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[03:26] <Misirlou> It's already Monday. :)
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[04:07] <thaytoo> how do I get access to change bugs in bugzilla?
[04:12] <Company> thaytoo: ask thomasvs so he can ask someone from the bugzilla crew ;)
[04:13] <thaytoo> ta
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[04:31] <aeyakovenko> hello
[04:34] <aeyakovenko> this is really strange, i wrote a little program to test (fdsrc -> fakesink) and it works for gstreamer-0.6 and gstreamer-0.7.3 but not gstreamer 0.7.5
[04:37] <aeyakovenko> well, 0.7.5 is isntalled with gentoo the other ones i linked by hand
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[05:18] <aeyakovenko> well something got changed between 0.7.3 and 0.7.5 that a simple fdsrc->fakesink pipe no longer works
[05:19] <thaytoo> what's the error?
[05:19] <thaytoo> does it work with --gst-scheduler=basicgthread ?
[05:19] <aeyakovenko> it just doesnt work, the fdsrc just blocks on the pipe
[05:20] <aeyakovenko> no error
[05:20] <thaytoo> isn't that what it did before?
[05:20] <aeyakovenko> yea, but there is data to read
[05:21] <thaytoo> --gst-debug-level=4 tell you anything?
[05:21] <aeyakovenko> it reads it in 0.6 up to 0.7.3 then from 0.7.5 it doesnt work
[05:22] <aeyakovenko> it thinks its eos
[05:23] <thaytoo> there was a change for doing timeout on the fdsrc that may be it
[05:24] <aeyakovenko> was timeout infinite previosly?
[05:25] <thaytoo> yeah, there was no timeout previously
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[05:25] <thaytoo> bye!
[05:25] <thaytoo> hi!
[05:25] <aeyakovenko> oops
[05:25] <aeyakovenko> hehe
[05:25] <thaytoo> http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/elements/gstfdsrc.c.diff?r1=1.31&r2=1.33
[05:26] <thaytoo> http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/elements/gstfdsrc.h.diff?r1=1.9&r2=1.10
[05:26] <thaytoo> check out those two
[05:27] <thaytoo> it will help to create a bug entry and attach your test program
[05:28] <aeyakovenko> man, C is confusing
[05:28] <aeyakovenko> i dont know how you guys do it
[05:28] <BBB> we love C
[05:29] Action: BBB wonders how he's going to fix gst-rec next
[05:29] <thaytoo> BBB: alsasink still needs more loving :-/
[05:29] <thaytoo> I'm not sure how to fix it
[05:30] <thaytoo> at the moment, because GstAlsaMixer isa GstAlsa, it holds open the pcm device while in READY state
[05:30] <thaytoo> which my mixer_applet is doing, and prevents me using the soundcard for anything else
[05:30] <thaytoo> as it's a one-per-customer-stupid-intel-soundcard
[05:30] <BBB> ehm
[05:30] <thaytoo> ideas appreciated 
[05:31] <BBB> how does it open the mixer?
[05:31] Action: BBB checks
[05:31] <BBB> you know all my apps still use OSS?
[05:31] Action: BBB doesn't use ALSA at all
[05:31] Action: BBB tries sinesrc ! alsasink
[05:31] <thaytoo> the GstAlsa state change does an open_sound, is the problem
[05:31] <BBB> heh, works
[05:31] <BBB> no
[05:31] <BBB> alsasink
[05:31] <BBB> er
[05:31] <BBB> alsamixer
[05:31] <BBB> does it open a mixer itself?
[05:32] <thaytoo> yeah, GstAlsaMixer does that
[05:32] <BBB> snd_mixer_open
[05:32] <BBB> hm
[05:32] <BBB> interesting
[05:32] <thaytoo> but it's inheriting from GstAlsa
[05:32] <thaytoo> which holds the pcm also
[05:32] <thaytoo> ber, gotta go
[05:32] <BBB> in the open_sound function, check if we have any pad templates on our class
[05:32] <BBB> if not, we're a mixer
[05:32] <thaytoo> meeting to attend
[05:32] <BBB> gr
[05:32] <BBB> that means I have to fix it
[05:32] <BBB> I hate alsa
[05:32] <BBB> bah
[05:33] <thaytoo> BBB: there's about 4 functions that would need to check
[05:33] <thaytoo> bbl
[05:33] <BBB> willdo
[05:36] <aeyakovenko> it just thinks the element is eos for some reason
[05:37] <BBB> try to debug it...
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[05:42] <aeyakovenko> i think the culprit is this do/while loop in gstfdsrc.c
[05:43] <aeyakovenko> well maybe not
[05:44] <aeyakovenko> yea, thats got to be it
[05:45] <aeyakovenko> on line 219 there is a little do while loop to read all the data from the fdsrc
[05:45] <aeyakovenko> if thats a pipe, its going to read all the available data and go to eos if thats a pipe, regardless if more data is coming
[05:45] <aeyakovenko> hehe, cant type
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[05:55] <BBB> line 219?
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[05:55] <aeyakovenko> yea
[05:56] <aeyakovenko> in the 0.7.6 sources
[05:57] <aeyakovenko> err i mean 234
[05:57] <BBB> line 234 is normal
[05:57] <BBB> what does a pipe have tod ow ith it?
[05:57] <aeyakovenko> i mean 219
[05:57] <aeyakovenko> i am retarted
[05:57] <aeyakovenko> lets say i pass it a unix socket
[05:57] <BBB> yes
[05:57] <aeyakovenko> there might not be any data on it when it reads but data is comming some time soon
[05:58] <aeyakovenko> so read returns 0, it assumes its at the end of a file
[05:58] <BBB> that's why it selects
[05:58] <BBB> return 0 is EOF
[05:58] <aeyakovenko> in the loop
[05:58] <aeyakovenko> it will always get to zero
[05:58] <BBB> 'data soon' would return -1 with errno=EAGAIN
[05:58] <aeyakovenko> cause he is reading untill its empty
[05:59] <BBB> you pass it a fd opened with O_NONBLOCK
[05:59] <BBB> you should pass it a fd opened without O_NONBLOCK
[05:59] <BBB> I think
[05:59] <aeyakovenko> its not blocking
[05:59] <aeyakovenko> i mean its blocking
[05:59] <aeyakovenko> it doesnt have the nonblock flag
[06:00] <aeyakovenko> it works in 0.6 up to 0.7.3
[06:00] <BBB> hm...
[06:00] <BBB> ok, well, open a bug report on bugzilla
[06:00] <aeyakovenko> it will always get to 0
[06:00] <BBB> I can't fix it, I know nothing of fdsrc
[06:00] <BBB> :/
[06:00] <BBB> make it critical
[06:01] <aeyakovenko> i understand the eos if it times out, but if its not a file it will always eos right after it wakes up
[06:02] <BBB> ok, I understand
[06:02] <BBB> again, file a bug report on bugzilla
[06:02] <BBB> I know nothing about fdsrc so I won't apply any patches there
[06:03] <BBB> we're too close to 0.8.0 for me to mess up now
[06:03] <BBB> and thomasvs will be really angry
[06:03] <aeyakovenko> hehe, its ok, i just want to be sure if, i dont have lots of pure C experience
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[06:24] <thaytoo> BBB: ok, back
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[06:30] <nirus> hey all
[06:32] <BBB> thaytoo: working on it
[06:32] <BBB> my configure.ac was messed up (quilt...), so takes a while
[06:38] <thaytoo> ok, cool
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[06:38] <BBB> I've patches gstalsa.c, but I cannot test it until compile is finished
[06:38] <BBB> thaytoo: does gst-plugins/examples/gstplay/player run for you with current CVS?
