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[05:13] <BBB> whee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:13] Action: BBB cheers
[05:13] <BBB> MY LAPTOP WORKS!
[05:15] <NFusi0n> woo woo
[05:15] Action: BBB will take his laptop to work tomorrow and do all updates (CVS, distro, ...) tomorrow
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[10:27] <teuf> hi
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[10:49] <dolphy> morning
[10:49] <teuf> hi dolphy
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[11:33] <jdahlin> Why is gst-launch-ext using vorbisfile instead of oggdemux ! vorbisdec?
[11:33] <thomasvs> because nobody bothered to update it yet
[11:34] <thomasvs> don't forget to add float2intnew :)
[11:35] <jdahlin> after or before?
[11:44] <thomasvs> after
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[12:54] <sysan> Any idea which plugin I am missing I get
[12:54] <sysan> WARNING **: Unrecoverable syntax error while parsing pipeline
[12:54] <sysan> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "filesrc".
[12:54] <thomasvs> sysan: did you run gst-register ?
[12:55] <sysan> yep 
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[12:56] <sysan> it works with gst-launch osssrc ! osssink
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[14:19] <teuf> thomasvs: your mail to d-d-l doesn't have an attachment...
[14:21] <bilboed> a project dev question : is there a free online groupware (schedules, tasks, publication, ... (all but code)) site better than sourceforge ?
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[17:11] <jdahlin> When using mad ! spider ! osssink, I get errors like this GStreamer-WARNING **: could not load valid typefind function for feature 'image/*'
[17:11] <jdahlin> err, not mad, just a filesrc pointing to a mp3
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[18:50] <BBB> thomasvs: you would really be my hero-of-the-day if you could fix the "offline docs build"
[18:51] <thomasvs> BBB: if you have fedora core 1 and install my openjade rpm it just works
[18:51] <BBB> I have RH9, sorry
[18:51] <thomasvs> BBB: other than that, it boils down to broken catalogs
[18:51] <jdahlin> maybe you can rebuild the srpm
[18:51] <BBB> good idea...
[18:51] <thomasvs> if you give me access to your machine, however, I can check
[18:51] <BBB> I'm behind a gateway (local network), so I'm affraid that's not possible... :/
[18:51] <BBB> where can I find your srpms?
[18:52] <BBB> I can send you my catalog file and install your srpm, then we have the same setup
[18:52] <thomasvs> which srpm ?
[18:52] <BBB> openjade
[18:52] <thomasvs> there are two issues
[18:52] <thomasvs> the openjade rpm fixes some messup in fedora core 1's resolver through proxies
[18:52] <thomasvs> the other issue is "the catalog doesn't have the files that the docbook xml file needs"
[18:52] <thomasvs> which is due to a catalog problem
[18:53] <thomasvs> but I don't know how catalogs work :)
[18:53] <BBB> neither do I ;)
[18:53] <BBB> I tried setting up some stuff to make it work locally, but didn't get far :(
[18:53] <thomasvs> well
[18:53] <thomasvs> I think you can make it work locally by not specifying an online URL for the system id, but a local one
[18:54] <BBB> where's the systemID
[18:54] <BBB> >
[18:54] <BBB> ?
[18:55] <thomasvs> second line inside the main xml file
[18:56] Action: BBB tries that
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[18:56] <BBB> brb
[18:56] <BBB> :)
[19:00] <BBB> seems to work :)
[19:00] <BBB> so do you know how to 'emulate' this in the catalog file so I don't need to have a changed pwg.xml (w.r.t. the CVS one)?
[19:01] <thomasvs> no, that's the problem
[19:01] <BBB> hm...
[19:01] <thomasvs> I hope to spend some time on it when i upgrade to fc2 test 1
[19:01] <BBB> ok, well I'll leave it at this then
[19:01] <thomasvs> because I'm assuming I'llh ave the same problem
[19:01] Action: BBB cannot compile totem
[19:01] <BBB> and gst-player still doesn't display video
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[19:02] <BBB> am I the only one having this issue?
[19:02] <taaz> thomasvs: are there some inconsistancies in the doc changes?  like "this is 0.7.5" then "changes since 0.7.5"  "bugs fixed since 0.7.5"?  either should be since 0.7.4 or in 0.7.5
[19:02] <thomasvs> did I screw up again ? where ?
[19:04] <taaz> plugins/NEWS
[19:04] <thomasvs> great
[19:04] <thomasvs> too late :)
[19:04] <taaz> gstreamer/NEWS too
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[19:05] <thomasvs> taaz: thanks for ruining my day :)
[19:05] <taaz> heh ;)
[19:05] <taaz> i'm sure people can figure it out
[19:08] <taaz> i suppose we still don't have an official gstreamer pgp key?
