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[10:25] <sysan> Does anyone know if there are any test results for ARM platform which plugin work ok, performance , usability etc. ?
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[10:37] <jdahlin> morning dolphy
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[10:44] <dolphy> jdahlin: yop :)
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[10:47] <dolphy> jdahlin: i ll install gtk-doc on my machine asap
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[10:49] <dolphy> jdahlin: should i upgrade buildbot aswell ?
[10:51] <jdahlin> dolphy: nope, should be fine. 
[10:51] <jdahlin> dolphy: it's a master side change only
[10:52] <dolphy> ok 
[10:52] <dolphy> jdahlin: gtk-doc is installed already
[10:52] <dolphy> jdahlin: make your way then :)
[10:53] <jdahlin> dolphy, see http://build.fluendo.com:8080/FC1-gst/events/7/log
[10:53] <jdahlin> *** gtk-doc must be installed and enabled in order to make dist
[10:53] <jdahlin> hmm
[10:53] <jdahlin> *** gtk-doc must be installed and --->enabled<--- in order to make dist
[10:53] <jdahlin> :-)
[10:53] <dolphy> i just installed it
[10:53] <dolphy> i don't know how to enable it though
[10:54] <dolphy> is that log recent? 
[10:54] <jdahlin> It's up to me
[10:54] <jdahlin> (doh)
[10:54] <jdahlin> --enable-docs-build needs to be passed to configure/autogen
[10:55] <dolphy> ok
[10:55] <dolphy> i let you do that then
[10:55] <dolphy> i have tons of meetings
[10:55] <dolphy> see you
[10:56] <jdahlin> ok, good luck
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[10:57] <thaytan> thomasvs: was Girona airport an ok one to fly into?
[10:57] <thaytan> I had the log of that conversation on my laptop
[11:00] <thomasvs> thaytan: it's not as nice (still a long bus ride), but it's workable I guess
[11:00] <thomasvs> from london, easyjet flies to barcelona no ?
[11:02] <jdahlin> there is a 90 minutes busride from Girona to Barcelona
[11:05] <thaytan> yeah, it's a case of whether 23GBP +bus ride with RyanAir is better than 37GBP with EasyJet
[11:05] <thaytan> times 2
[11:06] <thomasvs> it depends on how much you value your time :)
[11:08] <thaytan> I don't know whether Stansted is any better than Luton as an option at the London end either
[11:08] <thomasvs> well, you'll be fine either way
[11:08] <thomasvs> jdahlin: gör det själv porris <-- what's that mean ? :)
[11:08] <bilboed> anybody has a screenshot of gstreamer running on arm/ipaq ?
[11:09] <thaytan> bilboed: I can make one, if you give me a few days
[11:10] <thaytan> last time I looked it was only gst-0.5 tho
[11:10] <jdahlin> thomasvs: do it yourself ....
[11:10] <bilboed> thaytan: thx, I'm looking into the potential of making an Archos-AV 'like
[11:10] <bilboed> but I need to have an idea of what it can do... without owning a pocketPC
[11:11] <sysan> does anyone has succesfully run 0.7.4 on ARM
[11:12] <thomasvs> bilboed: http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots/view_photo.php?set_albumName=historical&id=gpe_soundbite
[11:12] <thomasvs> bilboed: I think that uses it
[11:13] <bilboed> I've got a problem with the smpte element, I can use the transition effects, but how do I "reset" the transition and do another one ? 
[11:13] <thomasvs> jdahlin: but I don't know swedish !
[11:14] <jdahlin> thomasvs: it means "do it yourself ...."
[11:14] <thomasvs> jdahlin: heh, I knew :)
[11:14] <thaytan> the only Swedish I know is "snaka engelska"
[11:14] <jdahlin> snacka :)
[11:15] <thaytan> oh, and ingen fara putaket (sp?)
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[11:15] <jdahlin> hoho
[11:15] <jdahlin> ingen fara på taket
[11:15] <thomasvs> thaytan: what's that mean ?
[11:15] <thaytan> "no worries", I'm told
[11:16] <thomasvs> hm
[11:16] <thomasvs> :)
[11:16] <thaytan> or literally "no danger on the roof"?
[11:16] <thomasvs> haha
[11:16] <jdahlin> yeah, both
[11:16] <bilboed> thomasvs: thx for the link
[11:16] <thomasvs> that makes it funny
[11:18] <thaytan> yeah :)
[11:18] <thaytan> oh, and apparently if I want to swear like an old lady I can say "schuten ocksa" 
[11:25] <jdahlin> I can't parse that though
[11:25] <thaytan> 'seventeen' ?
[11:25] <thaytan> or was it 'and the cat too'
[11:25] <thaytan> I dunno, a Swedish guy taught me these 5 years ago
[11:26] <jdahlin> ah
[11:26] <jdahlin> sjutton
[11:27] <thaytan> I came close :)
[11:27] <thaytan> my 'friend' actually taught me 'snacka engelska, idiot jarvel'
[11:28] <thaytan> but I dropped the second bit after I tried it out on HPA and thought he was going to hit me ;)
[11:28] <jdahlin> haha, bummer
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[11:37] <bilboed> what's the url of the gstreamer shop (mugs, wear, etc...) ?
[11:38] <thomasvs> bilboed: somewhere on cafeshop.com
[11:38] <bilboed> a friend of mine doesn't believe there is such a thing as a GStreamer thong :)
[11:38] <bilboed> thomasvs: thx
[11:38] <thomasvs> http://www.cafeshops.com/gstreamer
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[12:15] Action: bilboed is amazed how well gstreamer 0.7.* works, 2mins to make a webcam to divx recorder with gst-editor...
[12:16] <thomasvs> bilboed: it actually works ??
[12:16] <thomasvs> bilboed: without audio then I guess ?
[12:16] <bilboed> thomasvs: yep 
[12:16] <bilboed> forgot to mention that
[12:17] <thomasvs> heh :)
[12:21] <thaytan> which video compression are you using?
[12:22] <thaytan> sorry, I mean which container?
[12:23] <bilboed> avimux
[12:23] <bilboed> with video only
[12:23] <bilboed> works great with mjpeg
[12:23] <bilboed> anyway, it's a start, a lot more debugging is going to follow
[12:23] <thaytan> great :)
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[12:25] <bilboed> any news on the release (beta 1 for gnome) ?
[12:26] <thomasvs> I'm about to do one
[12:27] <jdahlin> are GstData structures ever created?
[12:27] <jdahlin> or just casted from GstBuffer/GstEvent ?
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[12:28] <thomasvs> jdahlin: I don't think they ever get created on their own, no
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[12:28] <jdahlin> thomasvs: ok
[12:28] <jdahlin> pad = gst.Pad('src', gst.PAD_SRC)
[12:28] <jdahlin> pad.push(gst.Buffer())
[12:28] <jdahlin> pad.push(gst.Event(gst.EVENT_EOS))
[12:28] <jdahlin> works in the python bindings now
[12:29] <jdahlin> the buffer and events are automagically converted to a GstData (which is pad.push want)
[12:29] <thomasvs> cool
[12:30] <bilboed> while running aclocal, it spurts out plenty of messages "... warning: underquoted definition of ...". Anybody knows how to solve that, or is it due to a crappy system ?