[06:39] <BBB> it errors out here with a g_error() in opt
[06:39] <BBB> :/
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[06:44] <thaytoo> I can't test from here
[06:44] <BBB> I will
[06:44] <thaytoo> I've no access to the tree from work
[06:44] <BBB> hey, running gnome-volume-control and then sinesrc ! alsasink isn't *that* hard
[06:45] <thaytoo> it is when there's no Xserver available :)
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[07:06] <BBB> hm
[07:06] <BBB> this is annoying
[07:07] <BBB> you can only get the edvice name from a snd_pcm_t and not a snd_mixer_t in alsa
[07:07] <BBB> sucks
[07:08] <thaytoo> I think we should iterate device names using snd_ctl_* or something 
[07:08] <thaytoo> but that's more rework
[07:08] <BBB> what's those?
[07:15] <thaytoo> the control interface lets you iterate available devices and things without open the pcm at all
[07:15] <thaytoo> and more than one person can open them at a time, AFAIK
[07:15] <BBB> hm
[07:15] <BBB> interesting
[07:19] Action: BBB plays
[07:26] <aeyakovenko> does anyone know what this means?  DEBUG       GST_EVENT(12714) gstelement.c(3287):gst_element_set_eos_recursive: setting recursive EOS on _mediasinkfdsrc
[07:32] <BBB> thaytoo: ok, committing fix right no
[07:32] <thaytoo> BBB: awesomely quick. I'll try it tonight
[07:32] <BBB> aeyakovenko: it means the element called gst_element_set_eos()
[07:32] <BBB> that's all
[07:34] <BBB> fix is in
[07:35] <thaytoo> okay, I'm heading off shopping. I'll be home in an hour or two to try it
[07:35] <BBB> ok
[07:35] <BBB> if it doesn't work, bug thomas to not release until I'm online or so
[07:35] <BBB> I'll try to be asap
[07:35] <BBB> but it appears to just work fine
[07:38] <BBB> I'm off to bed
[07:38] <BBB> bye!
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[08:39] <aeyakovenko> select is broken on my machine
[08:39] <aeyakovenko> this is so strange
[08:44] <aeyakovenko> this is weird
[08:47] <aeyakovenko> anyone know what library select is part of?
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[09:02] <aeyakovenko> hello
[09:05] Nick change: mathrick|sleep -> mathrick
[09:05] <mathrick> mornin
[09:06] <aeyakovenko> morning
[09:06] <khalek> evening
[09:06] <aeyakovenko> do you have any idea why select and poll would return two different things for the same file selector?
[09:06] <aeyakovenko> select returns no data, when poll returns the right answer, there is data on the fd
[09:07] <aeyakovenko> whatever is happening its screwing up how fdsrc works
[09:08] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: what do you mean by poll? ie. what function call
[09:08] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: poll form <sys/poll.h>
[09:08] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: you can man it, its just like select, except a little more usefull
[09:09] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: strange thing it isn't in my DevHelp Glibc book... :\
[09:09] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/poll.2.html
[09:10] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: i have no idea why select is not working though, but its causing fdsrc to timeout and think its eos
[09:10] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: not needed, I have it in my man. I'd just prefer my DevHelp to have accurate docs, otoh it may be linux specific call
[09:11] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: i believe it is linux only, but it is more usefull for very large number of fd's
[09:12] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: either way, any idea why select would not work?
[09:13] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: reading currently, maybe there is some subtle difference in semantics
[09:17] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: maybe its something specific to pipe's created with "pipe" system call
[09:17] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: not really, I can't spot any obvious differences, moreover poll() can be implemented using select, so they should be exchangeable
[09:18] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: thats what i figured
[09:18] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: "not really" refers to your earlier q, not the one about pipe, btw
[09:20] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: yea, i follow
[09:21] <aeyakovenko> but i think the same thing is happening with unix sockets
[09:21] <camh> aeyakovenko: are you making sure you FD_SET the desired file descriptors each time around the select loop?
[09:22] <camh> aeyakovenko: ie. not just once at the beginning?
[09:22] <aeyakovenko> camh: yes
[09:22] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: ie, they show different behaviour depending on wether you test them with select() or poll() ?
[09:23] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: yep, same fd, select returns 0 poll returns 1, when i changed fdsrc to use poll it worked like a charm, but with select it just times out
[09:24] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: dunno, maybe there are some strange flags to be set that alter select()'s semantics that poll() already has
[09:25] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: i am curious if this is specific to my machine, or my kernel
[09:25] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: i used select before without a problem, i am 99.99% sure i am using it right
[09:25] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: what event does poll() return on this fd? POLLIN ?
[09:26] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: well, ill check, but i only ask for POLLIN
[09:27] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: yep POLLIN
[09:30] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: ill try it at work tomorrow on redhat es 3.0 maybe something is screwed up in my kernel, i am using gentoo sources 2.6.1
[09:31] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: well, it may be, although then I suspect your whole system would break terribly
[09:31] <mathrick> aeyakovenko: maybe ask around on #kernel or something
[09:34] <camh> aeyakovenko: my quick test shows select returning 1 on stdin (both pipe and tty) - kernel 2.6.4, glibc 2.3.2
[09:35] <aeyakovenko> can i paste my source real quick?
[09:35] <camh> aeyakovenko: ok with me
[09:35] <mathrick> sure
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> doh
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> #include <string>
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> #include <iostream>
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> using namespace std;
[09:36] <aeyakovenko>                                                                                                                                                              
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> #include <assert.h>
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[09:36] <camh> aeyakovenko: try #flood
[09:36] <aeyakovenko> ok
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[09:37] <aeyakovenko> doesnt like that
[09:37] <mathrick> " Paste slowly or use client throttling | For large amounts of text, consider a paste site (like http://paste.msunix.org/)"
[09:38] <aeyakovenko> int main(int argc, char** argv)
[09:38] <aeyakovenko> {
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>   int _pipe[2];
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>   assert(pipe(_pipe) == 0);
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>   for(int i=0; true ; ++i)
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>   {
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     write(_pipe[1], &i, sizeof(i));
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     int toread = 0;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     struct pollfd ufds;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     ufds.events = POLLIN;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     ufds.fd = _pipe[0];
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     toread = poll(&ufds, 1, WAIT);
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     fd_set rfds;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     struct timeval tv;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>                                                                                 
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     FD_ZERO(&rfds);
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     FD_SET(_pipe[0], &rfds);
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     /* Wait up to five seconds. */
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     tv.tv_sec = 5;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     tv.tv_usec = 0;
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>                                                                                 
[09:38] <aeyakovenko>     toread = select(1, &rfds, NULL, NULL, &tv);
[09:38] <aeyakovenko> both return different values
[09:39] <camh> aeyakovenko: first arg to select needs to be highest fd + 1
[09:40] <aeyakovenko> camh: value of fd or # of fd?