[19:08] <thomasvs> no, we don't
[19:08] <thomasvs> maybe we should do that soon
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[19:09] Topic changed on #gstreamer by [email protected]: GStreamer "In A Bar" 0.7.5 and GStreamer Plugins "Under The Sea" 0.7.5 are out - see http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[19:10] <thomasvs> guess I need to do a gst-ffmpeg release too now
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[19:11] <taaz> .asc files would fit in the src dir nicely next to the .md5s
[19:11] <thomasvs> yeah, they would
[19:11] <jdahlin> congrats thomasvs
[19:11] <thomasvs> man
[19:11] <jdahlin> :-)
[19:11] <thomasvs> each time I think "releasing will be easy this time"
[19:11] Action: taaz thinks .sig is better naming than .asc...
[19:12] <thomasvs> each time it just takes shitloads of time
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[19:31] <KoRnouille> hi
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[19:31] <KoRnouille> in python, how to I set a window that's the size of the screen_width + screen_height ?
[19:32] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: pygtk?
[19:32] <KoRnouille> I have something like this
[19:32] <KoRnouille> self.window.set_usize(gtk.screen_width(), gtk.screen_height())
[19:32] <KoRnouille> yeah, pygtk
[19:33] <jdahlin> use set_size_request
[19:33] <jdahlin> there is a #pygtk channel FYI
[19:33] <KoRnouille> aaah ok, thanks
[19:34] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: I get an error compiling gstreamer-0.7.5
[19:34] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: the channel is pretty empty FYI
[19:34] <KoRnouille> :)
[19:34] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: tell met it's not true
[19:34] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: what error ?
[19:34] <mxpxpod> ../../gst/.libs/libgstreamer-0.7.so: undefined reference to `g_value_take_boxed'collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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[19:35] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: you need glib 2.3.0
[19:36] <mxpxpod> then you need to update the configure.in
[19:36] <mxpxpod> GLIB2_REQ="2.2"
[19:36] <mxpxpod> AC_SUBST(GLIB2_REQ)
[19:36] <thomasvs> yep, just did
[19:36] <mxpxpod> ok
[19:37] <mxpxpod> so it's fixed in the tarball?
[19:37] <thomasvs> nope
[19:37] <thomasvs> the tarball is already out
[19:37] <mxpxpod> suck
[19:38] <thomasvs> we can do a new release soon enough if need be
[19:38] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: because I'm sure you're going to get that question a lot
[19:40] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: yeah
[19:40] Topic changed on #gstreamer by [email protected]: GStreamer "In A Bar" 0.7.5 and GStreamer Plugins "Under The Sea" 0.7.5 are out - see http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ - you need glib 2.3 for GStreamer 0.7.5
[19:40] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: not trying to be an ass
[19:41] <bitshifter> thomasvs: just out of curiosity: what are the chances that you bump up the requirements to glib-2.4 once it's out?
[19:41] <thomasvs> bitshifter: not sure - but given we need 2.3 anyway now, pretty good
[19:41] <thomasvs> esp. since we want to use the gatomic stuff
[19:42] <bitshifter> great
[19:43] <ds-work> we use glib-2.3?
[19:43] <thomasvs> somebody added g_value_takes_boxed
[19:44] <ds-work> that's a stupid reason to require glib-2.3
[19:45] <thomasvs> I know
[19:46] <thomasvs> I just found out myself because mxpxpod reported it
[19:46] <thomasvs> if we want to revert, we can do so for the next release
[19:46] <thomasvs> decide that one for me, I'm going home :)
[19:46] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: later
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[19:55] <taaz> KoRnouille: #pygtk is on irc.gnome.org if you hadn't figured that out yet ;)
[19:56] <jdahlin> taaz: it's here too
[19:56] <taaz> it is?
[19:56] <taaz> hmm.
[19:56] <KoRnouille> taaz: thanks, I did. jdahlin told me
[19:56] <KoRnouille> hey, I have more a python question, more than a gstreamer question
[19:56] <KoRnouille> about writing phylosophy
[19:57] <KoRnouille> I'm seeing many examples around (and in python it self) using class bla: def blabla(), etc...
[19:57] <KoRnouille> in my video_wall case
[19:58] <KoRnouille> should I create a class window, to create my window, and then a class pipeline, to build my pipeline ?
[19:58] <KoRnouille> or just 1 class containing def window and def pipeline ?
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[20:04] <iamthelukas> i get this errror: DEBUG: gstgconf: error parsing pipeline osssink
[20:04] <iamthelukas> Unrecoverable syntax error while parsing pipeline
[20:04] <iamthelukas> GConf audio sink not found, using osssink
[20:04] <iamthelukas> while trying to play rhythmbox
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[20:48] <apoc> yo
[20:49] <BBB> hi
[20:52] <BBB> nice, SVQ3/SVQ1/divx/everything works
[20:52] <BBB> now what's next?
[20:54] <apoc> BBB : got a new laptop ?
[20:54] <BBB> new screen
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[20:56] <BBB> ... mplayerhq.hu CVS is down...
