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[03:21] Action: BBB kicks gst-ffmpeg
[03:22] <BBB> I suppose providing a tarball is easier
[03:22] <BBB> grmbl
[03:25] Action: bitshifter is bored and greps #gstreamer logs for 'BBB kicks' for amusement
[03:29] <ds-work> the target is usually Company, ds-work, or occasionally some part of gstreamer
[03:30] <ds-work> and sometimes libtool
[03:30] <BBB> :D
[03:30] <BBB> well, it still doesn't work
[03:30] <BBB> becuase I don't understand it
[03:31] <BBB> sometimes the target is thomasvs, btw
[03:31] Action: BBB installs glib-2.3/gtk-2.3 so he can compile totem
[03:33] <bitshifter> BBB: you might just as well wait another half an hour, I think gtk+-2.3.5 is going to be released any minute now
[03:34] <BBB> hm
[03:34] <BBB> guess what I just dl'ed
[03:34] <BBB> ;)
[03:34] <BBB> anyway, I'll redownload tomorrow
[03:34] <BBB> I simply need totem right now
[03:34] <taaz> pr0n can't wait!
[03:34] <BBB> *g*
[03:35] <BBB> actually, I wanted to test warcraft 3 movies (using ffmpeg) with my new ffmpeg changes
[03:35] <BBB> but I guess pr0n would work too
[03:35] <taaz> i view mine with player.py over ssh with aalib.  yo.
[03:36] Action: taaz is serious, that's how he was testing it last week ;)
[03:40] <ds-work> must
[03:40] <ds-work> resist
[03:40] <ds-work> temptation
[03:40] <ds-work> to use glib
[03:40] <ds-work> (in liboil)
[03:40] <taaz> why?
[03:40] <ds-work> liboil is supposed to be lower level
[03:41] <ds-work> with no dependencies
[03:41] <taaz> use STL instead ;)
[03:41] <ds-work> har
[03:44] <mxpxpod> STL... mmmmmmm...
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[03:50] Action: BBB makes RPMs of glib-2.3.5
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[03:54] Action: BBB sees build fail
[03:54] <BBB> :/
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[04:39] Action: BBB has glib-2.3.5 and pango-1.3.5, installing gtk-2.3.4 right now
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[05:00] <BBB> hi colin
[05:00] <BBB> colin: in what part of the US do you live?
[05:01] <walters> BBB: columbus, ohio
[05:01] <walters> BBB: hi :)
[05:01] <BBB> that's east, right?
[05:01] <walters> yeah
[05:01] <walters> although only for 2 more weeks
[05:01] <walters> then i move to boston
[05:01] <BBB> similar time zone as me :)
[05:01] <BBB> boston? as in ximian?
[05:01] <walters> ah, as in RH
[05:02] <BBB> oops ;)
[05:02] <BBB> well, all-the-same :p
[05:02] <walters> heh
[05:02] <BBB> I'm probably visiting boston for a weekend one of the next few weeks to have a look at the ximian office with trow
[05:02] <BBB> maybe I want to visit the redhat office too :p
[05:02] <walters> cool
[05:02] <walters> yeah, you should :)
[05:02] <BBB> is it interesting? ;)
[05:02] <BBB> will you show me around? :)
[05:02] <walters> the rh office is actually fairly far outside boston proper
[05:03] <walters> sure, although i will have just arrived myself, so :)
[05:05] <BBB> well, that doesn't matter :)
[05:05] <BBB> you'll be more familiar than me ;)
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[05:20] <BBB> apoc!
[05:20] <BBB> go sleep dude ;)
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[05:21] <ramon> Hi.
[05:22] <BBB> hey ramon
[05:22] <BBB> Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/gtk2-2.3.4-1.i386.rpm
[05:22] <BBB> whee!
[05:22] <ramon> Finally I think that ds and others are right and the right thing to do is to integrate UDP and RTP in the same element.
[05:23] <ramon> Work in progress (it does not even compile) in gst-sandbox/rtpdec.
[05:23] <BBB> make sure it compiles some day, so we can look at it and do a basic code audit
[05:23] <ramon> It is somewhat ugly to have to parameters for specifying the remote site: one for the unicast case and other for the multicast case.
[05:24] <ramon> Not having to thing an UDP element in "general" makes everying much simpler.
[05:24] <BBB> hm... so how about those of us that use UDP without RTP?
[05:24] <ramon> We will have to work out some solution.
[05:25] <BBB> shouldn't you make RTP a subclass of UDP, which means that UDP is integrated in RTP, but UDP can still be used outside RTP?
[05:25] <ramon> It would help a practical scenario of RTP without UDP.
[05:26] <BBB> no
[05:26] <BBB> UDP without RTP
[05:26] <ramon> The solution that I had in mind is that the format of the address specifies the protocol.
[05:26] <BBB> not the other way around
[05:26] <ramon> Ah.
[05:27] <BBB> UDP without RTP should still be possible
[05:27] <BBB> RTP without UDP is probably not possible, is it?
[05:27] <ramon> RTP is happy with any protocol that provides packet boundaries. TCP as is is not posible, unless one wraps TCP with packet boundaries.
[05:28] <ramon> Yes, the UDPsrc element needs some working.
[05:28] <walters> wheels: here?
[05:29] <ramon> I guess you want UDPsrc to transmit a stream from one machine to another, do you?
[05:29] Action: bitshifter wonders how well computer1: dvdsource ! dvddecode ! udpsink  ---> computer2: udpsrc ! divx-encode ! filesink  would work
[05:31] <ramon> What version of glib are you using?
[05:32] <ramon> bitshifter: that would be several streams!
[05:32] <BBB> I think he means it as a general method
[05:32] <BBB> not as a specific testcase
[05:32] <bitshifter> yeah, of course. It was more a general schema
[05:33] <BBB> you'd probably want to use tcpsrc/sink in that case
[05:33] <bitshifter> true
[05:33] <BBB> because udpsrc/sink might lose data... they're more for realtime communication
[05:34] Action: BBB tries to find libgnomeui-2.3.3 RPMs
[05:34] <bitshifter> ramon: btw, have you considered using gnet for the networking stuff?
[05:34] <ramon> No.
[05:35] <ramon> I am using plain old sockets.
[05:35] <ramon> I will have a look at it, thanks.
[05:35] <ramon> But I want to SHIP rtpdec as soon as posible.
[05:37] <ramon> So you would like to see UDPsrc/sink, TCPsrc/sink as a general way to deliver a stream from one machine to another?
[05:37] <BBB> yes
[05:37] <BBB> if possible
[05:38] <BBB> that makes testing the transport mechanism, as opposed to the protocol (RTP), easier, too
[05:38] <ramon> We can hope that if two machines are near almost no packet will be lost.
[05:39] <ramon> Allocate a port for every incoming connection in UDPsink
[05:40] <ramon> For machines that are far away, RTSP is ihmo the right solution to this problem. One could reasonably type dvdsource ! dvddecode ! rtspsink .... rtspsrc ! divx-encode  ...
[05:41] <ramon> Basically rtsp adds: 1) Several streams 2) one can send commands PLAY, PAUSE, ... to RTSP.
[05:41] <BBB> I suppose that for machines that are far away, you don't want to do encoding via the network
[05:41] <BBB> ;)
[05:41] <BBB> it's *FAR* too slow
[05:41] <BBB> anyway
[05:41] <BBB> I need to go to bed
[05:41] <BBB> or I'll have problems at work tomorrow
[05:41] <BBB> ;)
[05:42] <ramon> Have a good time in the USA.
[05:42] <BBB> checking for libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0.0 libgnomecanvas-2.0 >= 2.0.0 libbonoboui-2.0 >= 2.0.0 gconf-2.0 >= 1.1.11 pango >= 1.1.2 gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.5.3 gnome-keyring-1... Requested 'gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.5.3' but version of gnome-vfs is 2.2.5
[05:42] <ramon> Look forward to see you.
[05:42] Action: BBB still cannot compile totem CVS HEAD
[05:42] <BBB> yeah, thanks
[05:42] <BBB> I'll check you guys later :)
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[05:43] <ramon> See you.
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[05:58] <tvon> Howdy folks
[05:59] <tvon> Are there any plans on speeding up the time it takes for gst to launch?  or maybe a always-on daemon or something along those lines?