[09:40] <camh> aeyakovenko: value. as it is, you can only select on stdin (fd 0)
[09:41] <camh> aeyakovenko: use _pipe[0] + 1 as the first arg.
[09:41] <aeyakovenko> woo hooo
[09:41] <aeyakovenko> then there is a bug in fdsrc ;)
[09:42] <aeyakovenko> from gstfdsrc.c " retval = select (1, &readfds, NULL, NULL, tp);" 
[09:42] <aeyakovenko> bah, no wonder it works with cat
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[09:46] <aeyakovenko> camh: hehe, time for a beer
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[09:51] <aeyakovenko> mathrick: camh: can one of you guys fix that in gstfdsrc.c then?  just change 1 to src->fd + 1 i guess
[09:55] <camh> aeyakovenko: right on. friends just arrived - we're off to the pub :-)
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[10:04] <aeyakovenko> thanks for your help, i hope its fixed by 0.8, good night everyone
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[11:38] <fremo> hi, 404: http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/bindings
[11:39] <thomasvs> I know, need to readd that page
[11:39] <thomasvs> where did you get to it ?
[11:39] <fremo> from the main page http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/
[11:39] <fremo> BTW, hello
[11:40] <thomasvs> hi :)
[11:40] <fremo> I wonder if gstreamer is the good application to make a kind of jukebox radio with a web interface or if it already exist
[11:41] <fremo> jukebox means playlist reader and radio means broadcast
[11:41] <fremo> and web interface means html interface for choosing the tunes
[11:43] <fremo> oups, I get the broken links from http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/dev
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[11:54] <bluejay> fremo: I have a friend working on something similar.
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[11:55] <bluejay> fremo: He's writing it in python
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[13:01] <iain> can someone in #gnome-hackers tell me when jdub and michael have stopped bitching at each other?
[13:01] <thaytan> sweet alsasink mixer works now
[13:02] <thomasvs> iain: I'll try - if it stops :)
[13:02] <iain> thomasvs: thanks, I can't deal with bitching at the moment, it'll make me depressed again :)
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[13:08] <thaytan> omg hahahaha
[13:08] <thaytan> ok, alsa not. quite. right. :)
[13:09] <thaytan> the mixer control applet insists on decreases the volume by 1 notch about every second 
[13:10] <thomasvs> thaytan: that's not a bug, it's a feature
[13:10] <thomasvs> thaytan: it helps against prolonged ear damage
[13:16] <thaytan> hehe
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[13:46] <iain> are we using gst-ffmpeg or gst-ffmpeg.new now?
[13:47] <thomasvs> iain: gst-ffmpeg
[13:47] <thomasvs> iain: it's been renamed
[13:47] <thomasvs> and I can safely say now it is guaranteed to build
[13:47] <thomasvs> to be safe, remove your old checkout though
[13:48] <teuf> thomasvs: yeah, I tested it this weke end, and it worked flawlessly on my box ;)
[13:48] <thomasvs> teuf: great :)
[13:48] <teuf> well, it compiled, I didn't test if the plugins actually worked
[13:48] <thomasvs> teuf: I just put in some more fixes for the people that really are missing all devel packages and stuff
[13:48] <thomasvs> teuf: well, try it :)
[13:48] <iain> thomasvs: cool, will do
[13:48] <iain> thomasvs: is #gnome-hackers safe yet?
[13:48] <thomasvs> iain: sort of - michael is away for lunch
[13:48] <thomasvs> it got quite ugly though :)
[13:49] <iain> hopfully that'll calm him down
[13:49] Action: iain doesn't want to see people fighting
[13:49] <thomasvs> iain: why does it bother you that much ?
[13:51] <iain> normally it wouldn't, but I'm feeling weird at the moment
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[14:04] <iain> thomasvs: gst-ffmpeg compiles fine here too
[14:04] <iain> hmm, running gst-register-0.8 I get trying to load global_registry
[14:04] <iain> error loading global_registry
[14:08] <iain> whats the policy for committing to CVS at the moment?
[14:09] <iain> oh...I'm dumb
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[14:49] <jdahlin> ds, sorry about the caps macro screwup
[14:54] <KoRnouille> hello
[14:54] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: how is the xoverlay going on for python ?
[14:56] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: a bit better
[14:56] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: later today, you should be able to use it
[14:56] <jdahlin> cannot guarantee that you can write a videoplayer with it though
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[15:17] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: look at this
[15:17] <jdahlin> >>> import gst.interfaces
[15:18] <jdahlin> >>> sink = gst.Element('ximagesink')
[15:18] <jdahlin> >>> overlay = gst.interfaces.XOverlay(sink)
[15:18] <jdahlin> >>> overlay
[15:18] <jdahlin> <gstinterfaces.XOverlay object at 0x912cc78>
[15:18] <jdahlin> that's how it's supposed to be done
[15:18] <jdahlin> then you can set the window id
[15:26] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: if you do cvs up, it should work now
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[15:54] <thomasvs> iain: what did you run into exactly ?
[15:55] <iain> forgetting I needed to be root for it to write the global_registry
[15:56] <iain> gst_registry_load needs to take a GError so it can report stuff
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[16:10] <thomasvs> iain: yeah, I'd agree, but it's too late I think
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[17:18] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: ok, i'll try that probably today or tomorrow... thanks, that's really sounds cool. :)
[17:20] <KoRnouille> by the way, I've asked this question already... i'll post a note on the mailing list if I can't get my answer from here :
[17:21] <mathrick> yo
[17:21] <KoRnouille> as Im using udpsrc and udpsink, I can't seem to detect the eos signal on the client side to reload my pipeline to be ready for the next file
[17:21] <KoRnouille> any idea how I could do that ?
[17:28] <jdahlin> cvs merging is so fun!
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[17:37] <jdahlin> thomasvs: no header files are indented now, right?
[17:37] <jdahlin> thomasvs: for all projects
[17:40] <thomasvs> jdahlin: if you reverted them all, then yes
[17:41] <jdahlin> thomasvs: no, I mean auto-indented
[17:41] <thomasvs> yep
[17:42] <jdahlin> I reverted gst-plugins too, I'm not sure if it makes sense for gst-editor and gst-recorder since they are apps
[17:43] <thomasvs> I don't think I did their headers
[17:43] <thomasvs> and they aren't apps, they have libs too
[17:44] <jdahlin> you did
[17:44] <jdahlin> and gst-player too
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[17:48] <thomasvs> well, good luck :)
[17:48] Action: thomasvs is wondering if he'll have time today to do a final prerelease
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[17:51] <mathrick> hi teuf
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[17:54] <BBB> so, how's the release?
[17:54] <BBB> thaytan: did alsa work for you?
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[17:55] <BBB> and let's have a cool release name this time
[17:55] <BBB> like
[17:55] <BBB> 'conquer the desktop'
[17:56] <BBB> with a C, not a K
[17:56] <BBB> (yet)
[17:56] <BBB> >:)
[17:56] <jdahlin> "fud for thought"
[17:57] <BBB> heh :)
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[17:57] <BBB> so did thomasvs look at my breaking MPEG yet?