[20:56] <BBB> *sigh*
[20:58] Action: BBB continues autotoolification of ffmpeg
[20:59] <ds-work> can we take ramon's CVS access away?
[20:59] <BBB> sure, but why?
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[21:00] <ds-work> so he stops doing things that are Just Plain Wrong?
[21:01] <BBB> my current opinion is pretty much that he will make a lot of mistakes and that I'm just hoping that in the end it will be fine... if it's not according to our standards/needs, we will not use his RTP stuff in our CVS... and apart from that, as long as he doesn't touch RTP stuff... well... whatever
[21:01] <BBB> er, !RTP stuff
[21:02] <ds-work> could you try running videotestsrc ! xvimagesink in valgrind?
[21:02] <ds-work> I've noticed that valgrind tends to catch problems that cause gdb to go crazy
[21:02] <BBB> yes
[21:03] <BBB> RUNNING pipeline ...
[21:03] <BBB> Segmentation fault
[21:03] <BBB> hm
[21:03] <BBB> valgrind ~/projects/gstreamer/gstreamer/tools/.libs/lt-gst-launch videotestsrc ! xvimagesink
[21:05] <Company> disInstr: unhandled instruction bytes: 0xF 0xD 0x8A 0xCC
[21:05] <Company> w00t?
[21:05] <BBB> what's that?
[21:05] <ds-work> that's an mmx/sse instruction, iirc
[21:05] <ds-work> what CPU?
[21:05] <Company> athlon
[21:05] <BBB> mine?
[21:06] <BBB> P3
[21:06] <Company> -march=athlon-xp was never a problem though :/
[21:07] <ds-work> what is disInstr from?
[21:08] <Company> that's a valgrind error
[21:08] <Company> (sorry if i didn't make it clear)
[21:17] <ds-work> -march=athlon-xp doesn't change the set of instructions used by the compiler
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[21:31] <Company> -march does change the set of instructions used
[21:32] <ds-work> Company: only -march=i686
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[21:33] <ds-work> all other arch settings are equivalent to i386 or i686
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[21:33] <Company> oh
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[21:35] <Company> it works with valgrind cvs
[21:36] <Company> someone should use helgrind with gst :/
[21:37] <teuf> Company: last time I tried, rhythmbox ate something like 600MB for the initial import of my library using gstreamer for metadata ;)
[21:37] Action: BBB has a make-test sort of thing
[21:37] <BBB> in ffmpeg :)
[21:38] <Company> teuf: that's because schedulers aren't freed on pipeline destruction
[21:38] <BBB> ds-work: if I give you a patch, could you fix some ASM for me in ffmpeg?
[21:38] <apoc> Someone know where i can find some docs about float audio data, samples, ...
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[21:41] <ds-work> BBB: I suppose
[21:41] <ds-work> BBB: is it the part that's currently disabled in gst-ffmpeg?
[21:41] <Company> valgrind has no problems with videotestsrc ! xvimagesink here
[21:41] <Company> apart from memleaks
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[21:46] <Company> do we have a properly set up (autogen, configure and friends) project for plugins in gst-sandbox?
[21:47] <ds-work> for gst-autoplug
[21:48] <Company> yeah, i didn'T want to use a working project
[21:48] <Company> just thought we might have a working dumptser
[21:48] <ds-work> no
[21:48] <ds-work> gst-bitrotten
[21:48] <ds-work> but I didn't care to set that up
[21:48] <Company> i wanted to develop in there ;)
[21:50] <ds-work> so far, we've been creating a new project for each [set of] plugin[s]
[21:50] Action: ds-work comments that gstreamer compiles just fine with glib-2.2.3
[21:50] <BBB> ds-work: no
[21:51] <BBB> ds-work: it's just latest CVS of ffmpeg, I've been developing against it (using quilt, very nice stuff!)
[21:51] <BBB> so I've got some patches here and there
[21:51] <BBB> I want to use those in gst-ffmpeg
[21:51] <ds-work> BBB: can we use quilt in conjunction with CVS?
[21:51] <BBB> and I want to do more work on gst-ffmpeg for new plugins, supporting existing codecs better, etc.
[21:51] <BBB> yes
[21:51] <BBB> quilt is a patchset manager
[21:51] <BBB> so it can be used for CVS, but you can also provide ptches to people who use tarballs (no CVS)
[21:52] <BBB> and you can maintain multiple patchsets per module
[21:52] <BBB> which is really cool
[21:52] <BBB> I currently have two
[21:52] <BBB> (one for matroska support in ffmpeg, one for autotoolification of ffmpeg)
[21:54] <BBB> anyway, the MMX issue (code doesn't compile using PIC) makes make distcheck fail
[21:54] <BBB> and I want to fix make distcheck
[21:54] <BBB> so I have something to send to the list and (assuming they reject it) to put in gst-ffmpeg
[21:54] <BBB> :)
[21:55] <ds-work> ok, check it in, and I'll look at it
[21:55] <ds-work> probably later tonight
[21:55] <BBB> no, I'll send it to you, you should first fix "vanilla" ffmpeg CVS compilation
[21:55] <BBB> if that works, I'll start messing around in gst-ffmpeg
[21:55] <BBB> (I hate gst-ffmpeg, but ohwell...)