[05:59] <tvon> eg, apps that use gst take a bit longer to start up and as far as I can tell this is because of gst
[05:59] <tvon> (muine is my primary experience, as well as rb)
[06:02] <ds> tvon: are you running installed?
[06:02] <tvon> ds: eh?
[06:02] <tvon> 'running installed'?
[06:02] <ds> installed or uninstalled?
[06:03] <tvon> I'm totally not understanding your question
[06:03] <tvon> I'm speaking about the time it seems to take gstreamer to init itself when an app that uses it (such as muine) starts up...
[06:03] <tvon> or maybe there is somethign I'm just totally missing?
[06:04] <ds> it should be around 0.2 seconds on a typical machine
[06:04] <tvon> 0.2 seconds?  hrm, mayhaps I have something goony going on here...
[06:05] <ds> run 'time gst-launch-0.7 fakesrc ! fakesink -i1'
[06:05] <tvon> hrm
[06:05] <tvon> indeed, it is speedy
[06:05] <tvon> 0.16
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[06:06] <tvon> Problem might be elsewhere...I'm updating my system at the moment, will give it a whirl when thats done
[06:06] <polin8> tvon: I think the issue may be in muine/mono
[06:06] <polin8> I get a much faster startup on rhythmbox than muine
[06:07] <polin8> 2 seconds vs. 8 seconds
[06:07] <tvon> Happens with rhythmbox too
[06:07] <tvon> could be OSS or whatever it is trying to load...though I know nothing of the startup process
[06:07] <ds> tvon: btw, you can run gstreamer and apps without actually installing it, but startup time is several seconds
[06:07] <tvon> I'll have to poke around and educate myself a bit I think
[06:07] <tvon> ahh, thats what you meant by installed...
[06:08] <polin8> one difference here is that rhythmbox is using 0.7 and muine is using 0.6
[06:09] <tvon> We'll see how it goes on fedora...Gentoo is a rough test platform 
[06:09] <tvon> heh
[06:12] <walters> ds: he's most likely running into the osssink negotiation bug
[06:12] <walters> tvon: try running the pipeline in the rb README
[06:13] <tvon> walters: I normally use alsa but that recently 'broke' on my system (something I did, no clue what)..OSS sink has been buggy for awhile...long delays to play tracks..
[06:13] <tvon> which I assume is what you speak of
[06:13] <tvon> I'll check the readme though, I'd love to fix that
[06:13] <walters> yeah
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[09:35] <Company> microsoft can't write standards
[09:35] <Company> both doccs and the actual spec
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[09:42] <aeyakovenko> hello
[09:43] <aeyakovenko> anyone know what causes a this error "GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstprops.c: line 1074 (gst_props_get_entry): assertion `props != NULL' failed"
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[10:24] <dolphy> morning
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[11:20] <thaytan> yo
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[12:26] <thaytan> thomasvs: when you release, do you do a non-branch _and_ a branch tag?
[12:29] <thaytan> I'm trying to cut a new gst-editor release, but I've never done one before 
[12:30] <thomasvs> thaytan: for gst-editor, you don't really need to branch
[12:30] <thomasvs> thaytan: since you can ask people not to commit for a bit
[12:31] <thomasvs> thaytan: so, all you do is at some point you set configure.ac to a zero nano number, make sure it's correct, and then tag it
[12:31] <thomasvs> what release number are you going to use ?
[12:31] <thaytan> 0.7, since that's the minimum gst version now
[12:31] <thomasvs> yeah
[12:31] <thomasvs> well, I'd release it as 0.7.1 (.0)
[12:31] <thomasvs> and then tag it as RELEASE-0_7_1
[12:31] <thomasvs> if you need help, let me know
[12:32] <thomasvs> I'd love an editor release :)
[12:32] <thomasvs> oh, my error patches aren't quite in yet are they ?
[12:32] <thomasvs> you want me to put them in first ?
[12:32] <thaytan> where are they?
[12:32] <thaytan> yeah, I'll mail the list for any other outstanding patches
[12:33] <thomasvs> I have them locally, but was wanting to check with you first
[12:33] <thomasvs> should I commit ?
[12:33] <thaytan> please
[12:33] <thomasvs> ok
[12:33] Action: thomasvs checks
[12:37] Action: thomasvs checks in
[12:37] <thomasvs> thaytan: ok, the problem I had was this
[12:37] <thomasvs> thaytan: I use a run_dialog because you can also click a debug button
[12:37] <thomasvs> while some other dialogs in gst-editor just get shown, not run
[12:37] <thomasvs> thaytan: I wanted to integrate the two, and didn't know which of the two behaviours was preferred
[12:37] <thomasvs> if that gets decided, I can merge some code
[12:38] <thomasvs> what do you prefer ?
[12:40] <thaytan> what do you mean 'integrate the two', so that all dialogs have a run_dialog fn?
[12:42] <thomasvs> well, there were already some form of error dialogs
[12:42] <thomasvs> I wrote an additional one that also takes the debug info
[12:42] <thomasvs> then I wanted to make the older ones use the same dialog, just without debug info
[12:42] <thomasvs> then I noticed the others were just shown, not run
[12:43] <thomasvs> run blocks the app until the dialog is acknowledged
[12:43] <thomasvs> while show just pops it up for you to deal with whenever you want
[12:44] <thaytan> eventually, it would probably be nice to collect errors in a list for inspection
[12:44] <thaytan> but for now, I say go with the modal dialog
[12:45] <thaytan> and make them all the same
[12:47] <KoRnouille> could someone please explain me how I can link xvimagesink to an window ? I've been reading docs around about gtk.Socket, gtk.Plug, the gst python examples and I just can't figure out how this works. I must be missing something
[12:48] <dolphy> KoRnouille: XOverlay interface is your friend
[12:48] <KoRnouille> I created a window : self.window = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
[12:48] <dolphy> hmmm
[12:48] <dolphy> python...
[12:48] <KoRnouille> set decorations to non, resize it to the screen res of the desktop
[12:49] <dolphy> dunno if our XOverlay interface is binded in python
[12:49] <dolphy> jdahlin: ?
[12:49] <KoRnouille> created a socket : self.socket = gtk.Socket()
[12:49] <KoRnouille> self.socket.show()
[12:49] <KoRnouille> self.window.add(self.socket)
[12:49] <KoRnouille> alright until here, yeah ?
[12:50] <jdahlin> dolphy: XOverlay? :)
[12:50] <KoRnouille> but Im just getting confused to get everything rounded up correctly.
[12:52] <KoRnouille> any hints ?
[12:53] <dolphy> http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gst-sandbox/gst-videowall/live_client.c?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[12:54] <KoRnouille> I have this already... but it's not clear really for me I guess.
[12:54] <KoRnouille> I also hopped there was a python API just like there is for C.
[12:55] <KoRnouille> I know it's quite similar, but I don't wanna polluate the irc channel with my newby questions because I don't have the exact syntax
[12:56] <KoRnouille> im just wasting so much time trying to figure out from C what could be the command in python.
[13:07] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: I'm afraid that it's not possible to do everything from python at the moment
[13:07] <KoRnouille> !?
[13:07] <KoRnouille> are you saying that what im trying to write in python is not possible ?
[13:10] <jdahlin> I'm not sure
[13:10] <jdahlin> but it's not as easy as it should be.
[13:10] <KoRnouille> :'(
[13:11] <KoRnouille> this is going ruine my day.
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[13:11] <jdahlin> good news is that we're trying to fix it :)
[13:12] <ensonic> hi hi
[13:13] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: maybe I asked you before, but are you the python maintener ?
[13:14] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: not officially
[13:14] <KoRnouille> official or unofficial, if you're putting your time into it, it's good enough for me. :)
[13:15] <KoRnouille> I wish I could help
[13:15] Action: KoRnouille wants to be a super hero
[13:15] <jdahlin> It's not completely easy, AFAICT
[13:15] <KoRnouille> :)
[13:16] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: I'm working on the packaging atm btw, if that makes your day a little better
[13:17] <KoRnouille> the dvdplay.py example doesn't work ? Is that why there is not X stuff inside it ? (X stuff is in C)
[13:18] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: the packaging ? rpm ?
[13:19] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: yeah
[13:19] <KoRnouille> thanks thomasvs.