[17:57] <BBB> and does anyone have crashes in opt (g_error()) with any pipeline containing a loopbased element?
[17:57] <BBB> like
[17:57] <jdahlin> Dunno, you have to check with him
[17:57] <BBB> sinesrc ! alsasink
[17:58] <jdahlin> or dolphy
[17:58] <BBB> or the libgstplay player example
[17:58] <BBB> "?
[17:59] <BBB> please someone say yes or no, I need to know if this is local or not
[18:01] Action: jdahlin compiles
[18:02] <dolphy> hmmm ?
[18:02] <jdahlin> the MPEG breaking
[18:03] Action: dolphy finishes to rebuild current HEAD
[18:04] <alley_cat> i have g_errors with opt in libgstplay/gst-player/totem
[18:05] <thomasvs> BBB: did you see my ffmpegcolorspace checkin ?
[18:05] <thomasvs> BBB: dude, you didn't even *try* it :)
[18:05] <BBB> I didn't :)
[18:05] <BBB> should I?
[18:06] <BBB> I tried gst-register
[18:06] <BBB> and that worked
[18:06] <BBB> I didn't actually run it
[18:06] <bitshifter> BBB: 'conquer the desctop' ? ;)
[18:06] <BBB> alley_cat: yes! finally confirmation
[18:06] <BBB> thank you
[18:06] <BBB> bitshifter: :D
[18:06] <BBB> so who broke opt?
[18:06] <alley_cat> and with some pipelines with alsasink, though i don't remember exactly which ones break
[18:07] <BBB> sinesrc ! alsasink breaks
[18:07] <BBB> everything with a loopbased element in it seems to break
[18:07] <BBB> or well, many things
[18:07] <BBB> didn't try that much yet
[18:07] <alley_cat> actually all pipelines with alsasink are quite broken since alsasink stops working after some seconds here
[18:07] <BBB> hm
[18:07] <BBB> alsasink works fine here
[18:07] <BBB> here being at home
[18:07] <jdahlin> BBB: sinesrc ! alsasink works here too
[18:07] <BBB> interesting
[18:08] <BBB> and totem?
[18:08] <jdahlin> dunno, let me try to compile
[18:08] <BBB> oh, btw, I have one movie that causes a segfault inside libmpeg2
[18:08] <BBB> we might want to look at that after the release
[18:08] <jdahlin> joy!
[18:08] <alley_cat> sinsrc ! alsasink works here
[18:08] <alley_cat> well, sinesrc ! audioscale ! ... ! alsasink
[18:08] <BBB> hm...
[18:11] <thomasvs> BBB: well, gst-register worked
[18:11] <thomasvs> BBB: then trying to inspect it caused av_malloc to be missing
[18:11] <thomasvs> then fixing that, it was inspectable
[18:11] <thomasvs> after that, when trying to actually *use* it a whole bunch of other symbols were missing
[18:11] <thomasvs> after adding those, the colorspace conversion was *black* since you ripped out some init functions that set up some tables :)
[18:11] <thomasvs> after putting that in, everything works fine now :)
[18:12] <thomasvs> is it me, or does ffmpeg's code look a bit ugly ?
[18:13] Action: BBB applauds for thomasvs genious recognition of facts
[18:14] <BBB> and sorry for the synmbols
[18:14] <BBB> I thought they were all in utils.c
[18:14] <thomasvs> heh :) it was fun
[18:14] <thomasvs> BBB: someone might want to look at it again though
[18:14] <BBB> will do
[18:14] <BBB> it's fine for now
[18:14] <thomasvs> looks to me like we can use g_malloc and friends instead of av_malloc
[18:14] <thomasvs> yeah, it's perfect now
[18:14] <thomasvs> it even works :)
[18:14] <BBB> #define av_malloc 
[18:14] <BBB> etc
[18:15] <BBB> I'll work on the MMX parts later
[18:19] <dolphy> if /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H=1 -I../libavcodec  -Wall    -g -O2 -MT matroska.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/matroska.Tpo" \
[18:19] <dolphy>   -c -o matroska.lo `test -f 'matroska.c' || echo './'`matroska.c; \
[18:19] <dolphy> then mv -f ".deps/matroska.Tpo" ".deps/matroska.Plo"; \
[18:19] <dolphy> else rm -f ".deps/matroska.Tpo"; exit 1; \
[18:19] <dolphy> fi
[18:19] <dolphy>  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H=1 -I../libavcodec -Wall -g -O2 -MT matroska.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/matroska.Tpo -c matroska.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/matroska.o
[18:19] <dolphy> matroska.c: In function `ebml_read_float':
[18:19] <dolphy> matroska.c:628: error: `data' undeclared (first use in this function)
[18:19] <dolphy> matroska.c:628: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[18:19] <dolphy> matroska.c:628: error: for each function it appears in.)
[18:19] <dolphy> make[7]: *** [matroska.lo] Error 1
[18:19] <dolphy> ronald
[18:19] <dolphy> BBB: building ffmpeg on ppc
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[18:22] <BBB> dolphy: yes, I patched ffmpeg
[18:22] <BBB> but thomasvs doesn't want to update
[18:22] <BBB> and I don't know how patching works right now
[18:22] <thomasvs> BBB: the matroska stuff is your patch, no ?
[18:22] <BBB> yes
[18:22] <BBB> it's upstream now
[18:22] <thomasvs> so, you can fix that, no ?
[18:22] <BBB> with some fixes
[18:23] <thomasvs> well
[18:23] <thomasvs> put the fixes in our matroska.patch
[18:24] <BBB> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ffmpeg/libavformat/matroska.c.diff?cvsroot=FFMpeg&r2=1.2&r1=1.1&f=u
[18:24] <BBB> that's the patch
[18:24] <thomasvs> that's the complete one, overriding yours, or an additional one ?
[18:24] <BBB> an additional one
[18:24] Action: thomasvs loves how bbb is now an official MPlayer contributor :)
[18:24] <thomasvs> ok, I'll give it a try here
[18:24] <BBB> pff
[18:24] <BBB> :D
[18:24] <BBB> I already was
[18:25] <BBB> their matroska demuxer was ripped from ours some time ago
[18:25] <BBB> and their jpeg optimizations are ripped from mjpegtools, IIRC
[18:25] <BBB> bah
[18:25] <BBB> just edit the matroska.diff patch
[18:25] <BBB> don't add a new one
[18:26] <BBB> the amount of lines is the same :)
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[18:29] <thomasvs> yeah, if it works for julien i'll integrate it
[18:30] <dolphy> ok the patch makes it build
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[18:31] <thomasvs> great
[18:31] Action: thomasvs will integrate it now
[18:33] <jdahlin> BBB, I got the error
[18:34] <dolphy> BBB: your ffmpegrip has the exact same features and optimizations than ffmpegcolorspace ?