[12:41] Action: bilboed is away: gone to school
[12:41] <thaytan> automake-1.8 ?
[12:42] <thomasvs> bilboed: it means a lot of the m4's need to be fixed
[12:42] <thomasvs> bilboed: is this in gst-plugins ? because most of them are fixed
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[12:45] <bilboed> thomasvs: in gst-plugins, gst-editor and gst-python
[12:45] <thomasvs> bilboed: how recent cvs ?
[12:45] <bilboed> yesterday at the latest
[12:45] <bilboed> 10mins ago for gst-python
[12:46] <bilboed> thaytan: yes, 1.8.2
[12:46] <thomasvs> bilboed: can you paste three of the warnings ?
[12:47] <bilboed> /usr/local/share/aclocal/movtar.m4:59: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_MOVTAR
[12:47] <bilboed> /usr/local/share/aclocal/linc.m4:1: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LINC
[12:47] <bilboed> /usr/local/share/aclocal/libxslt.m4:14: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_XSLT
[12:47] <thomasvs> bilboed: ok, so all of these need to be fixed in the respective .m4 files, so they need to befixed in the upstream projects
[12:48] <bilboed> thomasvs: upstream projects = movtar, linc, xslt, ... ?
[12:48] <thomasvs> bilboed: yep
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[12:49] <bilboed> mkay, well I guess I'll have to do a massive update at one point... at least it doesn't stop compiling/installing/using the projects
[12:50] <bilboed> on the other hand, I do have a big problem with compiling gst-python : make[2]: Entering directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python/gstreamer'
[12:50] <bilboed> Makefile:344: .deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo: No such file or directory
[12:50] <bilboed> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `.deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo'.  Stop.
[12:50] <thomasvs> bilboed: do a make clean
[12:51] <bilboed> lol : Making clean in gstreamer
[12:51] <bilboed> make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python/gstreamer'
[12:51] <bilboed> Makefile:344: .deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo: No such file or directory
[12:51] <bilboed> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `.deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo'.  Stop.
[12:51] <bilboed> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python/gstreamer'
[12:51] <bilboed> make: *** [clean-recursive] Error 1
[12:51] <thomasvs> rerun autogen then :)
[12:51] <thomasvs> or touch the file, will help too
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[12:55] <jdahlin> hello iain_
[12:55] <jdahlin> iain_: just did a big commit to gnome-sound-recorder
[12:56] <iain_> I'm not in charge of it now
[12:57] <iain_> but okay
[12:57] <bilboed> ok, I deleted the gst-python dir, co'd gst-python, redid autogen... and this is the only thing I get after a make : make  all-recursive
[12:57] <bilboed> make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python'
[12:57] <bilboed> Making all in gstreamer
[12:57] <bilboed> make[2]: Entering directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python/gstreamer'
[12:57] <bilboed> Makefile:344: .deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo: No such file or directory
[12:57] <bilboed> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `.deps/_gstmodule_la-gstreamer.Plo'.  Stop.
[12:57] <bilboed> make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python/gstreamer'
[12:57] <bilboed> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[12:57] <bilboed> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/compil/gst-python'
[12:57] <jdahlin> thomas told me roland was in charge, and he is absent now
[12:57] <bilboed> make: *** [all] Error 2
[12:57] <thomasvs> bilboed: touch the file
[12:58] <iain_> jdahlin: yeah, roland is in charge, but official maintainer is ted gould, but he's disappeared
[12:58] <jdahlin> iain_: he committed something yesterday...
[12:58] <thomasvs> he apparently released monday too
[12:59] <iain_> really?
[12:59] <thomasvs> yeah, it looks like it
[12:59] <iain_> cool, I thought he'd disappeared :)
[12:59] <thomasvs> hm, we really need to track each other closer
[13:00] <thomasvs> jdahlin: add a changelog entry to it too
[13:00] <thomasvs> oh, you did in the subdir
[13:00] <thomasvs> WHY are there changelogs in the subdir ???
[13:00] <jdahlin> it's a policy in some projects
[13:00] <jdahlin> emacs just checks ., then .. etc until it finds a ChangeLog
[13:01] <iain_> thomasvs: because they're seperate programs
[13:01] <KoRnouille> hello boys
[13:01] <iain_> thomasvs: so it makes sense to have seperate changelogs for them
[13:02] <iain_> Marlin has 3 changelogs...one for the build system, one for the library and one for the main program
[13:05] <jdahlin> taaz: did a GstBuffer/GstEvent/GstData cleanup, so the identity example should work now
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[13:09] <Manny> hi
[13:10] <Manny> do mpeg files have any characteristic fingerprints/author information that can be used to determine the source of an mpeg file?
[13:10] <KoRnouille> Manny: I don't think you can put some kind of id3tag-like inside an mpeg1, mpeg2
[13:11] <KoRnouille> (maybe mpeg4 ?)
[13:11] <Manny> dunno
[13:11] <Manny> was just a question
[13:11] <Manny> I hoped so :/
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[13:26] <thomasvs> yippi: ping ?
[13:27] <jdahlin> I'd like to commit a couple of macros and GType functions to gstdata.[ch] and gstevent.h
[13:27] <jdahlin> who should I ask?
[13:27] <jdahlin> or can I just go ahead and commit?
[13:28] <thomasvs> send to the list
[13:28] <thomasvs> I'm about to release
[13:32] <jdahlin> done
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[13:36] <wingo> yo yo yo
[13:36] <thomasvs> yay wingo
[13:36] <wingo> howdy t.
[13:37] Action: thomasvs is pretty irritated by the "devices open in ready" problem
[13:37] Action: wingo about to put in some scheduler fixen
[13:37] <wingo> DUDE!
[13:37] <wingo> I can now dynamically add, link, unlink, and remove elements -- and the sched never leaves PLAYING
[13:37] <wingo> rock. rock rock.
[13:38] Action: wingo senses channel becoming nervous ;)
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[13:39] <thomasvs> wingo: uh oh
[13:40] <thaytan> wingo: sweet :)
[13:40] <thomasvs> wingo: I'm guessing only with opt ?
[13:40] <thomasvs> wingo: I was about to do a release actually
[13:40] <thaytan> I've been doing that in gst-editor, but reliability will be sweet ;)
[13:40] <thomasvs> so yeah, I'm becoming nervous :)
[13:40] <thomasvs> thaytan: any thoughts on my error dialog tuff for gst-editor ?
[13:41] <wingo> yes with op
[13:41] <thaytan> thoughts: "uhm, huh?" ;)
[13:41] <wingo> *opt
[13:41] <thomasvs> thaytan: heh :)
[13:41] <thomasvs> thaytan: well, so I've been adding error dialog for errors from pipeline
[13:41] <thomasvs> actually, good that wingo is here :)
[13:41] <wingo> thaytan: that's cool. a command line is easier though ;)
[13:41] <thomasvs> what I would WANT is for the element that originated the error to get a red exclamation mark
[13:42] <wingo> (via scheme)
[13:42] <thomasvs> and then you can click on that to get the error
[13:42] <thomasvs> was my idea, at least
[13:42] <thomasvs> whaddayathink ?
[13:42] <thomasvs> and, can I just cast the GstObject signaling the error to the relevant editor thingy that subclasses it ?