[13:24] <bilboed> is gst-ffmpeg broken ? ./configure doesn't seem to be getting the ffmpeg cvs :(
[13:24] <thomasvs> bilboed: apparently their cvs is very wonky
[13:24] <thomasvs> bilboed: I'm planning on storing it locally too
[13:25] <bilboed> :(
[13:39] <bilboed> thaytan: I spotted a bug with ghost-pads in gst-editor, I'm checking to see if it's still there, if so I'll mail a patch/bug description
[13:44] <thaytan> ta
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[13:53] <bilboed> thaytan: create a ghost pad to parent bin, try to remove it (right-click on ghost pad), it segfaults with the following error : (lt-gst-editor:27891): GStreamer-WARNING **: gst_element_remove_ghost_pad is deprecated. Use gst_element_remove_pad instead.
[13:53] <bilboed> pad_removed in element pipeline0
[13:53] <bilboed> Segmentation fault
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[14:19] <thaytan> bilboed: ok
[14:20] <thaytan> where's the segfault, actually?
[14:21] <thaytan> I should be able to find it easily enough
[14:21] <thaytan> as soon as jhbuild gives me back a running libgnomeui :)
[14:25] <bilboed> thaytan: after the printout of "pad_removed in element pipeline0"
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[14:28] <bilboed> thaytan : 0x40023042 in gst_editor_element_remove_pad (element=0x8259220, pad=0x82838c8) at gsteditorelement.c:860
[14:28] <bilboed> 860       if (GST_PAD_DIRECTION (pad) == GST_PAD_SINK) {
[14:58] <bilboed> thaytan: was it helpful, or do you want the whole trace ?
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[14:59] <diana> hello
[15:00] <diana> i have a question
[15:00] <diana> there is any plugin for mozilla, or galeon, or netscape for linux that include swfdec?
[15:28] <KoRnouille> the python docs wont build. it there a url somewhere to look at the xml stuff ?
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[15:29] <thomasvs> diana: there will be soon, yeah.  ds is finishing his general gstreamer mozilla plugin
[15:30] <diana> cool
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[15:39] <bilboed> anybody know of a problem with the video4linux2 plugins in cvs ?
[15:39] <KoRnouille> any idea when the 1st stable release of gst-python would come out ?
[15:40] Action: KoRnouille is a gst-python supporter ! :)
[15:41] <bilboed> In file included from v4l2_calls.c:37:
[15:41] <bilboed> gstv4l2src.h:55: error: field `buffer' has incomplete type
[15:41] <bilboed> make[3]: *** [libgstvideo4linux2_la-v4l2_calls.lo] Erreur 1
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[16:41] <apoc> thomasvs: around ?
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[17:00] <taaz> KoRnouille: does the unstable version work perfectly for you?  if so then we can release.  if not, why haven't you filed bugs yet? ;)
[17:01] <taaz> speaking of that... can someone add a gst-python bugzilla component someday?
[17:01] <KoRnouille> well, it seems to work well for what I need to do. (and my mediocre programming experiment)
[17:02] <KoRnouille> my live_client.py it just a few steps away from working I guess...
[17:02] <KoRnouille> I just need to know how to link xvimagesink to window to display it's content
[17:04] <thomasvs> apoc: yeah
[17:04] <apoc> thomasvs: have you take a look to replaygain.org ?
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[17:06] <apoc> thomasvs: oh it's still doesn't respond :(
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[17:17] <apoc> yo BBB
[17:17] <BBB> hi
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[17:18] <dolphy> BBB: hi
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[17:36] <BBB> hi dolphy
[17:36] Action: BBB will try compiling totem again tonight
[17:36] <BBB> I've got gtk-2.3, glib-2.3, pango-1.2... but I don't have gnomevfs, libgnomeui and everything that it depends on yet
[17:36] Action: BBB thinks it sucks that totem requires unstable of everything
[17:37] <BBB> dolphy: I'm hoping that I can get some exotic file formats working using ffmpeg... if that works, we'll have a nice 0.8.0 with totem... not in gnome, but a good addition ;)
[17:37] <thomasvs> BBB: it doesn't suck, it targets the platform :)
[17:38] <thomasvs> BBB: install jhbuild
[17:38] <BBB> no thanks, I'm running a user desktop... I use it for school/work ;)
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[17:39] <BBB> thomasvs: did you fix gst-ffmpeg yet? :)
[17:39] <BBB> [/evil]
[17:40] <iain> BBB: I still can't get ffmpeg to check out properly. When is it checked out? When I check out gst-ffmpeg or during the autogen/configure phase?
[17:45] <apoc> I get this : configure: WARNING: no configuration information is in gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffmpeg
[17:46] <iain> yeah
[17:46] <BBB> configure
[17:46] <BBB> yes, patching is broken
[17:46] <BBB> we're working on fixing that
[17:46] <iain> thats what I get too
[17:46] <BBB> see email
[17:46] <BBB> you need to patch gst-ffmpeg/gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffmpeg/ manually and run autogen.sh there before running configure in gst-ffmpeg
[17:47] <iain> configure: FFmpeg CVS code should be included already
[17:47] <iain> but there's nothing in ffmpeg dir yet
[17:47] <thomasvs> BBB: not until there is some consensus on the list no
[17:48] Action: iain wanders back to job searching
[17:48] <iain> why does every computer programming job require visual basic
[17:48] <iain> dammit!
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[17:49] <thomasvs> iain: I thought you didn't want to do computer programming as a job anymore ?
[17:49] <iain> thomasvs: I don't, but I don't have any other skills
[17:49] <iain> thomasvs: and what I think I want to do requires money
[17:50] <iain> thomasvs: so I figure I'll do a job that I don't want to do, so that I can move on in my life
[17:50] <BBB> what do you want to do?
[17:50] <BBB> study?
[17:50] <BBB> apply for a job at sun! :D
[17:50] <iain> thomasvs: rather than finish 3 years at uni, end up having nothing but another degree, and no money and so no way to get the thing I want to do
[17:50] <iain> BBB: I think I want to open a CDshop/record shop/bookshop/cafe type place
[17:51] <BBB> hm, interesting
[17:51] <iain> BBB: sun are in dublin, I want to stay in belfast
[17:51] <BBB> like starbucks in the US?
[17:51] <iain> more on the alternative type of music/literature
[17:51] <thomasvs> ugh, starbucks
[17:51] <iain> and less corporate friendly :)
[17:51] <BBB> :D
[17:52] <BBB> I didn't say I *liked* it
[17:52] <BBB> their coffee is worse than water
[17:52] <iain> do starbucks do cds/records/books?
[17:52] <BBB> they have books and magazines
[17:52] <BBB> no cds
[17:52] <iain> coffee is worse than water :)
[17:52] <BBB> and they have APs so you can bring a laptop and do wireless internet
[17:52] <Misirlou> iain: so true
[17:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[17:52] <BBB> is not
[17:53] <iain> thomasvs: so yeah, you could say I'm selling out...
[17:53] <thomasvs> iain: oh, I'm not accusing
[17:53] <BBB> so anyway... thomasvs, I don't care about convention... just assume that gst-ffmpeg is all my fault so just fix it and blame me, I'm fine with it
[17:53] <BBB> as long as it works ASAP
[17:53] <thomasvs> iain: I'm just genuinely wondering why all of a sudden you consider programming again
[17:53] <BBB> and using quilt is really the way to go
[17:54] <iain> thomasvs: I'd prefer it not to be programming maybe
[17:54] <iain> thomasvs: the job I've applied for is a uni sysadmin 
[17:54] <iain> thomasvs: but I'm looking around for other things too
[17:54] <thomasvs> BBB: yeah, but I'm waiting for benjamin to agree, there's no point in forcing a solution if people don't somehow more or less agree
[17:54] <thomasvs> iain: so, you'd consider support for example ?
[17:54] <BBB> thomasvs: can you make the patch process a part of the checkout process?
[17:54] <BBB> or wait
[17:55] <BBB> nevermind
[17:55] <iain> thomasvs: I guess
[17:55] <BBB> just use quilt
[17:55] <BBB> :)
[17:55] <iain> thomasvs: depends what type of support
[17:55] <iain> thomasvs: like I couldn't do a telephone support help desk I don't think
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[18:01] <KoRnouille> hey, I have no problem compiling gst-editor. but when I start it, I get an error
[18:01] <KoRnouille> (gst-editor:16915): libglade-WARNING **: could not find `gnome' init function: `glade_module_register_widgets': /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: glade_module_register_widgets
[18:01] <KoRnouille> (gst-editor:16915): libglade-WARNING **: Could not load support for `bonobo': libbonobo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:01] <KoRnouille> :/
[18:02] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: do you have libbonoboui rpm installed ?