[18:34] <dolphy> BBB: or is it a light rip
[18:35] <dolphy> ** ERROR **: internal error: cannot schedule get to loop in multi-loop based group
[18:35] <dolphy> what's that
[18:35] Action: thomasvs likes the energy that is going on
[18:36] <BBB> dolphy: that's opt :)
[18:36] <BBB> dolphy: currently, it's a lightrip
[18:36] <dolphy> jdahlin: http://getcontrol.sourceforge.net/files/gstplay_pipeline.png
[18:36] <BBB> I disabled MMX
[18:36] <BBB> that'd take some more effort
[18:36] <dolphy> ah so your rip is not optimized :)
[18:36] <BBB> jdahlin: ty
[18:37] <BBB> so can someone check which commit broke opt?
[18:37] <BBB> dolphy: no, not yet
[18:37] <dolphy> thomasvs we should keep ffmpegcolorspace as the primary choice
[18:37] <BBB> so use ffcolorspace preferrably
[18:37] <dolphy> and fallback to ronald's one if not present
[18:37] <thomasvs> dolphy: ok - I'll reverse
[18:37] <BBB> I'll optimize this later
[18:37] <BBB> after 0.8.0
[18:37] <jdahlin> BBB, do you know when this worked last time?
[18:37] <BBB> it's fairly quick already
[18:37] <jdahlin> BBB, probably wingos changes
[18:37] <BBB> just not as quick as the optimized one :)
[18:37] <BBB> jdahlin: like a week ago, it worked
[18:37] <BBB> I think it broke 3-4 days ago
[18:37] <BBB> that's when I sent an email
[18:37] <BBB> so check the archives
[18:37] <BBB> ;)
[18:37] <jdahlin> I'll try to revert my change
[18:38] <BBB> and guys, READ YOUR MAIL and you'd have known 3 days ago :)
[18:38] <jdahlin> we don't read mail :)
[18:38] <iain> BBB: I saw that 
[18:38] <iain> BBB: it happens with gst-player too
[18:39] <jdahlin> so, it's not my checkin, I just tried
[18:39] Action: thomasvs is getting itchy for a prerelease
[18:39] <thomasvs> jdahlin: can you check andy's checkin ?
[18:39] <jdahlin> thomasvs: I will
[18:40] <jdahlin> found it
[18:40] <jdahlin> will track down why
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[18:43] <BBB> bye!
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[18:47] <bitshifter> isn't there a limit as to how much memory you can mmap() at a time? multifilesrc just mmaps() the whole file at once ...
[18:48] <thomasvs> bitshifter: it's probable nobody bothered to optimize
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[18:54] <pb_> bitshifter: certainly on a 32-bit machine you will have trouble mapping anything bigger than about 2GB, so it might be a bit reckless to assume that you can always map the whole of a multimedia file.
[18:55] <bitshifter> pb_: I thought the limit was around 32MB in one chunk on linux/x86, but I may well be wrong there
[18:57] <pb_> I don't think there's a hard limit there, but there might be some kind of ulimit thing that defaults to 32MB.
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[18:59] <bitshifter> yes, you're right. defaults to unlimited here. I read the 32MB thing ages ago in some mailing list message, but it doesn't seem to be true in general
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[19:02] <thomasvs> ds-work: time to wake up
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[19:18] <apoc> hi
[19:20] <ChriHJW_log> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72711
[19:20] <ChriHJW_log> BBB = matroska hero
[19:20] <ChriHJW_log> bbl
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[19:23] <apoc> jdahlin: around ?
[19:23] <jdahlin> apoc: yeah
[19:23] Action: thomasvs sees a statue for BBB being erected
[19:23] <apoc> jdahlin: I can't play a wma file with opt scheduler
[19:24] <apoc> jdahlin: it plays fine with basicomega or basigthread
[19:24] <apoc> jdahlin: ** ERROR **: file gstoptimalscheduler.c: line 723 (destroy_group): assertion failed: (group->group_links == NULL)
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[19:27] <jdahlin> apoc: I have troubles trying to get it to play mpeg files right now, let alone wma :/
[19:28] <Uraeus> helo
[19:28] <apoc> yo Uraeus
[19:41] <thomasvs> Uraeus: BBB is officially a god now
[19:41] <thomasvs> <ChriHJW_log> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72711
[19:41] <thomasvs> <ChriHJW_log> BBB = matroska hero
[19:41] <thomasvs> <ChriHJW_log> bbl
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[19:47] <ChriHJW_log> <thomasvs> Uraeus: BBB is officially a god now   <---- :) ..... hero =! god .... lol
[19:47] <Uraeus> what is more godlike than a hero? :)
[19:52] <dilinger> neat, gst ruby bindings
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[19:56] <LeRoutier> hello
[19:56] <LeRoutier> is the lrintf in gst-plugins fixed ?
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[19:57] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: is what in the what whatted ?
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[20:01] <LeRoutier> thomasvs, in gst-plugins, 20 minutes ago, there was a misspelled lprintf which made my compilation fail
[20:01] <thomasvs> more info
[20:01] <thomasvs> lrintf exists btw
[20:02] <LeRoutier> argh, ok, so there is another problem, wait, gathering requested info
[20:03] <thomasvs> look ! buildbot is telling us to release the damn thing !
[20:04] <LeRoutier> should be in ffmpegcolorspace plug-in, i launched a rebuild, in progress
[20:05] <thomasvs> yeah, probably there
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[20:17] <ds-work> next monday?
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[20:17] <dilinger> --- Topic for #gstreamer set by thomasvs at Tue Mar  9 14:06:12
[20:18] <thomasvs> ds-work: no, today/tomorrow-ish
[20:18] <thomasvs> ds-work: I thought the whole world agreed mixing tabs and spaces in source was bad
[20:18] <thomasvs> ds-work: do we really want that ?
[20:18] <ds-work> thomasvs: no, but I can't figure out how to get indent not to do that
[20:19] <ds-work> aside from a post-sed s/\t/        /g
[20:19] <thomasvs> ds-work: how about -nut ?
[20:19] <ds-work> ah, that looks good
[20:20] <ds-work> wonder how I missed that
[20:20] <thomasvs> heh :)
[20:20] <thomasvs> so I can run that ?
[20:20] <ds-work> there's only about a million options
[20:20] <sri> howdy
[20:20] <ds-work> yes, please
[20:20] <thomasvs> I only noticed by accident
[20:20] <thomasvs> indent is on crack in general
[20:20] <thomasvs> but it's only on crack because ten million people have ten million different styles
[20:20] <thomasvs> all varying over time :)
[20:21] <ds-work> not being able to teach it about G_BEGIN_DECLS rather sucks
[20:21] <thomasvs> I think I saw something to do that
[20:21] <thomasvs> you could tell it some things were macros and not touch it
[20:21] <thomasvs> I'll look it up first thing postrelease
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[20:24] <ds-work> well, you can always sed s,G_BEGIN_DECLS,//&,
[20:24] <ds-work> "Just in Time"?
[20:24] <thomasvs> I think we already did that once
[20:24] <thomasvs> as a name I mean
[20:24] <thomasvs> plus, we need two names
[20:24] <teuf> "No clue"
[20:25] <ds-work> "Paper bags #12 & #35"
[20:26] <wheels> ds-work: "Just In GTime"?  :-)  
[20:26] <teuf> what is the ffmpeg colorspace element name ?