[13:43] Action: wingo defers to thaytan
[13:43] <thaytan> I like the interface idea
[13:43] <thaytan> the GstObject signalling the error is the GstElement, isn't it?
[13:44] <iain_> wingo: you don't have your new n-to-1 1-to-n stuff done yet do you?
[13:45] <wingo> yeah, it should be in cvs
[13:45] <wingo> try the interleave plugin
[13:45] <wingo> (and deinterleave
[13:45] <thomasvs> thaytan: yeah, it is
[13:45] <wingo> )
[13:45] <iain_> wingo: oh yeah, so it is
[13:46] <iain_> wingo: so I should change my pipeline to audioconvert ! deinterleave then?
[13:47] <wingo> the interleave for int and buffer-frames=0 float isn't yet implemented, though, and audioconvert really needs to have a src fixate functions for int2float (to set buffer-frames properly)
[13:47] <iain_> okay...
[13:48] <iain_> but when it works audioconvert ! deinterleave is the way to go?
[13:48] <thaytan> thomasvs: I'm not sure how you get from the GstElement to the GstEditorElement that is modelling it for the canvas
[13:50] <wingo> iain_: yes, i think so
[13:50] <wingo> you might have to filter the connection
[13:51] <wingo> to get exactly what you want
[13:51] <wingo> although
[13:51] <wingo> if the other side of deinterleave is float, it will work properly.
[13:51] <thaytan> thomasvs: I think you need to get the GstEditorItem as the userdata for the element error callback, but I don't know how you set that up
[13:51] <iain_> well, the other side of deinterleave isn't connected until deinterleave knows how many srcpads there's going to be
[13:52] <wingo> then audioconvert ! audio/x-raw-float,buffer-frames=N ! interleave
[13:52] <wingo> (and N can be 0)
[13:52] <iain_> what does 0 mean in that case?
[13:53] <wingo> that there is no contract on how many frames can be in a buffer
[13:53] <wingo> when it is positive,
[13:54] <wingo> a plugin can expect that buffers have the given number of frames; if they do not, it means EOS or another event is coming next
[13:54] <iain_> ok
[13:54] <wingo> synchronizing buffer size across many loop elements can help performance
[13:54] <wingo> which is the reason for the property
[13:55] <iain_> and if buffer-size is 0, then the number of frames is buffer-size / sizeof (float)?
[13:55] <wingo> also it allows a pipeline like alsasrc ! complicated_pipeline ! alsasink to operate in sample-sync
[13:55] <wingo> iain_: that's always the number of frames in a buffer. the property means that
[13:55] <wingo> there will never be more, and that if there are less, the stream is at the end anyway
[13:56] <iain_> with my current pipeline I'm getting buffer-frames set to 1 and actually sending a buffer with 256 frames in it
[13:56] <iain_> what is a good number for buffer-frames?
[13:56] <wingo> hm, i wonder which part of my patch to gstpad.c was reverted exactly...
[13:57] <wingo> iain_: i use 256 -- it's a tradeoff between latency and overhead
[13:57] <thomasvs> wingo: can't I just cast a gstelement to gsteditorelement ?
[13:58] <thomasvs> hm, i guess it was the other way around
[13:58] <thaytan> you can get from gsteditorelement to gstelement easily
[13:58] <wingo> damn, i liked my fix.
[14:01] <thaytan> thomasvs: GST_EDITOR_ITEM(item)->object is the GstObject
[14:02] <wingo> i wish company were here to explain his noisiness complaint, or at least to email the list when reverting something.
[14:02] Action: wingo a bit irritated.
[14:06] <thomasvs> wingo: which one ?
[14:07] <wingo> the one consolidating tests in gst_pad_can_link_filtered, and gst_pad_link_filtered
[14:07] <wingo> anyway, not the end of the world.
[14:08] <thaytan> are you sure?
[14:08] <thaytan> I think I remember it being one of the signs of the apocalypse
[14:10] <wingo> heh
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[14:49] <dolphy> wingo: nice one :)
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[14:50] <wingo> ah, the email i guess? it makes me happy :)
[14:51] <wingo> dude, it's so nice to hack gstreamer with a command line available to you (the scheme repl)
[14:51] <wingo> you can just try things out, without having to write a file, compile it, run it, change it, etc..
[14:52] <dolphy> hehe
[14:53] <dolphy> now that you understand opt you can maybe fix AlienSong.mpg playback with opt ;-)
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[14:55] <wingo> what's the problem?
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[14:56] <Rotty> wingo: *ping*
[14:56] <wingo> Rotty: pong!
[14:56] <Rotty> wow
[14:56] <wingo> yeah, wow :)
[14:56] <Rotty> good you're here.
[14:56] <wingo> have you checked my tree?
[14:57] <dolphy> wingo: seems the scheduler is not scheduling audio sink correctly
[14:57] <Rotty> it seems that we messed up wrt arch/CVS: my patch-5 and patch-6 in the archive conflict with your patch-1 (at least)
[14:57] <dolphy> wingo: then the clock is stuck
[14:58] <wingo> dolphy: try it now, it could have to do with mistakenly scheduling a GET group before a LOOP group
[14:58] <dolphy> wingo: and video frames are coming slowly
[14:58] <dolphy> wingo: i m already rebuilding :)
[14:58] <dolphy> wingo: that's my secret hope :)
[14:58] <Rotty> wingo: /j #guile-gnome
[14:58] <wingo> Rotty: ok
[15:00] <dolphy> wingo: http://build.fluendo.com:8080/
[15:00] <dolphy> wingo: please fix that
[15:00] <dolphy> wingo: seems the build is broken
[15:00] <wingo> dolphy: ok, will fix
[15:01] <wingo> prolly has to do with company's reverting my gstpad.c patch from earlier...
[15:01] <dolphy> wingo: yeah our buildbot is very handy to check that fast
[15:01] <wingo> ah, yes. that sucks.
[15:02] <wingo> damn, i really liked my fixes to gstpad.c.
[15:03] <wingo> company put in another patch to re-add the comment:
[15:03] <wingo>   /* FIXME This function is gross.  It's almost a direct copy of
[15:03] <wingo>    * gst_pad_link_filtered().  Any decent programmer would attempt
[15:03] <wingo>    * to merge the two functions, which I will do some day. --ds
[15:03] <wingo>    */
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[15:17] <wingo> dolphy: committed a fix
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[15:18] <dolphy> wingo: ok
[15:19] <dolphy> wingo: i m checking what buildbot tells
[15:19] <dolphy> wingo: ok seems to be ok
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[15:26] <wingo-away> back in an hour
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[15:31] <earthw0rm> i was asking yesterday, but i'll try again now, is there a way to concatinate to ogg files using gstreamer?
[15:32] <earthw0rm> s/to/two
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[16:08] <taaz> wingo-away: grr.  do you really need to gloat about all your fancy elite guile hackery? ;)
[16:09] <taaz> i guess you do
[16:09] <taaz> not to worry.  at some point py code will catch up and people will be able to write same fancy code (but () it (will (be) (readable)))
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[16:11] <taaz> jdahlin: wingo pointed out that guile automagically handles adding interface bindings to objects.  py needs to do the same someday
[16:11] <jdahlin> taaz: okay, that's on our todo list then
[16:12] <jdahlin> dolphy: I fixed your setup btw
[16:12] <taaz> i think that's more of a pygtk hacking issue than a gst-python one
[16:14] <dolphy> jdahlin: my setup ?