[21:56] <ds-work> ok
[21:56] <BBB> so if you have a patch, just send it to me and I'll continue my work on it :)
[21:56] <BBB> if you want
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[21:57] <ramon> Hi.
[21:58] <ramon> I have just read the email of thomasvs saying not to use private branches for the development of UDPsrc.
[21:58] <ramon> Of course, I have no problem respecting an agreed on policy.
[21:58] <ramon> But I would like to listen other opinions.
[21:59] <BBB> ds-work: DCC doesn't work?
[21:59] <BBB> email then?
[21:59] <BBB> ramon: hm... isn't bugzilla or regularly posting patches to gst-devel a solution then?
[21:59] <BBB> that's how most of us do it
[21:59] <ds-work> BBB: yeah, email
[21:59] <BBB> [email protected]?
[22:00] <ds-work> BBB: yes
[22:00] <ds-work> ramon: please add a project to gst-sandbox if it's experimental code
[22:02] <ramon> What is exactly gst-sandbox? A CVS directory?
[22:02] <ds-work> yes
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[22:02] <ramon> Thanks.
[22:03] <BBB> it's a module for these sort of experimental stuff :)
[22:04] <BBB> I've got some applications in there, and developed the gnome volume control application in there, too, before it got into gnome-media
[22:04] <BBB> ds-work: sent
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[22:06] <ramon> Thansk. I will see what I can do tonight.
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[22:07] <ds-work> BBB: how do I use quilt?  (In 3 lines or less :))
[22:07] <BBB> apt-get install quilt, quilt import /path/to/patch, quilt push -a -f
[22:07] <BBB> I think
[22:07] <BBB> or well, first do checkout ffmpeg
[22:08] <BBB> thomas has a PDF explaining it
[22:08] <BBB> and RPMs
[22:08] <BBB> and you can also just patch -p1 < /path/to/patch if you want, that works just as well
[22:08] <BBB> quilt is nothing more than a script collection around patch/diff/bla :)
[22:09] <BBB> (that was more than three lines! :o)
[22:13] <ds-work> thanks
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[22:19] <ds-work> i386/cputest.c:5:21: dsputil.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[22:23] <ds-work> hrm, nm
[22:24] <ds-work> BBB: I need some m4 files please
[22:25] <BBB> oh... hm... another issue
[22:25] <BBB> which ones?
[22:25] <BBB> I think I use SDL and one other, right?
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[22:26] <ds-work> AC_FF_ALLOW_DISABLE
[22:26] <BBB> ft2, imlib
[22:26] <ds-work> AC_FF_ALLOW_OPT 
[22:26] <BBB> that's in configure.ac
[22:26] <ds-work> ok
[22:26] <BBB> grep AC_DEFUN configure.ac :)
[22:26] <ds-work> I'm getting strange errors then
[22:27] <BBB> like?
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[22:27] <BBB> oh, btw, I really don't want to use glib-2.3/gtk-2.3 :(
[22:27] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|sleep
[22:27] Action: BBB is very unhappy about installing unstable dependencies
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[22:28] <ds-work> http://www.schleef.org/~ds/ffmpeg.log
[22:28] <Zeenix> hello
[22:31] <BBB> hm
[22:31] <BBB> which autotool versions? :)
[22:31] <ds-work> 2.59
[22:31] <ds-work> 1.7.9
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[22:32] Action: BBB has 2.57 and 1.7.8...
[22:32] <BBB> do you have sdl.m4?
[22:32] <BBB> maybe the other errors are caused by sdl missing
[22:33] <BBB> you can copy it from gst-plugins/m4/gst-sdl.m4 if you need it
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[22:37] <ds-work> heh
[22:37] <apoc> Company: around ?
[22:37] <ds-work> it was all because sdl.m4 was missing
[22:38] <ds-work> config.status: error: cannot find input file: libavcodec/mlib/Makefile.in
[22:38] <BBB> hm...?
[22:39] Action: BBB must have forgotten something there
[22:40] <BBB> see your mail
[22:40] <BBB> :)
[22:40] <BBB> I've added it to the patch locally and sent you the Makefile.am itself
[22:41] <ds-work> and tests/Makefile.am?
[22:42] <BBB> grr
[22:42] <BBB> coming up
[22:43] <BBB> File tests/Makefile.am is already in patch autotools
[22:43] <BBB> ?