[20:26] <thomasvs> wheels: not if we want to have kde buy in :)
[20:26] <thomasvs> teuf: depends on which source you're getting it from
[20:26] <ds-work> wheels: that would be non-KDE-friendly :)
[20:26] <teuf> thomasvs: gst-ffmpeg in cvs
[20:27] <thomasvs> teuf: then it's ffcolorspace
[20:27] <wheels> ds-work: Bah, who cares about KDE?  ;-)
[20:27] <thomasvs> wheels: what's your take on amarok ?
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[20:32] <thomasvs> ok, tabs/spaces done in core and plugins
[20:33] <thomasvs> later guys
[20:34] <Company> thomasvs, ds-work: what do we do with #126999 and 136683 ?
[20:35] <thomasvs> have to go home, will check later
[20:36] Action: ds-work points at thomasvs
[20:36] <thomasvs> fwiw, I don't think it's an issue, that bug.
[20:36] <thomasvs> otoh, what is still in plugin-libs that's not already in the others ?
[20:36] <thomasvs> I'll look at it later tonight
[20:42] <Company> yeah, what do we need gstreamer-libs for
[20:42] <Company> that's an even better question ;)
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[20:48] <LeRoutier> thomas told me mmx had been disabled in gst-ffmpeg to avoid the asm compilation problem but it seems it was not disabled at all
[20:48] <ds-work> it's been fixed
[20:50] <ds-work> LeRoutier: you're not updated, apparently
[20:50] <Company> what would we do without ds - ship no asm apparently
[20:50] <ds-work> Company: we have very little asm left
[20:51] <LeRoutier> rebuilding everything from scratch to be sure
[20:51] <Company> ds-work: guess why ;)
[20:51] <ds-work> Company: in 0.9, we can remove the GstAtomic stuff, and maybe cothreads, and have no asm
[20:52] Action: ds-work notes that he had an entire weekend to check in some code, and forgot
[20:52] <Company> how do you want to do cothreads without cothreads?
[20:52] <ds-work> GThreads
[20:52] <ds-work> cothreads are what make gdb go all wonky much of the time
[20:53] <ds-work> I'm starting to find the concept disgusting
[20:53] <ds-work> especially now that threads are really cheap on Linux
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[20:54] <ds-work> I'd like gstreamer to move in a direction that downplays the use of too many contexts simultaneously
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[21:04] <teuf> cool, I can play divx's with totem+gstreamer, great work guys ;)
[21:06] <ds-work> news.google.com has these two headlines juxtaposed: "Election Outcome Will Not Affect Spain's Commitment to Fight Terrorism, says Powell" and "New Spanish Prime Minister to remove troops from Iraq"
[21:08] <teuf> ds-work: whether iraq and terrorism are related is a matter of opinion if you ask me...
[21:08] <ds-work> of course, but in Powell's mind they are
[21:09] <ds-work> I actually find it very hard to believe that an al Queda related organization would sympathize with Iraq, a secular country
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[22:06] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[22:56] <Uraeus> evenin
[22:56] <apoc> re Uraeus
[23:00] <Uraeus> time for me to try and update my gst tech stack to see what works and what doesn't :)
[23:01] Nick change: kh_zZz -> khalek
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[23:07] <LeRoutier> re
[23:08] <LeRoutier> ds-work, i checked, i have a clean and up to date CVS tree, so perhaps my build system is badly broken (for the gst-ffmpeg problem)
[23:09] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: what bug ?
[23:09] <LeRoutier> the asm compilation problem on mmx
[23:09] <LeRoutier> i still have it with current CVS HEAD. it shouldn't be the case as you told me mmx was disabled
[23:09] <ds-work> LeRoutier: do a fresh checkout
[23:10] <LeRoutier> ok, removing my local tree completly
[23:10] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: yeah, get a clean gst-ffmpeg checkout
[23:10] <thomasvs> ds-work: so, any outstanding issues ?
[23:10] <thomasvs> ds-work: should I prerelease ?
[23:10] Action: thomasvs wants to finish off
[23:10] <ds-work> thomasvs: btw, I have no opinion on the header indentation
[23:10] <ds-work> thomasvs: dunno, I haven't been paying attention for a few days
[23:11] <thomasvs> ds-work: I've noticed :)
[23:11] <LeRoutier> could you apply my small speex detection patch ?
[23:11] <thomasvs> I am undecided about headers too
[23:11] <thomasvs> well, I'd prefer them done, but ... I see the issues
[23:11] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: where is it at ?
[23:11] <dolphy> thomasvs: i commited a first draft of gst_play_get_framerate
[23:11] <thomasvs> dolphy: does it work ?
[23:11] <ds-work> my feeling is, do what we do now, with minor improvements (whatever that means)
[23:11] <LeRoutier> thomas : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135921
[23:12] <dolphy> thomasvs: haven't tried yet :)
[23:12] <thomasvs> ds-work: yeah, agreed
[23:12] <thomasvs> dolphy: heh :) but you're sure the API function itself is correct ?
[23:13] <dolphy> thomasvs: ??
[23:14] <thomasvs> dolphy: well, you said first draft.  I assume that means "I'm not going to change the function name or prototype anymore"
[23:14] <dolphy> thomasvs: yeah i won't change it
[23:14] <thomasvs> ds-work: do you care if I make a second .pc file gstreamer-plugins with the same content as that -libs and keep both around for now until we phase the latter out ?
[23:15] <dolphy> thomasvs: i just need to make sure it does what i want correctly
[23:15] <ds-work> thomasvs: seems a bit silly, but ok
[23:15] <thomasvs> ds-work: it's kind of late-ish to remove those devel files, but we can do it later on
[23:15] <thomasvs> Still not sure why people want to change the name though
[23:16] <TheCompany> thomasvs: where would you expect "gstreamer-libs.pc" ?
[23:16] Nick change: TheCompany -> Company
[23:16] <LeRoutier> personnaly, from the name, it's a core thing, not plugin related
[23:16] <Company> yeah
[23:16] <Company> that's why people always get confused
[23:17] <thomasvs> people should read the docs :) not trust their intuition
[23:17] <thomasvs> anyway, gstreamer-plugins.pc ?
[23:17] <thomasvs> (which is also wrong, because all the others are also sort of pluginish libs)
[23:18] <thomasvs> you know, I really wonder what rhythmbox uses it for
[23:18] <thomasvs> I'm pretty sure it doesn't link to audio
[23:20] <Company> nobody removed it i guess
[23:20] <Company> i'lll file bugs against projects using it
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[23:28] <Company> i'd name it gstreamer-plugins-libs.pc btw
[23:28] <thomasvs> argh
[23:28] <thomasvs> I jsut commited everything
[23:29] <thomasvs> i'm putting in 136683, is that ok for everyone ?
[23:30] <Company> fine with me
[23:30] <Company> do the static structs need/have padding btw?
[23:30] <Company> GstStaicCaps?
[23:31] <ds-work> hmmm, no.  they should
[23:32] <thomasvs> ds-work: I just add the same one there then ?
[23:32] <thomasvs> are there more
[23:32] <thomasvs> ?