[16:15] <jdahlin> dolphy: err, your slave
[16:15] <thomasvs> whee
[16:15] <jdahlin> dolphy: as you might have seen
[16:15] Action: thomasvs loves buildbot doing make distcheck
[16:15] <thomasvs> jdahlin: we really need to put in the testsuite too
[16:15] <thomasvs> jdahlin: as soon as that is in, I can pretty much release blindly whenever I feel the need to
[16:15] <thomasvs> well, not really, but close
[16:18] <dolphy> thomasvs: yeah that's the goal
[16:18] <dolphy> thomasvs: i want weekly releases
[16:18] <thomasvs> dolphy: yes boss
[16:18] <dolphy> thomasvs: and automatic packaging
[16:19] <taaz> weekly releases is overkill
[16:19] <jdahlin> dolphy: then we can replace thomasvs with a monkey
[16:20] <thomasvs> I already am a monkey
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[16:20] <jdahlin> that's beside the point
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[16:20] <dolphy> taaz: nah it's not
[16:20] <dolphy> taaz: it's pure machine work
[16:21] <thomasvs> dolphy: not yet - there are still things we cannot test just by running a test
[16:21] <dolphy> thomasvs: well that's a goal :)
[16:21] <thomasvs> maybe :)
[16:21] <dolphy> thomasvs: cvs activity will really increase in the next monthes
[16:21] <thomasvs> man, I'm really peeved about our audio sink problem
[16:21] <dolphy> thomasvs: :-D
[16:21] <thomasvs> dolphy: let's hope it will :)
[16:22] <dolphy> thomasvs: sure it will :)
[16:23] <dolphy> thomasvs: and if we want to get things fixed we need to make it easy for end users to have bleeding edge gstreamer running
[16:23] <dolphy> thomasvs: and i know matthias won't package cvs snapshots
[16:23] <dolphy> thomasvs: only releases
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[16:24] <taaz> dolphy: from a users perspective if you see weekly releases of libraries it's not a sign of stability.  libs should sort of level off and the apps should be adding features daily. ;)
[16:24] <yippi> thomasvs: whats up?
[16:24] <thomasvs> yippi: just sent a mail, to request the licensing document :)
[16:24] <taaz> just my opinion i guess
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[16:24] <dolphy> taaz: well the core won't probably do weekly releases
[16:24] <dolphy> taaz: but if gstreamer is successfull packages will flow in
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[16:25] <dolphy> taaz: so depending on plugins segmentation
[16:25] <thomasvs> dolphy: I already did daily snapshot packages of gst and nobody cared
[16:25] <taaz> plus it'll mean i have to get around to really automating the debian build stuff ;)  bleh!
[16:25] <dolphy> taaz: regular releases might be needed
[16:25] <iamthelukas> .hereis the gnomevfssrc, spider, volume plugin? its not in the 0.7.4 tarball
[16:26] <yippi> thomasvs: i'll take a look
[16:29] <thomasvs> ka
[16:29] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: sure it is
[16:29] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: what makes you say this ?
[16:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: can you try mpeg playback in examples/gstplay/player ?
[16:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: will it work ?
[16:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: it still doesn't work on ppc
[16:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: but might work on x86
[16:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: I'm pretty sure it won't work here either
[16:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: please try
[16:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: with latest cvs head
[16:30] <iamthelukas> because when i run rhythmbox configure it doesnt find them
[16:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: wingo did a fix in opt
[16:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: and i think it might fix the issue
[16:30] <taaz> dolphy: frequent releases will also require developers to figure out cvs branching.  which based on past experiance won't happen.  we should try an experiment using arch or svn.
[16:30] <iamthelukas> also alsasink and osssink
[16:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: my issue on ppc is segfault
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[16:31] <thomasvs> dolphy: it hangs, still, after a few secs
[16:31] <thomasvs> dolphy: so, same as it ever was
[16:31] <dolphy> thomasvs: you have latest cvs head of opt ?
[16:31] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: how did you install gst ? you installed it incorrectly
[16:31] <thomasvs> dolphy: maybe not, i'll try again
[16:31] <iamthelukas> thomasvs: how should i install it ?
[16:31] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: how did you ?
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[16:32] <thomasvs> dolphy: strange thing; timetick is staying at same number, but the video is moving at one frame per second
[16:32] <iamthelukas> thomasvs: configure, make, make install
[16:32] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: did you run gst-register ?
[16:32] <thomasvs> iamthelukas: what platform are you on anyway ?
[16:33] <dolphy> thomasvs: because it's a one hour ago fix
[16:33] <iamthelukas> thomasvs: gst-register seemed to do the trick, thanks
[16:34] <thomasvs> sigh
[16:34] <thomasvs> how will I ever be able to do a release if people just commit big chunks of code all the time :)
[16:35] <taaz> ahem, like i was saying, we need something easier to deal with than cvs for distributed development
[16:36] <thomasvs> taaz: like I was saying, someone needs to do the research and explain what to do
[16:36] <taaz> rb development would be something to look at
[16:37] <thomasvs> well, feel free to write our migration docs
[16:37] <taaz> heh ;)
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[16:39] <yippi> thomasvs: i just sent you the document.
[16:39] <thomasvs> yippi: great, thanks !
[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: yeah it's scheduling issue like i told you
[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: if osssink is not scheduled correctly the clock is stuck
[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: and then ximagesink is waiting on a non moving clock
[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: so you get a very slooowwwwwww media
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[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: it works with basicgthread
[16:40] <dolphy> thomasvs: so it's only a scheduling issue
[16:40] <thomasvs> well, it's rebuilding
[16:41] <thomasvs> pfw, still too many bugs left to fix
[16:42] <dolphy> thomasvs: and MPEG container can only contain mpeg video ?
[16:44] <thomasvs> dolphy: huh ?
[16:47] <yippi> thomasvs: np
[16:48] <dolphy> thomasvs: i m looking in mpegdemux to see how to add the tag of video-codec
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[16:56] <thomasvs> dolphy: nothing changed, still same behaviour
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[16:59] <sysan> does anyone can give me an example of using the RTP plugins
[17:02] <thomasvs> dolphy: why do you think it would be fixed ?
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[17:08] <wingo> back for just 2 min, just to see if I broke the scheduler
[17:10] <taaz> would be nice to have deterministic tests for the schedulers.  is that even possible?
[17:12] <wingo> what do you mean?
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[17:12] <taaz> i mean you should know if the scheduler is broken already ;)
[17:12] <wingo> that would be difficult ;)
[17:13] <taaz> how is it supposed to be tested to determine if you did break anything?
[17:13] <wingo> you would have to define the variants of gst topology
[17:13] <thomasvs> wingo: any chance you could fix MPEG video playback in opt scheduler ?
[17:13] <taaz> wiggle seek sliders and see what happens is not a really solid test ;)
[17:14] <wingo> thomasvs: possibly. put a bzipped debug-level=5 trace somewhere
[17:14] <thomasvs> wingo: ok, will do
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[17:28] <thomasvs> wingo: http://thomas.apestaart.org/download/tmp/out.bz2
[17:28] <thomasvs> wingo: that's from gst-plugins/examples/gstplay/player alien.mpg
[17:29] <alley_cat> hmm, why is every other frame green when using xviddec?