[22:43] <ds-work> odd
[22:43] <BBB> well, I've emailed it anyway
[22:44] <BBB> Index: ffmpeg/output_example.c
[22:44] <BBB> Index: ffmpeg/tests/dsptest.c
[22:44] <BBB> Index: ffmpeg/tests/Makefile.am
[22:44] <BBB> aha
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[22:46] <ds-work> we have a patch in gst-ffmpeg to disable the code that causes register allocation problems
[22:46] <Uraeus> hello chiefs
[22:46] <BBB> yes, but I don't want it disabled
[22:46] <BBB> I want it to work ;)
[22:47] <BBB> if we disable random stuff, they'll definately never accept the patch
[22:47] <ds-work> I'll fix it, but that's the quickest way to continue on
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[22:49] <BBB> hm
[22:49] <BBB> k
[22:50] <Company> apoc: pong
[22:51] <BBB> mpegvideo_mmx_template.c do I need that patch too?
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[22:53] <BBB> hm, somehow I cannot seem to get that tests/Makefile.am imported in my patch
[22:53] <BBB> why not?
[22:53] <BBB> mpegvideo_mmx_template.c: In function `dct_quantize_SSE2':
[22:53] <BBB> mpegvideo_mmx_template.c:92: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm'
[22:53] <BBB> :)
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[22:55] <BBB> I'm using the exact same patch as the one in gst-ffmpeg CVS
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[22:56] <Company> booo
[22:57] <Company> typedef (*my_func) (my_func *function);
[22:57] <Company> that's not allowed :(
[22:58] <BBB> sure is
[22:58] <BBB> we use that everywhere in GStreamer
[22:58] <BBB> but you need to specify a return value
[22:58] <BBB> a
[22:58] <BBB> return type
[22:58] <Company> even then it's not allowed
[22:59] <Company> you can't give your function a pointer to a function of same type
[22:59] <BBB> typedef GstCaps*                (*GstPadGetCapsFunction)        (GstPad *pad);
[22:59] <Company> yeah
[22:59] <Company> but not this:
[22:59] <Company> typedef GstCaps*                (*GstPadGetCapsFunction)        (GstPadGetCapsFunction *func);
[22:59] <BBB> aha! I get it
[23:00] <BBB> you need a dummy declaration first
[23:00] <BBB> as we do for structs
[23:00] <BBB> but I don't know how to do that ;)
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[23:14] <BBB> =============================================
[23:14] <BBB> ffmpeg-0.4.8.tar.gz is ready for distribution
[23:14] <BBB> =============================================
[23:14] <BBB> *proud*
[23:15] <BBB> so can I put this in gst-ffmpeg and play around with random features and break random stuff?
[23:16] <Uraeus> argh I built cvs gstreamer yesterday and was going to build plugins today...wrong wrong wrong :)
[23:16] <BBB> never do that ;)
[23:16] Action: BBB still uses yesterday's CVS since that works with glib-2.2.x
[23:17] <Uraeus> well glib isn't a problem for me, but plugins now depend on 0.7.5 gstreamer :)
[23:18] <BBB> aha ;)
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[23:20] Action: BBB feels like ffmpeg needs more love but this is enough for now
[23:21] <Uraeus> more ffmpeg love is only ok if it directly contributes to get more video formats playing perfectly in Totem :)
[23:22] <BBB> pff.
[23:22] <sxpert_work> Uraeus: /me has a nice "build gstreamer overnight" script
[23:23] <Uraeus> sxpert_work: that would crash with my nice 'turn of computer at night routine' :)
[23:23] Action: wheels has a nice "build GStreamer in about 30 minutes" computer.  :-)
[23:23] <sxpert_work> Uraeus: ah, I don't have such routine
[23:23] <thaytoo> wheels: 30 minutes? slowpoke ;)
[23:23] Action: sxpert_work has a "gstreamer needs several hours to build" carpc
[23:23] Action: teuf has a nice "use xine instead of gstreamer" habit
[23:24] Action: BBB slaps teuf
[23:24] Action: Uraeus aquires a nice beat up teuf for being a Quisling habit
[23:24] <wheels> thaytoo: Well, that was a random guess, but it's actually not a particularly new machine.  But well, GCC 2.95 helps.  :-)
[23:24] Action: wheels notes that RB is currently doing some evil macro thingers that don't work on 2.95.
[23:24] <teuf> wheels: which kind of evil things ?
[23:24] Action: sxpert_work has a nice "I'm against nuclear power" ecologist glued on a power-generating bike
[23:25] Action: Uraeus notes that gcc 2.95 is evil in itself
[23:25] <wheels> Uraeus: Yes.  But just less evil than everything that came later.  ;-)
[23:25] Action: sxpert_work shows uraeus his nice and shiny gcc 3.4
[23:26] Action: BBB needs gtk-2.3/glib-2.3 for gnome-media, gstreamer *and* totem now
[23:26] <BBB> :'(
[23:26] <wheels> Uraeus: I really don't know for C, but for C++ GCC 3 is really slow and every version seems to get a whole new batch of compilation errors.