[23:33] <ds-work> probably :)
[23:33] <thomasvs> yikes
[23:33] <thomasvs> stop scaring me at this point
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[23:33] <ds-work> we can live without it
[23:33] <ds-work> the world does not end with 0.8.0
[23:33] <thomasvs> you sure ? you're going to cry later on
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[23:38] <Company> if there's something that makes us cry, we'll do a 0.10 with gnome 2.8
[23:38] <Company> gnight
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[23:43] <taaz> thomasvs: any chance you could add a makefile rule somewhere to address 136963?
[23:44] <taaz> no big deal i guess...
[23:47] <thomasvs> yeah, someting for later
[23:47] <thomasvs> it annoys me too
[23:47] <thomasvs> though, shouldn't be ending up in the dist tarball
[23:47] <LeRoutier> is the gconf schema versionning problem sorted or is this a gconf 2.5.9x bug ?
[23:48] <LeRoutier> i never saw it with my gconf 2.4 + gstreamer 0.7.6/0.8
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[23:51] <taaz> i think some of the verbose cvs diff emails are messed up.
[23:51] <taaz> diffs don't always make sense or are not quite accurate
[23:51] <LeRoutier> well, i now have rebuild all gstreamer after removing local CVS tree to make clean checkout and unfortunatly, i still have the gst-ffmpeg asm compilation error. i'm doomed
[23:52] <crispin> hmm, I'm assuming that gstreamer shouldn't cause 100% cpu usage while playing an mp3 :-)
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[00:00] <LeRoutier> gstreamer padding give me troubles :  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/libxml2 -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I.. -Wall -Werror -DGST_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -g -I../libs -I../include -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_gstreamer -DGST_MAJORMINOR=\"0.8\" -O2 -MT libgstreamer_0.8_la-gsttag.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libgstreamer_0.8_la-gsttag.Tpo 
[00:00] --- Tue Mar 16 2004
[00:00] <LeRoutier> -c gsttag.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libgstreamer_0.8_la-gsttag.o
[00:00] <LeRoutier> In file included from gsttag.h:26,
[00:00] <LeRoutier>                  from gsttag.c:28:
[00:00] <LeRoutier> ../gst/gststructure.h:45: error: `GST_PADDING' undeclared here (not in a function)
[00:01] <thomasvs> doh
[00:01] <thomasvs> did I really forget to test ?
[00:01] <thomasvs> hang on a sec
[00:01] <LeRoutier> no prob
[00:01] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: do cat CVS/Root in gst-ffmpeg
[00:02] <thomasvs> and CVS/Repository
[00:02] <LeRoutier> :pserver:[email protected]:/cvs/gstreamer & gst-ffmpeg
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[00:03] <LeRoutier> not the good ones ? 
[00:03] <thomasvs> no, look good
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[00:07] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: can you attach the COMPLETE log of ./autoregen.sh; make clean; make > out 2>&1 ?
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[00:08] <LeRoutier> yep, doing it asap
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[00:30] Action: wheels had  forgotten how much he loved the SourceForge List Lag (tm)
[00:32] <thaytoo> it's a feedback mechanism designed to keep the list traffic from exploding ;)
[00:33] <wheels> Yeah, the gst list is surprisingly high-traffic.
[00:33] <ds-work> I can't tell, as it's merged with gst-cvs and gst-daily
[00:34] <ds-work> I should start reading ChangeLog instead of gst-cvs
[00:34] <thomasvs> yeah, its a lot nicer
[00:37] Action: wheels hands ds-work mail filters.  ;-)
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[00:38] <wheels> GNOME has those now, right?  :-)
[00:39] <thaytoo> wheels: yeah, they're over there behind the *fwap* ;)
[00:39] <thomasvs> thaytoo: harder !
[00:39] <thomasvs> *thwack*
[00:39] Action: wheels screams rape and runs.
[00:40] <thomasvs> them nongnomers'all sissies
[00:40] <wheels> thomasvs: I'd be careful talking that way 'round a Texan.
[00:40] <wheels> thomasvs: I'll don't want to have to hog-tie you the next time I run into you.  :-)
[00:41] <thomasvs> yikes :)
[00:41] <thomasvs> you're actually from texas ?
[00:42] <wheels> thomasvs: indeed :-)
[00:43] Action: wheels admits that he isn't sure how one would go about hog-tying, but I'm sure that there's some untapped instinct that would take over given appropriate implements and opportunity.
[00:45] <thomasvs> I actually know no one else from texas
[00:45] <thomasvs> I only know texan bands
[00:45] <thomasvs> and even then, not a lot
[00:45] <wheels> Well, Janis Joplin is from my home town -- a lot of folks know her...  :-)
[00:47] <thomasvs> that's that girl writing songs about wanting to get away from home towns, right ? :)
[00:49] <iain> thomasvs: lewing is from texas
[00:50] <iain> as for good bands from texas...and you will know us by the trail of dead and explosions in the sky
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[00:50] <iain> and Mogwai's guitarist's guitar has a sticker that says "Don't fuck with Texas" on it :)
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[00:51] <thomasvs> iain: and lift to experience, same label as eits
[00:51] <wheels> Well, my only real Texas music is Lyle Lovett -- which I didn't grow to like until I had left...
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[00:51] <thomasvs> iain: those three were the only ones I knew about though
[00:52] <iain> thomasvs: hmmm...I can think of lots of bad bands though :)
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[00:53] <thomasvs> is trail of dead doing a new album btw ?
[00:53] Action: thomasvs hasn't checked in a loooong time
[00:54] <iain> dunno
[00:54] <iain> the badge I stole from their drummer is sitting beside my keyboard :)
[00:54] <thomasvs> woah
[00:54] <thomasvs> I'd never dare steal stuff from their drummer
[00:54] <iain> I've had it almost 4 years now and haven't lost it
[00:54] <thomasvs> he's crazy
[00:54] <iain> I know :)
[00:54] <thomasvs> uploading is slooow here in spain
[00:55] <iain> before the gig, he came over and sat with us and said "Keep me a seat for after the gig"
[00:55] <thomasvs> I installed this thingy called amule that is supposed to speed up my uploads by a factor of ten
[00:55] <thomasvs> but it's not really working
[00:55] <wheels> Well, there's a lot of great stuff coming out of Austin -- it's probably the best music city in the US.  (With Nashville and New York being the other real notables.)
[00:55] <iain> and at the end of the gig he crowd surfed over to us and said "I always like to keep a seat to hide in until the crowds die down"
[00:55] <iain> very nice but insane guy
[00:55] <LeRoutier> thomasvs, edonkey/overnet/kademlia clients for linux aren't legion and aren't that good
[00:56] Action: wheels had a happy day on Saturday though -- met my favorite bassist.  :-)
[00:57] <thomasvs> wheels: kim deal ?
[00:57] <wheels> thomasvs: Michael Manring
[00:57] Action: wheels was once a bass teacher in another life...
[00:58] <wheels> He even has a really cool URL -- www.manthing.com  :-)
[00:58] <bitshifter> thomasvs: speed up you uploads? do you ever have problems maxing out your upload?