[17:29] <thomasvs> wingo: that player example is pretty much the same as what gst-player/totem have
[17:29] <thomasvs> alley_cat: file a bug so someone here fixes it
[17:29] <wingo> ok
[17:30] <thomasvs> wingo: dolphy says it's a scheduler bug, since he claims it works with basicgthread
[17:30] <wingo> i'll look at it, but it might be a week before I get back to you
[17:30] <thomasvs> wingo: probably osssink not being scheduled correctly, thus the whole pipeline blocking
[17:30] <thomasvs> wingo: que sera sera
[17:31] <wingo> indeed ;)
[17:32] <wingo> aight folks, have a nice week.
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[17:35] <alley_cat> thomasvs: still the gnome bugzilla or has that moved to freedesktop too?
[17:37] <thomasvs> alley_cat: still gnome
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[17:48] <earthw0rm> how can i swap this command around to do the opposit?
[17:48] <earthw0rm> gst-launch filesrc location=music.mp3 ! mad ! vorbisenc ! filesink location=music.ogg
[17:49] <Misirlou> The opposite is the worst thing a person could ever do!
[17:50] <earthw0rm> i know, i will put it back after  :)
[17:50] <earthw0rm> i want to make to ogg's into mp3, then use an mp3 tool to combine them, then put them back to ogg
[17:50] <Misirlou> That said, wouldn't it be something like "gst-launch filesrc location=music.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec ! madenc ! filesink location=music.mp3"?
[17:51] <Misirlou> I haven't kept up with the changes.
[17:51] <bitshifter> earthw0rm: why in the world would you want to do that?
[17:51] <earthw0rm> got two oggs that should be in the same track
[17:51] <Misirlou> earthw0rm: You can just run "cat track1.ogg track2.ogg track3.ogg etc.ogg > album.ogg".
[17:51] <earthw0rm> its messing up my tagging
[17:52] <iain_> earthw0rm: try using multifilesrc instead of filesrc
[17:52] <earthw0rm> Misirlou: i tried that, it bombs Xine/Totem
[17:53] <earthw0rm> iain_: what will that do?
[17:53] <Misirlou> Ow. File a bug, PLEASE!
[17:53] <Misirlou> That is completely legal behavior.
[17:53] <iain_> it'll take multi files and pipe them all
[17:53] <jdahlin> are tags for oggs on a stream basis or file basis?
[17:54] <earthw0rm> could i do this without the ogg to mp3 convertion then using multifilesrc iain_?
[17:54] <Misirlou> iain_: What is the multifilesrc syntax?
[17:54] <Misirlou> jdahlin: Stream.
[17:54] <iain_> so multifilesrc locations=file1.ogg,file2.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec ! madenc ! filesink location=music.mp3
[17:55] <jdahlin> Misirlou: It would be nice to have both, so I can have a whole album in one file with artist/album/year for the file and number and title for the streams
[17:55] <Misirlou> s/madenc/vorbisenc/ :X
[17:55] <iain_> will give music.mp3 consisting of file1.ogg and file2.ogg
[17:55] <earthw0rm> could i change the mp3 bit to re-encode it as an ogg?
[17:55] <iain_> earthw0rm: yes
[17:55] <iain_> earthw0rm: I'm just not sure of what it would be...
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[17:55] <earthw0rm> multifilesrc locations=file1.ogg,file2.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec ! vorbisenc ! filesink location=music.ogg
[17:55] <earthw0rm> ?
[17:56] <iain_> earthw0rm: do you need oggmux?
[17:56] <bitshifter> earthw0rm: you do realise that encoding ogg->mp3 and mp3->ogg will decrease the quality with each step, right?
[17:56] <earthw0rm> im very unfamiliar with gstreamer tbh mate, i am guessing based on my limited experience
[17:56] <earthw0rm> bitshifter: no, i didn't realise that
[17:57] <Misirlou> Ogg -> Ogg should be transparently lossless at high enough bit rates.
[17:57] <Misirlou> er
[17:57] <Misirlou> Transparently lossy
[17:57] <Misirlou> I'm confusing myself.
[17:57] <earthw0rm> so i should try to get ogg to ogg concatenation to work if i can
[17:57] <iain_> earthw0rm: I'm not sure what the multidisksrc syntax is though...locations wants a list
[17:58] <iain_> earthw0rm: you'll have to find someone who knows gst-launch better than me to find out how gst-launch will make lists
[17:58] <earthw0rm> if i can't find somebody here, my chances are slim  :)
[17:58] <earthw0rm> anybody?
[17:58] <iain_> earthw0rm: someone like company or BBB will know I guess. maybe ds-work_ as well
[17:59] <Misirlou> Company is familiar with that oggdemux. I think he wrote it.
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[17:59] <earthw0rm> are these people all not here/away ?
[17:59] <iain_> they'll be around eventually
[18:00] <Misirlou> Too busy coding, probably. ;)
[18:00] <earthw0rm> thats whats important
[18:00] <thomasvs> earthw0rm: mailing the mailing list is the preferred way of getting help
[18:00] <earthw0rm> of course, sorry for spamming out your channel mate
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[18:14] <iain_> signaling error in mad0: Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.
[18:14] <iain_> I find all the fun bugs :)
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[18:21] <thomasvs> iain_: what were you doing ?
[18:22] <iain_> filesrc ! spider ! audioconvert ! deinterleave ! sink
[18:22] <iain_> with an mp3
[18:24] <thomasvs> iain_: I'm not sure personally audioconvert works well atm, I'm having similar nego problems
[18:26] <iain_> thats what I'm figuring
[18:33] <iain_> hmm, seems to be a problem with my attempts to filter the connection between audioconvert and deinterleave
[18:35] <thomasvs> it looks to me like audioconvert always tries to change the number of channels
[18:36] <iain_> hmm, thats a bad thing for me
[18:36] <thomasvs> for me too :)
[18:36] <thomasvs> but I'm not sure how it's supposed to work to be correct
[18:36] <iain_> maybe I should stick with int2float ! deinterleave at the moment
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[18:39] <iain_> oh, fixed it
[18:41] <iain_> thomasvs: does audioconvert always change it to one channel?
[18:42] <thomasvs> iain_: I'm not sure - I'm just saying I was testing some recording pipelines, and it seemed to do that
[18:43] <thomasvs> I still need to investigate
[18:43] <iain_> yeah, it seems to do that here too
[18:43] <iain_> but at least marlin seems to be loading tracks again :D
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[18:48] <iain_> thomasvs: I'd imagine its supposed to keep the same number of channels out as there are coming in?
[18:48] <iain_> thomasvs: guess we'll have to ask company
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[19:05] <Uraeus> yo lads
[19:06] <iain_> yo
[19:09] <thomasvs> jdahlin: now get the irc bot to work :)
[19:10] <jdahlin> thomasvs: he works
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[19:25] <Uraeus> thomasvs: where is the text for --enable-docs-build defined? considering the option we have is disable-docs-build, not enable docs build I want to change it, but grepping through the gstreamer directory gives me nads
[19:27] <taaz> common/m4/gst-docs.m4
[19:28] <taaz> what's wrong with the way it works now?