[18:02] <KoRnouille> let me check
[18:03] <KoRnouille> rpm -qa | grep -i libbonoboui
[18:03] <KoRnouille> libbonoboui-devel-2.2.0-1
[18:03] <KoRnouille> libbonoboui-2.2.0-1
[18:03] <thomasvs> hm :)
[18:04] Action: KoRnouille everybody is probably laughing at me right now.
[18:05] <KoRnouille> locate libbonobo.so
[18:05] <KoRnouille> /usr/lib/libglade/2.0/libbonobo.so
[18:05] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: hm, that's strange
[18:05] <thomasvs> I don't really know what that bug could mean
[18:05] <iain> ahhhh
[18:06] <iain> the ffmpeg code wasn't slurped because the nano was set to 0
[18:06] <KoRnouille> :/ I though iain was going to answer me. lol
[18:07] <iain> KoRnouille: sorry
[18:07] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: I have more error lines, but I though the 2 first lines would be enough (flood)
[18:07] <iain> Must have 5 years +  ANSI C development experience (mainly within the Unix / NT arena).
[18:07] <iain> I have that :D
[18:07] <BBB> do you have libglade/devel?
[18:08] <KoRnouille> but I can paste the rest. 9 lines
[18:08] <KoRnouille> BBB I'll check
[18:08] <iain> well, I have no NT experience :/
[18:08] <BBB> new technologies
[18:08] <BBB> yes you do
[18:08] <BBB> linux
[18:08] <BBB> gnome
[18:08] <BBB> ximian
[18:08] <KoRnouille> rpm -qa | grep -i libglade
[18:08] <KoRnouille> libglade2-2.0.1-3
[18:08] <KoRnouille> libglade2-devel-2.0.1-3
[18:08] <KoRnouille> libglade-0.17-11
[18:08] <BBB> 2.0?
[18:08] <BBB> not 2.2?
[18:08] <KoRnouille> I guess that's what apt-get gives me
[18:09] <KoRnouille> I need 2.2 ?
[18:09] <BBB> I don't know
[18:09] <BBB> anyway
[18:09] <BBB> run make clean
[18:09] <BBB> and re-run make
[18:09] <BBB> just to be sure about the symbols
[18:10] <KoRnouille> make distclean ?
[18:10] <BBB> yes
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[18:11] <KoRnouille> I ran ./autogen.sh again
[18:12] <KoRnouille> I have a few autoheader warnings... but I get all the way through
[18:13] <KoRnouille> make okay
[18:14] <thomasvs> what autoheader warnings do you get?
[18:14] <KoRnouille> stuff like :
[18:14] <KoRnouille> autoheader: WARNING: Using auxiliary files such as `acconfig.h', `config.h.bot'
[18:14] <KoRnouille> autoheader: WARNING: and `config.h.top', to define templates for `config.h.in'
[18:14] <KoRnouille> autoheader: WARNING: is deprecated and discouraged.
[18:15] <KoRnouille> autoheader: WARNING: Using the third argument of `AC_DEFINE' and `AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED' allows to define a template without `acconfig.h':
[18:15] <KoRnouille> AC_DEFINE([NEED_FUNC_MAIN], 1, [Define if a function `main' is needed.])
[18:15] <thomasvs> hm, yeah, I should fix that
[18:15] Action: thomasvs dives in
[18:15] <iain> BBB: Patching ffmpeg if necessary .../bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[18:15] <KoRnouille> autoheader: WARNING: More sophisticated templates can also be produced, see the documentation.
[18:15] <iain> BBB: any ideas?
[18:16] <KoRnouille> but everything seems to compile okay
[18:16] <KoRnouille> make install okay.
[18:16] <KoRnouille> but when I run gst-editor, I get these messages
[18:17] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: I have a messages also when I make
[18:17] <KoRnouille> editor.c: In function `main':
[18:17] <KoRnouille> editor.c:46: warning: statement with no effect
[18:17] <KoRnouille> (3 times on line 46, 47, 48)
[18:18] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: can you try reupdating and rerunning autoregen.sh ?
[18:18] <BBB> iain: see email
[18:19] <KoRnouille> I'm gonna redownload everything
[18:20] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: no more warnings. :)
[18:20] <KoRnouille> (in autoheader)
[18:20] <KoRnouille> wait a minute...
[18:20] <KoRnouille> + running glib-gettextize --copy --force...
[18:20] <KoRnouille> Copying file po/Makefile.in.in
[18:21] <KoRnouille> Please add the files
[18:21] <KoRnouille>   codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 from the /usr/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory or directly to your aclocal.m4 file.
[18:21] <thomasvs> that's fine, ignore that
[18:21] <KoRnouille> You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/.
[18:21] <KoRnouille> ok
[18:21] <KoRnouille> gonna re-make and re-make install
[18:23] <KoRnouille> same problem... gngggnngnn
[18:31] <KoRnouille> darn, tryied to compile it from my xwindow terminal thinking that might be the problem, but no.
[18:32] <thomasvs> it sounds more like it doesn't work on rh9 due to some libs not being new enough
[18:33] <KoRnouille> hummf
[18:33] <BBB> iain: the ffmpeg emails on gst-devel, the one from jan schmidt
[18:33] <KoRnouille> I might upgrade with new rpms then ?
[18:34] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: well ...
[18:34] <KoRnouille> what should I start upgrading ?
[18:34] <thomasvs> ... have you considered upgrading to fedora core 1 ?
[18:34] <KoRnouille> nop thomasvs
[18:34] <KoRnouille> (means a whole new install)
[18:34] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: you run fedora ?
[18:34] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: why do you want the editor ?
[18:34] <thomasvs> KoRnouille: yeah, I do
[18:35] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: I want the play around with the editor. I might understand more stuff
[18:35] <KoRnouille> just watching how things link together, etc... and because it's available. ;)
[18:37] <KoRnouille> thomasvs: fedora (yarrow) it pretty much like the RH install, right ?
[18:37] <iain> BBB: hmmm. okay
[18:38] <BBB> thomasvs: the patch to gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/Makefile.am in gst-ffmpeg from Jan Schmidt, can you please apply that if it hasn't been already?
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[18:46] <ChrisHJW> BBB !
[18:46] <ChrisHJW> the gstreamer port can make MP3 from WAV :) !
[18:46] <ChrisHJW> lol
[18:48] <thomasvs> <noda> thomasvs: btw, gstreamer-properties calls 'v4l-conf' without ever checking (even at build time) that it exists, when I test the video source.
[18:48] <thomasvs> ChrisHJW: rock !
[18:48] <thomasvs> BBB: --> I guess this is the v4l plugin doing that
[18:49] <ChrisHJW> BBB : next is the matroska plugin to port
[18:49] <ChrisHJW> BBB, thomasvs : do you guys have a XviD encoder module ?
[18:50] <thomasvs> ChrisHJW: decoder, yes.  encoder, probably in ffmpeg
[18:50] <ChrisHJW> Hmm ... FFmpeg has its own encoder
[18:50] <ChrisHJW> its not based on XviD AFAIK
[18:50] <ChrisHJW> Windows people like XviD better, although we have a VCM version of FFMPEG also
[18:51] <ChrisHJW> its called FFvfW
[18:52] <ChrisHJW> bilboed : any progress on your editor ?
[18:54] Action: ChrisHJW got warned by Xiph for posting to Ogg advocacy list ....
[18:54] <iain> tut tut
[18:57] <ChrisHJW> iain : how to translate 'tut tut' :) ?
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[18:59] <ChrisHJW> thomasvs : i am still sad that everybody ignored my 'Gstreamer + matroska = media framework' post to your list completely :/
[19:02] <ChrisHJW> thomasvs : some comments on that from your side could have helped to raise the motivation for the porting a lot IMO
[19:02] <thomasvs> ChrisHJW: I know, but we're very busy getting ready for 0.8
[19:03] <thomasvs> I think it's a good idea in some parts
[19:03] <thomasvs> and was waiting for other people to reply
[19:03] <ChrisHJW> :)
[19:03] <thomasvs> we have about a week left for the final release, so ...