[23:26] <Uraeus> BBB: apt-get upgrade as I did to Fedore Test
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[23:28] <Uraeus> wheels: yes, but it actually tries to follow the C++ spec which you can't say for 2.95 :) and slow is the name of the game for C++ isn't it? ;)
[23:28] <Uraeus> hi thomasvs
[23:28] <sxpert_work> Uraeus: it's C++ that's evil
[23:29] <wheels> Uraeus: Well, 2.95 has known limitations but almost everything that it claims to support works.  3.x is just buggy.  As for speed, well, 3.x is roughly twice as slow as 2.95.
[23:29] Action: wheels makes sxpert_work wash his mouth out with soap.
[23:29] <sxpert_work> wheels: C++ is evil
[23:30] <tromey> there's always PCH, supposedly that helps
[23:30] <wheels> tromey: Well, but GCC's implementation is kind of crappy since it only allows one PCH for each compilation unit.
[23:30] <sxpert_work> well, there's ccache... that helps a lot :D
[23:31] <thomasvs> so, no big messups yet with the release ?
[23:31] <Uraeus> hmm, there is a VRML editor using Motif on freshmeat, I guess if you are doing a editor for a dead file format using a dead gui toolkit is the way to go
[23:32] <Uraeus> thomasvs: no, you did well, my blessings go with you
[23:32] <sxpert_work> Uraeus: lol
[23:32] <wheels> sxpert_work: Like I can go along with an argument that C++ is evil is you're assuming that C is evil too, but assuming that C is good and C++ evil is kind of silly.
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[23:32] <sxpert_work> wheels: I have my reasons /D
[23:33] <Uraeus> personally I am conviced that evil things are evil
[23:33] <wheels> Uraeus: the killers are to blame
[23:34] <Uraeus> yeah, they tend to be
[23:34] <BBB> thomasvs: it seems like sound profiles in gnome-media requires gtk-2.3 but the configure.in reqs say 2.2
[23:34] <BBB> thomasvs: can you update that?
[23:34] <thomasvs> BBB: ah, yeah, but not now
[23:34] <wheels> Uraeus: (Don't know if you're familiar with the old Dan Quale quote)
[23:34] <thomasvs> BBB: mail me that
[23:34] <BBB> it's not urgent ;)
[23:34] <BBB> bugzilla good too?
[23:34] <thomasvs> sure
[23:34] <thomasvs> assign to me
[23:34] <Uraeus> wheels: no, I try to keep sane and never quote Dan Quale :)
[23:34] <BBB> will do
[23:35] <wheels> Uraeus: "When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame."
[23:38] <Uraeus> :)
[23:38] <Zeenix> ?
[23:38] <Uraeus> Zeenix: its about having insight into the obvious :)
[23:39] <wheels> Ah, the wisdom of the great Quayle.
[23:40] <Zeenix> are you people discussing that 'exit code' or someone (equating guns with spoons)?
[23:40] <Zeenix> s/or/of
[23:41] Action: bitshifter was going to throw in a Sartre quote for good measure, but now finds it kind of hard to top the Quayle quote
[23:41] <wheels> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/nagorski/quayle.htm
[23:44] <Zeenix> Uraeus: orkit aint good, only boys add me to their friend's list :(
[23:45] <Uraeus> Zeenix: well you can add some girls to your list then :) it doesn't need to be a one way train you know :)
[23:47] Action: Zeenix starts adding girls from Uraeus' list...
[23:47] Action: iain never got invited to orkit...
[23:48] <iain> but, I guess I never really cared that much about it
[23:48] <Zeenix> who is incharge of www these days?
[23:48] <Uraeus> to all the girls I used to know, who now are someone else's wife
[23:48] <iain> and I don't really see the point
[23:48] <Uraeus> iain: um, you added me to your friends list on orkut so I think you are there actually
[23:48] <iain> Uraeus: I did?
[23:48] <iain> Uraeus: I'm not on it
[23:48] <Zeenix> Uraeus: i like the idea of stealing away other's share :)
[23:49] <iain> Uraeus: unless someone has forged me
[23:49] <Uraeus> iain: ah, wrong Ian then :) ok, well that is maybe why nobody invited you, we all thought it was you who added us to the list :)
[23:49] <sxpert_work> wow, I already have one orkut fan :D
[23:50] <iain> Uraeus: I don't really want to be invited anyway, I don't see the point in it
[23:50] <Uraeus> iain: it lets you know when people have a birthday :)
[23:50] <iain> I know when the birthdays that are important to me are
[23:51] <iain> mine is on monday, roger's is in april, alex's in may and my sister's in july
[23:51] <iain> all the others my mother will remind me :)
[23:51] <Uraeus> iain: your mother know when I have my birthday?