[00:58] <iain> mmmm kim deal
[00:59] <thomasvs> wheels: you have the wrong favourite bass player, by far :)
[00:59] <thomasvs> wheels: I mean, yours is a guy
[00:59] <iain> kim deal and kim gordon could fight it out for my favourite bass player really
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[01:00] <wheels> thomasvs: Well, he's really one of my favorite musicians in general -- he just happens to also play bass.  :-)
[01:00] <wheels> (Which is what I like -- it's not just bass wankery, but really great music...)
[01:00] <thomasvs> yeah
[01:01] <iain> I don't think either kim's could count as bass wankery...
[01:01] <iain> I got to hear the darkness cover of street spirit tonight
[01:01] <iain> I wanted to hurt people
[01:01] <thomasvs> iain: they do the bass, we do the wanking
[01:01] <iain> not together I hope
[01:01] <iain> that would just be wrong
[01:02] <mathrick> thomasvs: if you find good edonkey client for linux, report back ;) But so far, I didn't find good one
[01:02] <thomasvs> iain: fine, I'll have them both then :)
[01:02] <wheels> Well, Manring can wank it up, but like he's one of the few people that I know of that I was able to talk about serial composition, non-western musical systems and electric bass technique.  :-)
[01:02] <iain> thomasvs: no no, I meant we don't do the wanking together ;p
[01:03] <iain> wheels: I'd love to talk about that stuff to kim deal...
[01:03] <iain> although she must be pushing late 30s now...
[01:03] <wheels> I was surprised -- I'd guess Manring is probably 40-ish now.  I hadn't guessed he was that old...
[01:03] Action: wheels actually went to Paris for the concert...
[01:04] <thomasvs> iain: she still looks good, even though she looks, like, a woman
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[01:04] <thomasvs> iain: she never looked modelly in the first place, so I'm guessing she'll still look good when she's sixty
[01:05] <iain> thomasvs: yeah, I'm sure...I once fancied a girl who said someone had come up to her in a party and said "You look like Kim Deal"
[01:05] <iain> but at that time I had no idea who Kim Deal was, so I just nodded
[01:05] <iain> then when I finally got Bossanova I realised that she did look exactly like the photo in it
[01:06] Action: wheels just realized == old Breeders bassist.
[01:06] <iain> yes
[01:06] <thomasvs> old breeders ?
[01:06] <thomasvs> heh :)
[01:06] <iain> still is the breeders bassist no?
[01:06] <thomasvs> well
[01:07] <thomasvs> old pixies bassist, current breeders guitarist
[01:07] <wheels> ah
[01:07] <iain> oh
[01:07] <iain> and she was in the breeders before the pixies too
[01:07] <iain> with her twin sister!
[01:07] <wheels> Well, I remember liking the Breeders, but it's been a while.  Good stuff, but wouldn't make it anywhere near the top of my list...
[01:07] Action: iain was reading a pixies history site today :)
[01:08] <iain> wheels: well, no, it was more the fact that she's quite cute
[01:08] <iain> (and kim gordon is the sonic youth bassist)
[01:08] <wheels> iain: Yeah, I love Sonic Youth, but none of the players individually would make it particularly high on my list.
[01:09] <iain> wheels: for "innovative" noise making I think they would
[01:09] <iain> wheels: but not for playing ability
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[01:10] <wheels> iain: Well, it's just great music.
[01:10] <wheels> iain: But people that I would put at the top of my "players" lists are folks that I would say are great musicians independant of their instrument and also happen to be amazing at their instrument of choice...
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[01:11] Topic changed on #gstreamer by [email protected]: Test prereleases - http://freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/src/gstreamer/pre/gstreamer-0.7.6.2.tar.bz2 and http://freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/src/gst-plugins/pre/gst-plugins-0.7.6.2.tar.bz2 - Let's aim for 0.8.0 tomorrow tuesday by the latest
[01:12] <iain> wheels: oh I agree...I used to have a "super band" of all the people I thought were best, but I forget who was bassist in it
[01:13] <iain> I can remember every other member... except bass
[01:13] Action: iain tries really hard
[01:14] <iain> ah well, not important
[01:14] <wheels> iain: Well, really on bass I haven't heard anybody that's on Manring's level (and I've really listened to a lot of great bassists).  I rarely say such, but he's just on his own level.
[01:15] <iain> wheels: I guess being a bass teacher would know more of them than I do
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[01:17] <iain> I'm still trying to find people to start a band with :/
[01:17] <wheels> iain: Yeah, well, and actually I've actually been lucky enough to have met him and a couple other of the guys that are near the top.  There are others pretty close to his level technically, but guys like i.e. John Patatucci or Wictor Wooten just don't come close to his level as someone that has a deep understanding of music...
[01:17] Action: wheels notes that it was all downhill for him after the demise of "Dr. Binoculous and the Rainbow Cats".  :-)
[01:18] <iain> hmmmm
[01:19] <wheels> (my last "real" band -- most of the stuff I've played in the last couple of years has just been thrown together gigs...)
[01:20] <iain> I just need someone to jam with, I'm not really getting any better by playing on my own in my room
[01:24] Action: thomasvs tries not to look at the guitar in the corner
[01:24] Action: wheels kind of educated himself out of being able to easily find people he wanted to play with after leaving Uni.  :-)
[01:25] Action: ds-work is feeling the urge lately to buy another guitar
[01:25] Action: wheels has 4  :-)
[01:25] <wheels> err, 5
[01:28] <dilinger> wheels: got ya beat by 1.  my roommate has the same number, which looks really impressive when people come over ;)
[01:29] <wheels> dilinger: Yeah, in Uni at one point my apartment (with 3 roommates) was up to 19 instruments.  :-)
[01:29] <thaytoo> anyone know how to debug a gnome-panel applet?
[01:30] <thomasvs> thaytoo: remove it from the panel; start the binary from gdb; add it to the panel
[01:30] <thomasvs> it should instantiate an applet from your started binary
[01:30] <thomasvs> night guys
[01:30] Nick change: thomasvs -> thomasvz
[01:31] <LeRoutier> bye thomasvz
[01:31] <thaytoo> thomasvz: aha
[01:31] <thaytoo> ta
[01:32] <iain> I've got 4 guitars but one is in south africa :)
[01:32] <iain> the only person I know who plays guitar hates the idea of being in a band and never has time for jamming :/
[01:33] Action: ds-work needs to retrieve his marimba from a former housemate
[01:34] <ds-work> we should all get together and play :)
[01:34] <iain> yey
[01:35] <iain> my house, thursday night sound good?
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[01:36] <ds-work> uh, sure
[01:36] <LeRoutier> going to bed too, good night ppl
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[01:36] <ds-work> I don't think the internet is fast enough for conference music playing
[01:38] <iain> you've never used resrocket?
[01:38] <wheels> ds-work: there are a few of us planning on bringing instruments to the next KDE meeting.  :-)
[01:39] <iain> aww resrocket is dead :(
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[01:41] <mathrick> nite
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[01:45] Action: iain wonders if gstreamer could be used for a resrocket clone using real samples now rather than midi
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[02:22] <BBB> damn
[02:22] <BBB> ds-work: da?
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[02:31] <BBB> thomasvz: where is the gst-ffmpeg release?
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[02:33] <sarahbot> tim_, you have 1 message.
[02:33] <sarahbot> tim_, soegaard says: read: <http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-26.html#%_sec_4.1>
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