[19:03] <ChrisHJW> you cant motivate to send a late reply ? i promise it wouldnt be completely in vain
[19:04] <ChrisHJW> matroska team could be motivated to work stronger on the port
[19:04] <thomasvs> lemme check
[19:05] <iain> ChrisHJW: "bad boy"
[19:05] <iain> ChrisHJW: would be what I was meaning I guess
[19:07] <ChrisHJW> lol
[19:11] <BBB> thomasvs: yes, I know... I'll fix that
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[19:12] <mathrick> re
[19:12] <BBB> please make a bugzilla report and assign to me so I don't forget
[19:12] <BBB> chris: yes, we have an xvid encoder
[19:12] <BBB> we also have a divx5 encoder
[19:12] <BBB> we don't support all properties yet, but basic operations work
[19:12] <BBB> I lack good testing applications to finish integration of all properties
[19:12] <BBB> something like gst-editor, basically, but specifically designed for encoding
[19:13] <BBB> gst-rec should do that
[19:13] <BBB> ;)
[19:13] <BBB> as for the post: I read it, it's queued in my inbox, but I, too, am focussing on 0.8.0
[19:14] <BBB> and totem is driving me crazy... anyway, expect me to spend the full weekend programming for getting stuff ready, if that's any help
[19:14] <BBB> :/
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[19:16] <BBB> don't tell me I typed all that and you didn't read it?
[19:16] <ChriHJW> re
[19:16] <ChriHJW> iain : i was daring to suggest that they rethink their implementation politics
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[19:16] <BBB> do I need to c/p for you chris?
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[19:17] <iain> ChriHJW: in what way?
[19:18] <ChriHJW> BBB : yes
[19:18] <ChriHJW> BBB : i lost it
[19:18] <BBB> (13:11:37) BBB: chris: yes, we have an xvid encoder
[19:18] <BBB> (13:11:41) BBB: we also have a divx5 encoder
[19:18] <BBB> (13:11:50) BBB: we don't support all properties yet, but basic operations work
[19:18] <BBB> (13:12:13) BBB: I lack good testing applications to finish integration of all properties
[19:18] <BBB> (13:12:23) BBB: something like gst-editor, basically, but specifically designed for encoding
[19:18] <BBB> (13:12:31) BBB: gst-rec should do that
[19:18] <BBB> (13:12:32) BBB: 
[19:19] <BBB> (13:13:25) BBB: as for the post: I read it, it's queued in my inbox, but I, too, am focussing on 0.8.0
[19:19] <BBB> (13:14:23) BBB: and totem is driving me crazy... anyway, expect me to spend the full weekend programming for getting stuff ready, if that's any help
[19:19] <BBB> (13:14:23) BBB: :/
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[19:27] <ds-work> moo
[19:27] <BBB> hey dude
[19:32] <ds-work> thomasvs: ?
[19:32] <thomasvs> ds-work: yeah ?
[19:33] <ds-work> thomasvs: what is the canonical location for stuff like as-ac-expand.m4?
[19:33] <ds-work> there's 3 copies of it in autostars
[19:33] <thomasvs> ds-work: mostly, it's the dir with the same name, but without as- and .m4
[19:33] <thomasvs> so, ac-expand
[19:34] <thomasvs> yeah, I use the macro in other dirs to help, but ln and cvs don't mix
[19:34] <thomasvs> maybe I should do an autocopy or something htough
[19:34] <ds-work> or have one m4 directory
[19:35] <thomasvs> hm, maybe, that might work too
[19:35] <ds-work> and -I it from each autogen.sh
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[19:35] <thomasvs> there are other things I could improve on in autostars
[19:35] Action: ds-work has never used an -option as a verb before
[19:35] <thomasvs> like, it would be nice if other projects could easily run a ocmmand that checks for uptodateness of macros
[19:35] Action: thomasvs is going to try and skate home for the first time
[19:36] <thomasvs> wish me luck :)
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[19:36] <BBB> gluck
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[19:47] <nerochiar> i have been told that swfdec developers usually hang around in this channel. anyone of them online now ?
[19:47] <ensonic> ciao
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[19:47] <mathrick> nerochiar: poke ds-work :)
[19:48] <nerochiar> will do, thanks
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[19:49] <ds-work> boing
[19:51] <iain> ching
[19:51] Action: sxpert sees a monster memory leak...
[19:52] <sxpert> over 24 hours, my small 10M process went up to 150M
[19:52] <mathrick> sxpert: bittorrent?
[19:52] <sxpert> mathrick: no, gstreamer...
[19:53] <mathrick> sxpert: ahh, k
[19:53] <sxpert> mathrick: http://sxpert.esitcom.org/sound-server.c
[19:56] <KoRnouille> hey
[19:56] <KoRnouille> udpsrc:src ! {(bin) sink:queue:src ! sink:mpegdemux:src}
[19:56] <KoRnouille> is this right ? I know thomasvs will complain about the queue, but it just works better like that.
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[19:57] <KoRnouille> but here, do I have to set a bin or a thread ?
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[19:57] <KoRnouille> also, after the demuxer, I have audio_00 and video_00
[19:58] <KoRnouille> should I connect these respectivly to a video thread and audio thread ? or just video and audio bins is enough ?
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[20:01] <KoRnouille> also, when I have a pipeline.iterate, as I read, it iterates all bins inside the pipeline. Will it also iterate threads ? Or do I have to do iterate threads asides ?
[20:05] <KoRnouille> in fact, more precisly, my question is : when I set STATE_PLAYING to the pipeline, will it also set this state to the threads inside ?
[20:06] Action: KoRnouille is sorry for his newby questions
[20:09] Action: mathrick doesn't understand why some people apologize so much
[20:14] Action: KoRnouille doesn't understand why poeple take so long to answer. ;)
[20:14] <ds-work> mathrick: it's easier to get what you want that way than by being a dick
[20:16] <mathrick> ds-work: nono, I don't say you should be a dick, but constant apologizing isn't giving you anything either, except lower signal to noise ratio :>
[20:20] <KoRnouille> Im just afraid to be "newby-man flooding the channel". (newby-man -short- is enough)
[20:20] <KoRnouille> never mind. I'll get agressive now.
[20:20] <KoRnouille> ANSWER ME ! ;)
[20:20] <teuf> not agressive enough
[20:21] <KoRnouille> ANSWER ME !
[20:21] <KoRnouille> (without the smiley makes it more agressive)
[20:21] <teuf> "I'm trying the fucking piece of crap you are calling a media framework, and it sucks so much that it's not understandable to the mere mortals"
[20:21] <teuf> then ask your question 
[20:21] <teuf> if you don't get an answer, I don't understand why
[20:21] <KoRnouille> aaah, that's how things work then
[20:22] <KoRnouille> guys !
[20:22] <KoRnouille> I have a drawing for you
[20:22] <KoRnouille> you need a nice res screen
[20:23] <KoRnouille> extend your chat windows
[20:23] <KoRnouille>                                                   video_00 / {(thread) sink:queue:src ! sink:mpeg2dec:src ! src:xvimagesink}
[20:23] <KoRnouille> udpsrc:src ! {(bin) sink:queue:src ! sink:mpegdemux:src} !
[20:23] <KoRnouille>                                                   audio_00 \ {(thread) sink:queue:src ! sink:mad:src ! sink:osssink}
[20:23] <KoRnouille> :)
[20:23] <KoRnouille> how does this look like ?
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[20:25] <KoRnouille> thomasvs is always there when my problems are exposed *before* he steps in.
[20:25] <KoRnouille> :)
[20:45] <ibsteveog> hmm.. i'm trying to compile from CVS and getting lots of errors.. the first is "gst-run.c:31:18: glib.h: No such file or directory" but it exists in both /usr/include/glib-1.2 and glib-2.0...
[20:45] <ibsteveog> sorry for suck a newbie question ;-)
[20:46] <ibsteveog> err such*
[20:46] <BBB> ibsteveog: give a detailed error log on bugzilla so we can look at it
[20:47] <BBB> we need compile lines etc.
