye
[23:58] <Zeenix> dolphy: maybe, we can try to make libcaca a better lib?
[23:59] <dolphy> Zeenix: well i don't want to spend tons of time on it
[23:59] <dolphy> Zeenix: but basically cacasink code should be very similar to ximagesink
[23:59] <dolphy> Zeenix: it should handle software scaling, navigation and so on
[23:59] <dolphy> Zeenix: and xoverlay interface
[00:00] --- Mon Feb 23 2004
[00:00] <dolphy> Zeenix: if that's not possible to get some changes in libcaca well we will let it in the current state
[00:00] <dolphy> Zeenix: bit a shame though
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[00:03] <dolphy> k i m off
[00:03] <dolphy> night
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