[19:28] <Uraeus> taaz: the configure listing only lists --enable-docs-build, while --disable-docs-build is what works as you pointed out in bugzilla
[19:29] <taaz> oh i see... you just want to flip the naming and default?
[19:29] <taaz> or just the naming i guess
[19:29] <Uraeus> taaz: well I want --disable-docs-build to be the one showing when people do 'configure --help'
[19:29] <taaz> in any case, the code seems to work ;)
[19:30] <Uraeus> taaz: umm, I don't seem to have any gst-docs.m4 in my cvs checkup for some reason
[19:30] <taaz> gst-doc.m4
[19:30] <Uraeus> nm
[19:31] <taaz> the configure help does have some generic help for --enable-FEATURE/--disable-FEATURE implying that it would work for docs too...  but maybe that's confusing in this case
[19:33] <Uraeus> taaz: well since the docs build by default I just think it is more natural to list disabling it :)
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[20:02] <Uraeus> wtay-typing: I guess you have some busy months ahead of you now getting everything in Leuven settled :)
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[20:51] <Uraeus> wb thomasvs
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[21:17] <mxpxpod> hey there Uraeus :)
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[21:22] <Uraeus> hey mxpxpod
[21:22] <mxpxpod> how's it goin?
[21:22] <Uraeus> rocking and rolling :)
[21:22] <mxpxpod> Uraeus: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135308
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[21:25] <Uraeus> hi Company
[21:25] <Company> hi
[21:25] <Uraeus> mxpxpod: great work :)
[21:25] <mxpxpod> :)
[21:25] <mxpxpod> thanks
[21:25] <mxpxpod> now, if someone would just go over it and commit it....
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[21:25] <mxpxpod> ;)
[21:26] <Company> commit what?
[21:26] <mxpxpod> Company: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135308
[21:28] <Uraeus> mxpxpod: I think it would be better if we got you a cvs account :)
[21:28] <mxpxpod> heh
[21:28] <Company> oh, C++
[21:28] Action: Uraeus miss that ease of account creation from SF
[21:28] Action: Company runs
[21:28] Action: mxpxpod has a gnome cvs account :)
[21:28] <mxpxpod> but gstreamer isn't there...
[21:28] <Uraeus> mxpxpod: you need a SF cvs account
[21:28] <Uraeus> errr
[21:28] <Uraeus> freedesktop I mean
[21:28] <mxpxpod> yeah, I know
[21:29] <mxpxpod> Uraeus: I wouldn't want one until the Gnome Platform Bindings release is done
[21:29] <mxpxpod> Uraeus: I did that patch in like 2 days... it was pretty easy ;)
[21:30] <mxpxpod> but since I was gstreamer illiterate, I had to ask tons of questions in here ;)
[21:30] <mxpxpod> I still kind of am gstreamer illiterate
[21:31] <Uraeus> Company: btw, you should move your gst-devel sub to your gnome.org address if you are using that from now, it is kinda tiring having to approve so many mails from you :)
[21:31] <mxpxpod> I can read "See Spot Run", but that's about it for my gstreamer literacy :)
[21:31] <Company> Uraeus: i noticed that and decided to keep using the old address ;)
[21:33] <Company> weee, perl is fun
[21:33] <Company> though my code looks like newbie code :/
[21:34] <Uraeus> heh :)
[21:34] <mxpxpod> Company: perl? fun?
[21:34] <Company> yeah
[21:34] <mxpxpod> you have to be joking ;)
[21:34] <Company> for text munching its even better than bash
[21:34] <mxpxpod> eh, yeah
[21:35] <mxpxpod> what about python? :)
[21:35] <Company> dunno, the python code i saw didn't impress me
[21:35] <mxpxpod> oh, ok
[21:35] <Company> (at least for text munching)
[21:35] <mxpxpod> heh
[21:35] <Company> i might use python to write gui code
[21:35] <iain_> oh, Company :)
[21:36] <iain_> Company: is audioconvert supposed to convert everything to mono?
[21:36] <Company> iain_: "supposed to"?
[21:36] <Company> depends on source and sink caps i'd say
[21:36] <iain_> Company: well, my pipeline spider ! audioconvert ! deinterleave is always outputting mono
[21:36] <iain_> no matter what the input it
[21:37] <iain_> thomasvs has had the same problem too
[21:37] <Company> isn't deinterleave supposed to output multiple mono pads?
[21:37] <iain_> yup
[21:38] <iain_> but its only outputting one mono pad
[21:38] <iain_> which means its only getting mono input
[21:39] <iain_> i dunno what thomasvs' pipeline is, maybe he can help us
[21:39] <thomasvs> [gst-head] [thomas@otto oss]$ gst-launch osssrc ! audioconvert ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=2,rate=8000 ! fakesink
[21:39] <thomasvs> RUNNING pipeline ...
[21:39] <thomasvs>  
[21:39] <thomasvs> ** (process:5049): WARNING **: couldn't set the right number of channels (wanted 1, got 2), enjoy the tone difference
[21:39] <Company> gst-launch -v filesrc ! mad ! audioconvert ! deinterleave ! osssink
[21:39] <thomasvs> so I ask it to get me 2 channels through audioconvert, and for some reason it thinks it should get only 1 from osssrc
[21:39] <Company> that one says it uses stereo
[21:40] <thomasvs> for some unrelated reason, my card can't do mono source :)
[21:40] <thomasvs> but I'm assuming it's audioconvert that is deciding that it's sink pad should take 1 channel instead of 2
[21:40] <Company> i'm pretty sure it's the default fixate function that decides this
[21:41] <iain_> Company: if it helps i'm making audioconvert do int2float by filtering the caps on the src pad
[21:46] <Company> i'm still not sure audioconvert should do int/float at all...
[21:46] <Company> anyway
[21:46] <Company> audioconvert has no fixate function, neither does osssrc, so it's autofixated to the minimum
[21:47] <thomasvs> ok, so what's the right way to fix this ?
[21:47] <Company> set filtercaps
[21:47] <thomasvs> where ?
[21:48] <Company> between osssrc and audioconvert
[21:48] <thomasvs> uh, that would suck
[21:48] <thomasvs> how do you know which of the two osssrc supports ?
[21:48] <thomasvs> the whole point of the caps nego was to allow osssrc and audioconvert to figure out together what to fixate to, no ?
[21:48] <Company> i didn't invent oss and it's inability of queryinmg supported formats...
[21:49] <Company> yeah, but oss doesn't allow querying capabilities
[21:49] <thomasvs> I thought we moved device opening to READY so that we actually could query them
[21:49] <Company> yeah
[21:49] <Company> alsasrc would do it correctly
[21:49] <thomasvs> hang on.  it's not that hard to set them on oss and renegotiate if it's not correct, is it ?
[21:49] <Company> (if alsalib doesn't egfault anymore that is)
[21:49] <Company> it is
[21:50] <Company> because you can't substract caps
[21:51] <thomasvs> so we redid caps nego, but we forgot to take into account some of the more basic things like osssrc ?
[21:51] <ds-work_> osssrc should have a fixate function
[21:51] <Company> no
[21:51] Nick change: ds-work_ -> ds-work
[21:51] <Company> but what should osssrc fixate to?