[23:52] <iain> yup
[23:52] <iain> she knows everything
[23:52] <ds-work> thomasvs: where exactly do we use g_value_takes_boxed()?
[23:56] <Zeenix> the links to video-wall project page and the video-wall howto are both broken on our website
[23:59] <Zeenix> www seems to be above my head, how do i fix it (if possible)
[00:00] --- Fri Feb 27 2004
[00:00] <Misirlou> mmmm
[00:00] <Misirlou> Has anyone here played with libextractor?
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[00:04] <Uraeus> night
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[00:35] <thomasvs> ds-work: not sure, mxpxpod reported it
[00:36] <ds-work> thomasvs: I grepped the source and found nothing
[00:36] <mxpxpod> ds-work: lemme get the line and file
[00:36] <ds-work> and did a full compile, and found no errors with 2.2.3
[00:37] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: you can'tt give the line and file
[00:37] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: why not?
[00:38] <thomasvs> gcc -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -o .libs/spidertest spidertest-spidertest.o -Wl,--export-dynamic  -pthread ../../gst/.libs/libgstreamer-0.7.so /usr/lib/libxml2.so -lpthread -lz -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 /usr/lib/libpopt.so../../gst/.libs/libgstreamer-0.7.so: undefined reference to `g_value_take_boxed'collect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[4]: *** [spidertest] Error 1make[4]: Leaving dir
[00:38] <thomasvs> ectory `/usr/src/rpm/BUILD/gstreamer-0.7.5/gst/autoplug'
[00:38] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: because it's a link-time error
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[00:38] <mxpxpod> ohhh
[00:38] <thomasvs> ds-work: that's from a friend who makes packages
[00:39] <ds-work> thomasvs: that's someone else's problem, not ours
[00:39] <ds-work> it's a problem in a different package, likely
[00:39] <mxpxpod> hold on, lemme check something
[00:40] <thomasvs> ds-work: according to the changelog for glib, it got added going to 2.3.0 though
[00:41] <ds-work> but we don't use g_value_take_boxed, and don't require any library version that does
[00:43] <mxpxpod> ds-work: this is strange... it's still dying... no clue why, though
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[00:44] <ds-work> mxpxpod: you have a broken library
[00:44] <mxpxpod> I guess so
[00:44] <ds-work> like, say, libxml2
[00:44] <mxpxpod> you sure it's libxml2?
[00:44] <ds-work> or popt
[00:44] <mxpxpod> hrmm..
[00:44] <mxpxpod> I was thinking more like glib
[00:45] <ds-work> those are the only choices in the above line
[00:45] <ds-work> it would odd for glib to require a newer version of itself
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[00:49] <mxpxpod> ds-work: I'm looking into it
[00:51] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: what dist do you run ?
[00:51] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: gentoo :)
[00:52] <Misirlou> SURPRISE
[00:53] <mxpxpod> Misirlou: I've never had this kind of problem before
[00:53] <thomasvs> mxpxpod: well, the friend runs fedora core 2
[00:54] <thomasvs> so it's safe to say it's not an isolated problem
[00:54] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: huh?
[00:56] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: ask your friend if he's using gcc3.3
[00:58] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: ok, it's something to do with the marshal stuff
[01:00] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: aha!!!
[01:00] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: gstmarshal.c and gstmarshal.h are distributed with the tarball
[01:01] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: someone with glib2.3 must have generated those
[01:11] <mxpxpod> thomasvs: after regenerating those two files, everything is ok
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[01:22] <wheels> Oh, and hi.  :-)
[01:24] <walters> hey wheels
[01:24] <walters> wheels: which is that?
[01:24] <wheels> rb-debug.h:34: badly punctuated parameter list in `#define'
[01:25] <walters> hm
[01:26] <wheels> walters: I don't think 2.95 supports the (...) stuff in macros.
[01:26] <walters> ah.
[01:26] <walters> hm.
[01:26] <ds-work> hrm, interesting bug
[01:26] <ds-work> that should probably be fixed in glib
[01:27] <ds-work> gcc-2.95 supports both ISO and GNU style variadic macros
[01:28] Action: wheels certainly isn't a macro wizard.  Too much C++ conditioning.  :-)
[01:28] <ds-work> however, it has a parsing bug^Wfeature where you have to surround commas with spaces before ##
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[01:30] Action: walters is trying to figure out if __GNUC__ is actually >= 3 with gcc 3.x
[01:30] <ds-work> should be
[01:30] <walters> iirc cpp -dM /dev/null gave you a good dump of standard defines, but GNUC isn't among them
[01:31] <walters> ds-work: how would it be fixed in glib?