[20:48] <ibsteveog> you mean like:
[20:48] <ibsteveog> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..   -I/home/ogletree/mohave-projs/include -I/usr/openwin/share/include/X11/   -g -O2 -c `test -f 'gst-run.c' || echo './'`gst-run.c
[20:48] <ibsteveog> gst-run.c:31:18: glib.h: No such file or directory
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[20:51] <mathrick> y0 d01phy
[20:55] <BBB> ibsteveog: yes
[20:55] <BBB> because GLIB_CFLAGS is missing there
[20:55] Nick change: nerochiar -> nerochiaro
[20:56] <ibsteveog> is that something that should be fixed in the repository or is it purely my problem?
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[20:59] <thomasvs> ibsteveog: run autoregen.sh
[21:00] <Zeenix> hi
[21:01] <Zeenix> 52 people, cool that #gst is getting popular :)
[21:06] <mathrick> yo Zeenix
[21:07] <Zeenix> thomasvs: you told me to keep on reminding you to fix the missing links
[21:09] <ibsteveog> BBB: (ping) is that something that should be fixed in the repository or is it purely my problem?
[21:09] <ibsteveog> oops, just saw thomas' msg...
[21:10] <ibsteveog> thomasvs: i have run both autogen and autoregen once already
[21:15] <BBB> might be a repository problem... but seems unlikely
[21:15] <BBB> we're not getting it
[21:21] <sxpert> ok, I have a large leak over 24 hours...
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[21:22] <mathrick> hi aeyakovenko
[21:22] <iain> sxpert: run it in memprof and see what it does
[21:23] <sxpert> uh...
[21:23] Action: sxpert doesn't have memprof compiled on that box...
[21:23] <aeyakovenko> hey whats up
[21:23] <aeyakovenko> long time no see
[21:23] <aeyakovenko> been to busy at work :(
[21:25] Action: mathrick reads about Lisp, trying to grasp its concepts correctly :)
[21:25] <sxpert> mathrick: good lucj
[21:25] <sxpert> uh, luck
[21:28] <mathrick> sxpert: why? I have that feeling that lisp is really nice & powerful, i just need proper introduction. Of course when using it to write stupid little emacs macros in imperative style, it's not very impressing indeed, but that's not real lisp :)
[21:33] <ds-work> mathrick: sxpert just likes to troll
[21:34] <sxpert> ds-work: trolling is tantamount to a sane way of life...
[21:36] Action: Zeenix likes lisp
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[21:38] <teuf> hmm, does anyone know how an element should behave when it can get metadata by different means ?
[21:38] <teuf> should it only call gst_element_found_tags once
[21:39] <teuf> or can it call it each time it finds some interesting tag ?
[21:40] <mathrick> ds-work: I know that, I just feel like responding to his trolling today :o
[21:44] <sxpert> iain: is it possible to run memprof on machine A while target runs on machine B ?
[21:44] Action: sxpert doesnt want to have to install libgnomeui and friends on machine B
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[21:52] <ChriHJW> bbb !
[21:52] <ChriHJW> shit, he left
[21:52] <ChriHJW> anybody here also knows about the xvid encoder plugin for gstreamer ?
[21:52] <ChriHJW> is it dev API4 already ?
[21:56] Action: ChriHJW slaps the complete channel
[21:56] <ChriHJW> ANSWER MEEEE !!!!!
[21:56] <ChriHJW> is this agressive enough :)
[21:57] <mathrick> ChriHJW: I have no clue about xvid encoder. Satisfied? :)
[21:58] <ChriHJW> :)
[21:58] <ChriHJW> so, who besides BBB has a clue then :)
[22:00] Action: sxpert found that valgrind doesn't need anything...
[22:01] <ds-work> ChriHJW: probably not
[22:01] Action: wheels protrates himself at the mention of the holy valgrind.
[22:01] <ds-work> valgrind is evil KDE spawn
[22:02] Action: wheels rewrites ds-work in C++
[22:03] <ds-work> should be fun
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[22:03] Action: ds-work is written in Prolog
[22:03] <wheels> But actually its emergence had nothing to do with KDE -- KDE was just one of the first places that it was used.
[22:04] <teuf> gnome didn't need it since it doesn't have any leaks nor buffer overflows
[22:04] Action: teuf runs
[22:04] <ds-work> isn't Julian a KDEr?
[22:04] <wheels> ds-work: Well, he's a KDE user...
[22:04] <ds-work> ah, I thought he was a dev
[22:04] <wheels> ds-work: nope
[22:04] <ds-work> anyway, /me loves valgrind
[22:04] <ds-work> just wish it worked on powerpc
[22:05] <wheels> ds-work: Well, now valgrind is hosted in KDE's CVS, but I'm pretty sure that Julian hadn't had a CVS account before that.
[22:05] <Company> ds-work: how do we handle the opt borkage?
[22:05] <wheels> date: 2003/10/28 22:54:34;  author: kde;  state: Exp;  lines: +1 -0
[22:05] <wheels> Account for Julian Seward (jseward) created by dfaure.
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[22:05] <bilboed_school> anybody seen wtay awake recently ?
[22:05] <teuf> hi Company
[22:06] <ds-work> Company: no clue.  I've been thinking about other projects recently
[22:06] <Company> hi teuf
[22:06] <teuf> Company: tag question for you ;)
[22:06] <Company> ds-work: i'm gonna revert that commit then so rb works again
[22:06] <ds-work> wingo's?
[22:06] <Company> yeah
[22:07] <Company> teuf: go ahead
[22:07] <ds-work> just explain why in the changelog (and maybe send mail to the list)
[22:07] <teuf> Company: I don't manage to formulate it properly that's why it takes time ;)
[22:07] <Company> ds-work: i've sent one to the list explaining why it's borked already, but will send a follow up
[22:07] <teuf> Company: in an element, should gst_element_found_tags and pushing a tag event be done only once, or can I fire more tag events when I read a xing header ?
[22:08] <Company> teuf: you can emit a found_tag for every new tag you find
[22:11] <teuf> Company: hmm, in case the app receives the same tag from different events, it's up to it to decide what to do with it ?
[22:12] <Company> teuf: that's something i have not found a complete solution for
[22:13] <Company> teuf: my current idea is that the app should use gst_tag_list_insert (old_tag, new_tag, GST_TAG_LIST_MERGE_APPEND);
[22:13] <teuf> Company: in this specific case, I want it to replace it ;)
[22:13] <sxpert> crap, valgrind doesn't work with my kernel or something
[22:14] <sxpert> valgrind.so: When searching for client's argc/argc/envp:
[22:14] <sxpert>         suspiciously many (1000) argv[] entries; giving up
[22:14] <Company> teuf: you mean replace the id3 tag with the xing tag?
[22:14] <teuf> Company: yup
[22:15] <Company> teuf: there's no general way to solve that problem
[22:15] <Company> teuf: you have to decide if inner tags or outer tags are more important
[22:15] <Company> teuf: inner = parsed first, outer = parsed last
[22:17] <Company> teuf: in the case where inner tags are more important, you append
[22:17] <Company> teuf: in the other case you prepend
[22:17] <teuf> Company: apps will receive tags in the same order as they were sent by the elemnt ?
[22:17] <Company> teuf: (tags where only one entry is allowed - like length - will have only one entry even with append/prepend)
[22:17] <teuf> ah ok, I didn't know that ;)
[22:18] <Company> teuf: yeah, since elements are found before data is passed
[22:18] <Company> so element1 finds the tags before element2 receives the first data where it could parse tags from
[22:21] <teuf> ok, xing parsing seems to work, I need to do the boring stuff, check the license of the code I copied and pasted :-/
[22:22] <teuf> or rather, find out whether the guy who told me I could relicense his code as lgpl has written the whole function
[22:22] <Company> :o
[22:22] <Company> cvs annotate
[22:24] <teuf> hrm, I'm supposed to do that for each revision of the file, no ?
[22:26] <aeyakovenko> i get an error when trying to make a pipeline with fdsrc ffdec_mulaw osssink
[22:27] <ds-work> what error?
[22:27] <aeyakovenko> file gstprops.c: line 1074 (gst_props_get_entry): assertion `props != NULL' failed
[22:30] <teuf> anyone know if the setlocale(LC_ALL, "") is there for a reason in gst-launch ?
[22:31] <ds-work> probably doesn't need to be
[22:31] <ds-work> that's done in gst_init() now
[22:31] <teuf> so gst_init is messing with the user locale settings ?