[21:51] <ds-work> 44100,16,2
[21:52] <Company> yeah, ok
[21:52] <Company> that'd at least solve most cases
[21:52] <Company> (probably not iain's extigy though ;))
[21:52] <ds-work> remember, fixate functions are not supposed to solve cases
[21:52] <ds-work> it's supposed to make gst-launch not suck
[21:53] <iain_> Company: I'm not using the extigy anymore...
[21:53] <Company> i bet we'll support caps substraction at some point
[21:53] <Company> iain_: booo
[21:53] <iain_> although I should use it for my laptop
[21:53] <thomasvs> so, basically, I'm screwed if we want to fix gnome-sound-recorder for the general case ?
[21:53] <Company> iain_: who's gonna test for bugs then? ;p
[21:53] <thomasvs> I can't believe we can't write a simple recorder app :)
[21:53] <thomasvs> or a player app, for that matter
[21:54] <Company> we're not out to write a simple recorder app
[21:54] <thomasvs> we're pretty much approaching perfect GStreamer design, too bad the world has a less-perfect design
[21:54] <thomasvs> Company: that's completely wrong
[21:54] <thomasvs> Company: we're not out to *only* write a simple recorder app
[21:54] <Company> yeah
[21:54] <thomasvs> Company: but if we can't even support a simple recording app, nobody is going to even give us a try doing the complex stuff
[21:54] <Company> we'll have a perfect recorder app
[21:54] <Company> ... when we're done
[21:54] <thomasvs> well, that's not what we told gnome afaik
[21:55] <Company> i have no clue what you told gnome
[21:55] <thomasvs> *I* didn't tell them anyone :)
[21:55] <thomasvs> er, anything
[21:55] <Company> me neither
[21:55] <thomasvs> as a group, we told them 0.8 would be ready by 2.6
[21:55] <Company> yeah
[21:55] <thomasvs> Company: hm, I vaguely recall you initiating the push for 0.8 in 2.6 ?
[21:55] <Company> yes
[21:56] <thomasvs> ok, so what am I missing ?
[21:56] <Company> but caps nego not working for obscure sound cards has always been an issue, so what?
[21:56] <thomasvs> oh, so you think we should always keep the bugs we have when we tell gnome we're targetting their platform ?
[21:57] <Company> yeah, that was my intention
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[21:57] <thomasvs> pffff
[21:57] <thomasvs> I guess I hoped we were aiming for better :)
[21:58] <Company> we are
[21:58] <ds-work> yippi: I have an Ultra 10 now
[21:58] <ds-work> yippi: thanks
[21:58] <Company> but we have only so much time
[21:58] <yippi> ds-work: excellent!  Glad we finally came through.  :)  Are you going to start the integration work soon?
[21:58] <ds-work> sound card negotiation needs someone who cares to make it work really well
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[21:59] <Company> sound card nego needs caps substraction
[21:59] <ds-work> yippi: I have to get it networked first.  That's a bit of a problem since my house is all wireless
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[22:00] <thomasvs> Company: well, if you have some time to write up what exactly it needs and how it would work, I don't mind giving it a stab
[22:00] <ds-work> Company: you can do it without caps subtraction
[22:00] <thomasvs> I just have no idea what the two of you think is the right idea to do this
[22:00] <Company> ds-work: yeah, but i guess implementing caps substraction would be easier
[22:00] <ds-work> thomasvs: what is needed is for osssrc and osssink to properly advertise the formats they support
[22:01] <ds-work> thomasvs: and if negotiation discovers a format that isn't supported, that needs to be taken into account for future negotiation
[22:01] <thomasvs> ds-work: ok - didn't we move device capture to READY so that we could do that ?
[22:01] <Company> in a perfect gstreamer world, link functions would return void
[22:01] <thomasvs> ds-work: so it should store in the registry things it tried and failed at ?
[22:01] <ds-work> thomasvs: no
[22:01] <ds-work> thomasvs: and, no
[22:02] <thomasvs> ok, so what was wrong in my question ? :)
[22:03] <ds-work> thomasvs: osssink can only store negotiation failures in a given instance for a given sound card
[22:03] <ds-work> so that means only in READY,PAUSED,PLAYING
[22:03] <iain_> hmm, forcing channels=2 between audioscale and deinterleave makes it work...although I think deinterleave is busted too
[22:04] <ds-work> and maybe in NULL as long as the device doesn't change
[22:05] <thomasvs> ds-work: so, a try_setcaps would make oss try to set the caps by opening the device ?
[22:05] <thomasvs> and try all until it finds one that makes sense ?
[22:05] <thomasvs> storing internally the ones that failed ?
[22:06] <ds-work> the device should already be open
[22:06] <thomasvs> yeah, but it can reopen
[22:07] <ds-work> one possibility is to try a bunch of formats at open time, to get a good idea of what to advertise in getcaps
[22:07] <ds-work> and ignore any mistakes
[22:07] <yippi> ds-work: okay, keep me posted about your progress
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[22:07] <ds-work> that's what we do now, except for the "good idea"
[22:08] <ds-work> yippi: btw, this Ultra 10 is a particularly crappy machine
[22:08] <ds-work> yippi: maybe it's just not configured correctly
[22:08] <ds-work> yippi: I haven't used 8-bit video in ages
[22:08] <thomasvs> I'm not entirely convinced we shouldn't store device capabilities somewhere
[22:09] <yippi> ds-work: you can probably reconfigure it to use 24 bit
[22:09] <ds-work> thomasvs: how do you know the device hasn't changed between invocations?
[22:09] <ds-work> yippi: how?
[22:09] <thomasvs> ie, basically we would opening and closing the device a bunch of times to guess possible formats, with the resulting pops
[22:09] <thomasvs> ds-work: you don't, but you tell the users they should run gst-register if they change their hardware
[22:09] Action: ds-work is a Solaris newbie
[22:10] <thomasvs> ds-work: ie, doing expensive device probing every time for the rare occasion a user might swap a piece of hardware seems the wrong way around to me
[22:10] <yippi> ds-work: can you run commands on the machine now?
[22:10] <ds-work> yippi: no
[22:10] <ds-work> thomasvs: it shouldn't be expensive, actually
[22:11] <thomasvs> ds-work: no, but I know a whole bunch of cards that make some sort of noise when you do this, so it will make lots of pops for this
[22:11] <ds-work> thomasvs: as I just swapped mb/CPU/chassis on one of my machines yesterday, I don't think it's as uncommon as you think
[22:11] <Company> apart from that i'm on different machines while my registry stays the same
[22:12] <yippi> ds-work: this website explains how
[22:12] <yippi> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/solaris-gnome/install.html
[22:12] <ds-work> thomasvs: also, I don't think that plugging a different USB sound card should cause me to have to run gst-register
[22:13] <yippi> see #4 in the Installing GNOME 1.4 section
[22:13] <thomasvs> I'm not saying it necessarily needs to be in the registry as it is today - I'm saying, it seems wrong to reprobe stuff that is going to give you the same result in 99.99 percent of the cases
[22:13] <ds-work> thomasvs: in fact, I'd like to be able to have rb not even care that the sound card changed
[22:13] <ds-work> without stopping rb
[22:14] <thomasvs> well, I have high hopes for a lot of things too
[22:14] <thomasvs> but on a practical level, I'd like people to be impressed by us in gnome 2.6, not pissed off
[22:14] <yippi> ds-work: this website also talks about it.  http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/evalGuide/solaris.9.eval.guide.pdf  Refer to pge 8.