[01:32] <ds-work> walters: fix glib-genmarshal to not output glib-2.4-dependent code
[01:32] <ds-work> or even glib-2.2-dependent code, imo
[01:32] <walters> oh, you were talking about a different bug
[01:34] <bitshifter> walters: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.3.3/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common%20Predefined%20Macros
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[01:35] <walters> bitshifter: thanks
[01:35] <walters> there should be a way to get this out of gcc directly
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[01:38] <walters> wheels: * committed [email protected]/rhythmbox--mainline--0.7--patch-219
[01:38] <walters> ah
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[02:26] <crazney> hi there, is there a basic memory source?.. in the docu and examples all i can see is a disk source..
[02:27] <crazney> also, anyone care to write this? http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/data/doc/gstreamer/head/pwg/html/chapter-other-source.html ;p - or at least point me in the right direction?
[02:31] <BBB> "memory source"?
[02:31] <BBB> like fakesrc?
[02:31] <BBB> I mean, you need to provide data from someplace
[02:31] <BBB> what exactly do you want?
[02:31] <BBB> and I wrote part of that, but it's not online yet
[02:31] <crazney> well i have a big lump of memory.. that contains an audio file i want to play
[02:31] <BBB> because it's unfinished
[02:31] <taaz> i think it's a good idea too
[02:31] <BBB> fakesrc can do that, right?
[02:32] <taaz> makes it easier to integrate gst with other code
[02:32] <BBB> fakesrc ;)
[02:32] <crazney> is there any docu of the builtin sources?.. like i've never heard of fakesrc before :)
[02:32] <BBB> fakesrc, fakesink and identity are your friends
[02:32] <BBB> each of the three has a handoff signal to which you connect
[02:32] <BBB> using g_signal_connect
[02:33] <BBB> then, simply modify the memory in that function that handles the signal
[02:33] <crazney> uhm..
[02:33] <crazney> you've confused me :)
[02:33] <taaz> plus you really need support to set caps of that data
[02:35] <BBB> sure, it could be improved
[02:35] <BBB> I'd say: suggest it! :)
[02:35] <taaz> and fakesrc/sink is a poor name for this functionality ;)
[02:35] <BBB> crazney: I'll write you something in the PWG... for now, write an email to the list, I'll reply tomorrow, ok?
[02:35] <BBB> taaz: true again... same thing: suggest something better ;)
[02:36] <taaz> rawsrc/sink?
[02:36] <BBB> na
[02:36] <BBB> it's not 'raw'
[02:36] <taaz> nakedsrc?
[02:36] <BBB> 'fake' at least specifies that it's not normalyl useful ;)
[02:36] <BBB> naked? :p what's that supposed to mean? ;)
[02:36] <taaz> i dunno ;)
[02:37] <taaz> extsrc? ie, external
[02:37] <BBB> I was just gonna suggest that ;)
[02:37] <taaz> i dunno.  if i were cool i'd whip up an example python plugin to do it ;)
[02:37] <BBB> I think you'll have to wait until 0.10 since we're way past our freezes for 0.8.0... but I like the idea
[02:37] <BBB> lazy ass
[02:38] <BBB> write the PWG part on python please ;)
[02:38] <ds-work> we can always add elements
[02:38] <BBB> *nod*
[02:38] <taaz> it's not just me being lazy.  the code to do that is broken right now
[02:39] <taaz> jdahlin was working on that.  the boxed gstdata patch is part of that
[02:39] <BBB> hmk
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[02:40] <taaz> silly stuff like the not-OO-but-treated-like-OO-using-casts-and-other-evil-Cness data/buffer/event code
[02:41] <taaz> i wonder how hard it would be to actually try coverting those to GObjects to test performance
[02:42] <ds-work> it wouldn't be that hard
[02:42] <ds-work> the problem is that GObject doesn't have atomic reference counting
[02:42] <taaz> doh...
[02:43] <BBB> please... gobjects are really rather slow
[02:43] <BBB> boxed types are good
[02:43] <taaz> BBB: do you have a test i can run to prove it?  i'm curious of the actual performance difference
[02:44] <taaz> i just think the d/b/e code is a poor design.  and i'm not sure how to explain why ;)
[02:45] <ds-work> we could make them like GObjects, but with a separate implementation that is optimized for GstBuffers
[02:45] <ds-work> and thread-safe
[02:47] <BBB> taaz: no... I'm just reproducing what omega said when he designed that
[02:47] <BBB> I'm sure he *did* test it
[02:48] <taaz> yeah, but that was a -long- time ago and gst has accumulated features that probably have slowed it down
[02:48] <ds-work> keep in mind that wtay and omega never had a really working implementation to decide which features were important to optimize
[02:48] <ds-work> fakesrc ! fakesink is not an interesting test case for optimization
[02:49] <taaz> and fakesrc/sink have code paths that are not optimized themselves
[02:49] <taaz> too many features
[02:49] <taaz> which is fine, just not for testing other parts of the code
[02:50] <BBB> crap... anyone have a public SMTP for me
[02:50] <BBB> ?
[02:50] Action: BBB cannto send emails
[02:50] <ds-work> mail.nyc.rr.com?
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