[22:32] <ds-work> that doesn't mess with the user's locale settings
[22:32] <ds-work> that changes it *in the app* from C to the default (which is whatever the environment specifies)
[22:33] <teuf> hmm, and in gnome programs this is usually done by glib ?
[22:35] <ds-work> gtk, but yes
[22:35] <aeyakovenko> anyone know why this pipeline, fakesrc ! ffdec_pcm_mulaw ! fakesink, causes errors?
[22:35] <ds-work> [13:27] <ds-work> what error?
[22:36] <aeyakovenko> ds-work: i get this  GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstprops.c: line 1074 (gst_props_get_entry): assertion `props != NULL' failed
[22:37] <teuf> ds-work: I guess bind_textdomain_codeset isn't omitted on purpose in gst-launch and gst-inspect ?
[22:37] <teuf> I'm about to add them
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[22:38] <ds-work> aeyakovenko: you're using 0.6?  I don't think anyone remembers much about 0.6 anymore
[22:39] <aeyakovenko> ds-work does it give you an error when you launch it with 0.7?
[22:39] <ds-work> teuf: whatever is necessary to make it work right :)
[22:39] <ds-work> aeyakovenko: I don't have any mulaw files
[22:40] <ds-work> aeyakovenko: I'd probably use mulawdec anyway
[22:40] <aeyakovenko> ds-work this is with a fakesrc and sink
[22:40] <ds-work> aeyakovenko: that's probably why it fails
[22:40] <aeyakovenko> ds-work gst-launch gives me an error for that pipeline, or any with taht ff decoder
[22:42] Action: sxpert tries intalling gstreamer CVS next to the debian packages
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[22:45] <aeyakovenko> ds-work, ok mulawdec works, but it seems that none of the ff* things work
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[23:01] <Company> aeyakovenko: use mulawdec
[23:03] <mathrick> hi aussie
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[23:29] <thaytoo> g'day mathrick, Company 
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[23:42] <wheels> Hmm,  
[23:42] <wheels> FERME Paul-henri
[23:42] <wheels> argl
[23:42] <wheels> paste error
[23:43] <Company> wheels: good that you get a quality team now to fix stuff like "paste errors" ;)
[23:43] <ds-work> thaytoo: lets talk about keypress events
[23:43] Action: wheels notes that RB/Gst doesn't seem to be able to read meta data at the moment here...
[23:44] <Company> wheels: crash in opt, i know
[23:44] <wheels> Company: Actually I've though about hacking KSirc to prompt on pasting anything with a linebreak in it...
[23:44] <wheels> Speaking of which, maybe I'll do that now.  :-)
[23:44] <taaz> shame that gst needs a whole user event handling system when so many exist...
[23:45] <ds-work> taaz: such as?
[23:45] <wheels> Company: actually I don't crashes...
[23:45] <taaz> x, sdl, gdk, etc...
[23:45] <taaz> i know it doesn't map onto gst...
[23:45] <taaz> err, they don't
[23:45] <Company> taaz: problem is that gst needs to be compatible to all of them...
[23:46] <taaz> compatible both ways really
[23:46] <Company> we're all looking for an easy way to get that done, but unfortunately noone found one that's easy enough yet
[23:46] <taaz> Company: well... not really, depends on your perspective
[23:47] <thaytoo> ds-work: sure
[23:48] <taaz> an argument can be made that it's the apps problem, but we already have X stuff creeping into plugins.  so maybe that's the route it will take.  i did app-side events for vdv long ago but that kind of sucked and doesn't work well.  maybe better now that i can map onto gst events.
[23:48] <thaytoo> not that I have any good answers
[23:49] <Company> X is not creeping into the plugins
[23:49] <thaytoo> taaz: having it be that application's problem means the app has to know a lot more about the pipelines
[23:50] <Company> gst is the only framework that can make dvds play with warpTV ;)
[23:50] <Company> or upside down
[23:50] <Company> and still transform mouse moves correctly
[23:50] <taaz> thaytoo: having it be the pipeline's problem means the pipeline has to know a lot more about the application
[23:50] <thaytoo> Company: it is a little... we need to pick a standard key symbol representation
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[23:50] <Company> yeah
[23:50] <taaz> ie, tradeoffs either way i think.
[23:51] <Company> send the keyname, be happy
[23:51] <thaytoo> exactly
[23:51] <Company> but that was just a guess, i haven't looked closely
[23:51] <ds-work> thaytoo: from what I can see from working on rfbsrc, we need to have fields for modifier key bitmask, a raw code describing the key (XKeycode, maybe), a UTF-8 string containing text corresponding to the key, and...
[23:51] <taaz> "keyname"?
[23:51] <thaytoo> apps can intercept special keypresses if they want to
[23:52] <thaytoo> and let the pipeline handle everything else however it wants
[23:52] <Company> (it needs to work on directfb, windows and os x)
[23:53] <Company> (and with foreign keymappings - like japanese
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[23:53] <ds-work> more importantly, it needs to work with shift
[23:53] <ds-work> which it currently does not
[23:53] <Company> plugins eating keys should have to support some configurration interface ;)
[23:54] <thaytoo> Company: yeah, but can we do that second? ;)
[23:54] <Company> sure
[23:54] <thaytoo> ds-work: yes, I think the modifier mask is important
[23:55] <thaytoo> for mouse-clicks too, probably
[23:55] <ds-work> but it's important to keep modifier keys separated from the UTF-8 representation
[23:55] <thaytoo> I just don't want to invent 'another' standard mask if there's one from X/Gdk we can use?
[23:55] <thaytoo> *nod*
[23:55] <ds-work> since # on my keyboard is shift-3
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[23:56] <taaz> so rfbsrc is more of a "raw" key handling plugin.  most other situations are maybe better handled with app key-to-event transformations
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[23:56] <ds-work> x and gdk use the same mask
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[23:56] <tvon> Will gst-player work with 0.7x?
[23:56] <ds-work> tvon: yes
[23:56] Action: tvon nods
[23:56] <ds-work> taaz: no, it needs both raw and UTF-8
[23:56] <tvon> I'm getting build errors with 0.6.0, should I be using cvs?
[23:56] <thaytoo> ds-work: oh, cool
[23:57] <ds-work> taaz: with some wacky twists to make shift-tab work, for example
[23:57] <tvon> gstmediaplay.c:777: error: `GstProps' undeclared (first use in this function)
[23:57] <tvon> That would be the error
[23:57] <ds-work> thaytoo: although I would prefer a string representation, e.g., "Ctrl Shift"
[23:57] <ds-work> that's a bit overkill, though
[23:57] <taaz> ds-work: i mean in the abstract sense of rfbsrc needing all key info vs, say, dvdnavsrc which should probably take a "left" event vs binding to some specific key.
[23:59] <ds-work> taaz: right
[23:59] <thaytoo> taaz: I think so too, the question is how to do the mapping
[00:00] --- Wed Mar  3 2004
[00:00] <taaz> thaytoo: callback?
[00:00] <thaytoo> we can add a field to the event for the 'event' of the key
[00:01] <thaytoo> taaz: yeah, it has to be, I think
[00:01] <taaz> could have pipeline spit out the key events from whereever and app needs to transform and inject new event back in?
[00:01] <taaz> if it doesn't handle them raw that is
[00:02] <Company> ugh
[00:02] <thaytoo> I'd like it to 'just work' in gst-launch still
[00:02] <Company> would a videoflip element need to switch left/right arrows?
[00:03] <taaz> thaytoo: yeah, but somehow need to allow people to map hjkl to left/down/up/right if they want
[00:03] <taaz> which is certainly an app level thing
[00:03] <ds-work> that could be done with something like identity and an upstream event signal
[00:05] <thaytoo> does the app then consume the event and emit a new one?
[00:05] <ds-work> it could just change the event
[00:06] <mathrick> http://www.gnu.org/software/emms/
[00:06] <thaytoo> ok
[00:06] Action: mathrick has some filthy thoughts ;)
[00:07] <tvon> cvs build process for gst-player looks for 'common' in ./ when it would (I'd think) be in ../ .  It also trys to 'cvs co common' when it is now 'cvs co gstreamer/common'
[00:07] <tvon> Unless I'm just wrong :)
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[00:08] <ds-work> autogen.sh should check it out correctly
[00:08] <ds-work> it works correctly here
[00:09] <tvon> hrm
[00:09] <tvon> + getting common/ from cvs
[00:09] <tvon> cvs-1.12.1-4 server: cannot find module `common' - ignored
[00:09] <tvon> Tis what it did her
[00:09] <tvon> I linkd comoon from ../ to ./ and it worked fine though
[00:09] <tvon> s/her/here/
[00:10] <tvon> ah, I also did not have CVSROOT set in the env, I had done the co with -d
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[00:12] <mathrick> yo BBB
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[00:17] <BBB> hi
[00:17] <BBB> time to go home...