[22:14] <thomasvs> and I'm willing to do work to make that happen ....
[22:14] <thomasvs> .... but I'm not in charge of designing it, I'm just a guy that takes your plans and tries to check them in practice
[22:16] <ds-work> yippi: thanks, I'll look at those
[22:16] <yippi> ds-work: yes 8-bit is the default, you have to change it to use 24-bit, and it depends on the graphics card.  The website explains how to for the most common graphics cards.
[22:17] <ds-work> thomasvs: the other alternative is to advertise everything you _think_ the sound card supports (without probing)
[22:17] <ds-work> thomasvs: and if negotiation decides on a format that isn,t supported, return DELAYED, make a note that it is unsupported
[22:17] <ds-work> and don't advertise that format in getcaps anymore
[22:19] <Company> that'll break a lot opf stuff i bet
[22:19] <Company> because the core doesn't retry caps nego on delayed
[22:20] <ds-work> not immediately
[22:20] <ds-work> but it could
[22:20] <Company> yeah
[22:20] <Company> gst_pad_set_explicit_caps; gst_pad_push;
[22:20] <ds-work> that was left ambiguous, so we could support osssink
[22:20] <Company> most filters do it like this
[22:22] <ds-work> there's a different in the meaning of what pad_link() functions return, and what gst_pad_try_set_caps() returns
[22:22] <ds-work> the core may change return values
[22:22] Action: ds-work wanders to lunch
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[22:26] <ramon> Hi all.
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[22:30] <ramon> Hi Zeenix
[22:31] <Zeenix> hi
[22:40] Nick change: md` -> md```
[22:40] Nick change: md``` -> md`
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[22:59] <ramon> Echo echo.
[23:01] <ramon> See you. My phone bill will hit me if I do not leave.
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[23:08] <bchildsdotcom> Hi, I am experiencing little clicks every 4 seconds or so when playing files with rhythmbox, had the same problem with XMMS but was able to fix it by turning off mmap mode, using alsa output. Currently I am still useing osssink don
[23:08] <bchildsdotcom> sry
[23:08] <bchildsdotcom> don't have the alsa plugin
[23:08] <bchildsdotcom> anyway thanks for any help.
[23:09] <ds-work> gstreamer doesn't use mmap output
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> hm
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> ok
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> what about the alsa oss layer?
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> Because with ossink it would just be using the alsa emulation.
[23:10] <ds-work> we don't have any control over that
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> ok
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> so If I download the alsasink plugin it would fix it?
[23:10] <bchildsdotcom> I'll do that.
[23:10] <ds-work> possibly
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> oj
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> ok
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> I'll try it.
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> thanks
[23:11] <ds-work> if you use alsa, you should be using alsasink
[23:11] <ds-work> at least, for 0.7
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> yeah I just don't have it...
[23:11] <bchildsdotcom> I have .6.5
[23:11] <ds-work> then you're stuck with osssink
[23:12] <bchildsdotcom> ok
[23:12] <bchildsdotcom> I'll see if I can find an alsa person
[23:12] <bchildsdotcom> who might be able to help me.
[23:12] <bchildsdotcom> thanks for your help..
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[23:30] <iain_> does that analogy mean that the person who got killed was to blame?
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[23:31] <iain_> mxpxpod: your guns/spoons analogy is flawed
[23:31] <mxpxpod> yeah, probably :)
[23:31] <iain_> because it implies that the person who got killed was to blame
[23:31] <mxpxpod> I saw it on a bumper sticker and thought it was funny
[23:31] Action: wheels will ignore the other problems with the statement.
[23:32] <iain_> wheels: well, yeah, that was my biggest problem with it at the moment
[23:32] <wheels> Though the most amusing pro-gun bumper sticker that I've ever seen was "Keep honking; I'm reloading."
[23:32] <mxpxpod> iain_: heh
[23:32] <mxpxpod> wheels: that's hilarious
[23:33] <iain_> wheels: I term that sort of message pro-asshole rather than pro-gun
[23:33] <wheels> iain_: Yes, but the emphasis was on the ammusement.  :-)
[23:34] <iain_> yeah, it is amusing :)
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[23:35] <mxpxpod> iain_: I need to change my quit message, though... I've had this one too long ;)
[23:36] Action: wheels notes that the other problem with said anology is that the average spoon isn't designed to make one fat.
[23:36] <iain_> so, if I create a caps with gst_caps_new_simple ("audio/x-float-int", "buffer-frames", G_TYPE_INT, 256, NULL); then how are the other values for the caps determined?
[23:37] <iain_> wheels: my other issue was that it could also be arguing that "Guns don't kill people, bullets do"
[23:37] <wheels> iain_: Have you seen the clip from Chris Rock on that?
[23:37] <iain_> no?
[23:38] <mxpxpod> it's pretty funny
[23:38] <mxpxpod> and I'm not a chris rock fan
[23:38] <wheels> iain_: "We don't need no gun control -- we need some bullet control [...] I think every bullet should cost five-thousand dollars [...]"
[23:39] <iain_> oh wait, that was in bowling for columbine wasn't it?
[23:39] <wheels> iain_: yeah
[23:39] <iain_> I have seen it then :)
[23:45] <mxpxpod> iain_: ok, I changed my exit message
[23:45] <mxpxpod> s/exit/quit/
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[23:53] Action: ibsteveog thinks that spoons are not designed to make people fat.. and guns are not designed to kill people... (ibsteveog grew up with guns, never killed any humans) =P
[23:54] <ibsteveog> i know i've asked this every day for the past 3 days, but does anyone have a good place to go for help with ffmpeg?
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[23:59] <wheels> ibsteveog: Ok, I'll modify that one.  Pistols are designed to kill people.
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[00:08] <ramon> Anyone?
[00:09] <thaytoo> hi
[00:10] <ramon> It seems that it is a good time to be in bed.
[00:11] <ramon> See you.
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[00:11] <thaytoo> excellent :)
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[00:44] <mathrick> yo
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[00:58] <Torrey> Hello gstreamer developers.  I'm having trouble getting gstreamer-0.7.4 working on my Fedora machine.
[00:58] <Torrey> Are there known problems?  Or would you like a bug report?  Is there a bugzilla for gstreamer?
[01:01] <Torrey> Hmm, anyone here?  
[01:02] <Torrey> Anyway... I compiled and installed gstreamer-0.7.4 without problems.  Following the documentation, I then ran gst-register as root.
[01:02] <Torrey> That produced the following messages:rebuilding global_registry (/usr/var/cache/gstreamer-0.7/registry.xml)
[01:02] <Torrey>  
[01:02] <Torrey> (process:20873): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: specified class size for type `GstGOOM' is smaller than the parent type's `GstElement' class size
[01:02] <Torrey>  
[01:02] <Torrey> (process:20873): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstelementfactory.c: line 188 (gst_element_register): assertion `g_type_is_a (type, GST_TYPE_ELEMENT)' failed
[01:03] <Torrey> added plugin gstvideo with 0 feature(s)
[01:03] <Torrey> /usr/bin/gst-register-0.7: relocation error: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.7/libgstxvideosink.so: undefined symbol: gst_props_new
[01:03] <Torrey> if someone out there knows a fix, please email me at [email protected] -- thanks.
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[01:12] <mathrick> night
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