[00:18] <BBB> I'll be back in 1-2 hrs
[00:18] <BBB> :)
[00:18] <BBB> bye!
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[00:22] <thomasvs> tvon: what cvsroot are you using ?
[00:22] <thomasvs> tvon: paste your complete checkout line
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[00:46] <tvon> cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvs co gstreamer/common
[00:47] <tvon> thomasvs: ^^
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[01:04] <thomasvs> tvon: for gstreamer I mean
[01:05] <tvon> thomasvs: ahh, I only fetched gst-player from cvs for which I used the same command s/common/gst-player/
[01:06] <tvon> cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvs co gstreamer/gst-player
[01:06] <tvon> gstreamer itself is installed from Fedora 1.90 rpms
[01:09] <casaxno> hi
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[01:09] <thaytoo> tvon: I do cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvs/gstreamer co gst-player 
[01:10] <tvon> ah
[01:10] <tvon> that explains it I think
[01:10] <casaxno> can someone tell me where work around concerning this error : configure: WARNING: no configuration information is in gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffmpeg
[01:10] <casaxno> ?
[01:10] <tvon> I used gstreamer/gst-player becuase I was looking at the fdo cvs instructions and when it didnt find just 'gst-player' I chnaged it to co 'gstreamer/gst-player'
[01:10] Action: tvon shrugs
[01:11] <casaxno> i 've got some problems with ffmeg plugin
[01:13] <thaytoo> casaxno: cvs checkout of gst-ffmpeg?
[01:13] <thaytoo> edit the configure.ac file and change the GST_FFMPEG_VERSION to 0,7,1,1 (change the last number from 0 to 1)
[01:13] <thomasvs> tvon: the instructions are on our website, but thaytoo is right, you were checking out the wrong way
[01:14] <thaytoo> then rerun autogen.sh
[01:14] <thaytoo> thomasvs: the gst-ffmpeg nano should be 1 in CVS, no?
[01:14] Action: ds-work mutters something about CVS
[01:14] <tvon> heh, I used the fdo instructions because I knew you were hosted there now...Iguess this is an example of a little information being a dangerous thing
[01:14] <thomasvs> thaytoo: yeah
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[01:15] <thaytoo> casaxno: gst-ffmpeg in CVS needs a little love still to build right
[01:15] <thomasvs> thaytoo: oh, right, that should have been updated after release, sorry
[01:15] <thomasvs> thaytoo: give me some love re: quit on the mailing list so I can cut the cord tomorrow and Just Do It
[01:15] <ds-work> it would be nice if gst-editor would show the negotiated caps for pads
[01:15] <casaxno> you right sorry
[01:15] <thomasvs> ds-work: yeah, if you click on them
[01:16] <thomasvs> ds-work: and I want little triangular warning signs when there are errors that you can click on too
[01:16] <thomasvs> ds-work: and I want a clock display
[01:16] <thaytoo> file me some enhancement bugs?
[01:16] <thomasvs> will do soon :)
[01:16] <thomasvs> thaytoo: you're up for that sort of stuff ?
[01:16] <thomasvs> great :)
[01:17] Nick change: thomasvs -> thomasvz
[01:17] <ds-work> thaytoo: are you interesting in gst-editor hacking?
[01:17] <thomasvz> ds-work: he should be, he's the maintainer
[01:17] <thomasvz> everyone is sort of realizing that I intend us to release 0.8 about ten days from now right ?
[01:17] <thomasvz> I'll send a mail or something about that tomorrow I guess
[01:17] <ds-work> sure would be nice if I could get motivated
[01:17] <ds-work> isn't gnome being delayed?
[01:18] <thomasvz> ds-work: what sort of motivation do you want ?
[01:18] <ds-work> dunno
[01:18] <thomasvz> ds-work: yeah, that's why we have until about the 10th to release
[01:18] <thomasvz> ds-work: help on other projects ?
[01:18] <thomasvz> ds-work: cheering on ?
[01:18] <thomasvz> ds-work: let us know, mail me :)
[01:18] <thomasvz> night people
[01:23] <ds-work> dunno.  maybe I need to stop thinking about girls.  or one in particular.
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[01:34] <casaxno> i 've got new problem
[01:34] <casaxno> make[4]: Entering directory `/home/casaxno/gst-ffmpeg/gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg'
[01:34] <casaxno> Patching ffmpeg if necessary .../bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected
[01:34] <casaxno> end of file
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[01:42] <thaytoo> casaxno: yeah, that's what I meant about 'needing love'
[01:42] <thaytoo> you are really probably better off using the disted tarball for the next few days at least
[01:43] <thaytoo> ds-work: yeah, I'm up for it
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[01:51] <handball> hi, is anyone around? I have a really simple question that has been frustrating me. I mailed the list but haven't heard anything back yet...
[01:52] <ds-work> just ask
[01:53] <handball> ok. I'm trying to get the total length of a file. like, in seconds. I've been looking at code examples and whatnot but whenever I try to call gst_element_query like they do, the return value is always false
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[01:54] <handball> I have a little program trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong, if anyone wants to look at code. http://teyandei.net/projects/length.c
[01:56] <bitshifter> handball: have a look at how rhythmbox does it (metadata/rb-metadata-gst.c). The problem in your code is that you're querying before the sink has gotten any data yet (before the first pipeline iteration).
[01:56] <ds-work> you may need to iterate a few times before the length is known
[01:56] <handball> ohh ok. that makes sense
[01:57] <handball> see now I just feel silly, because I thought about that but didn't try it.
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[02:03] <bitshifter> apoc?
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[02:05] Action: BBB kicks again... this time, glib-2.3, gtk-2.3 and pango-1.3 are the target
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[02:09] <BBB> so why, if I install gtk-2.3, does my system refuse to show any themes in gdm (and therefore refuses to start the UI)? :/
[02:11] <casaxno> well getting tar balls from sourceforge, as version 0.7.3 i still get the same problem. Maybe it comes from version from autotools but i don't looks like good
[02:12] <ds-work> the current version would be 0.7.5
[02:12] Action: BBB does random evil things to totem
[02:12] <mathrick> casaxno: was ffmpeg source checked out correctly?
[02:12] <casaxno> yeah
[02:13] <casaxno> i get no errors
[02:13] <BBB> current gst-ffmpeg CVS does *not* compile
[02:13] <BBB> in case that wasn't clear yet ;)
[02:14] <casaxno> Patching ffmpeg if necessary .../bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[02:14] <casaxno> make[4]: *** [patches] Error 2
[02:14] <BBB> yup :)
[02:14] <BBB> and I can fix that error, but thomasvs needs to do some more love before it compiles again
[02:14] <casaxno> version 0.7.3 and 0.7.5 same problem
[02:14] <BBB> of what?
[02:14] <BBB> there's only one version of gst-ffmpeg
[02:15] <casaxno> as i said up
[02:15] <casaxno> Patching ffmpeg
[02:15] <casaxno>  ...
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[02:16] <casaxno> i meant 0.7.5 = cvs version
[02:16] <casaxno> sorry i was confusing
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[02:18] Nick change: harshy -> harshyOut
[02:19] Action: BBB commits fixes for the patching
[02:21] <BBB> try patch in CVS
[02:21] <mxpxpod> are there debian packages somewhere for 0.7?
[02:22] <ds-work> no
[02:25] <casaxno> sorry looking again from messages up. i come to understand. Well i'm so tired it's 2:30 AM on paris, i do too mistakes. It's better for me to sleep and wait for the fix.
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[02:26] <mathrick> nite
[02:26] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|sleep
[02:26] <casaxno> thanks
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[02:51] <BBB> ok, I think I've got a fix for ffmpeg
[02:52] <Blade_vrs> apoc can i ask you a qustion please about tiscail and linux
[02:54] <BBB> and before anyone starts nagging about the commit I just did to gst-ffmpeg: don't even try
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